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Alysa Liu, who just won the figure skating gold medal, was an IVF baby, whose biological mother is a white egg donor. Her Chinese-American father, Junguo (Arthur) Liu, probably screened donors very carefully. (www.mensjournal.com)
posted 121 days ago by SophiesBoyfriend 121 days ago by SophiesBoyfriend +40 / -0
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– CatoTheElder 27 points 121 days ago +27 / -0

If you do not engage in eugenics, then your decedents will lose to those who do.

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– deleted 13 points 121 days ago +13 / -0
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– TallestSkil 9 points 121 days ago +9 / -0

in the West it seems to be much more quite, happening behind the scenes.

Translation: “Only jews are doing it, desperately trying to fix their innate genetic damnation by God, and whites are forbidden from doing it because a pile of shoes exists in Poland.”

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– CatoTheElder 9 points 121 days ago +9 / -0

It isn't happening in the West. Too many Chrisitans freak out every time someone talks about making genemodded babies, or even something as simple as making sure the baby isn't predisposed to crippling genetic diseases.

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– DefinitelyNotIGN 8 points 121 days ago +8 / -0

Which is weird, considering one of the holy texts is basically just geneology and its importance.

Who begat whom who begat whom who begat whom, etc etc.

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– CatoTheElder 18 points 121 days ago +18 / -0

Infanticide of deformed or retarded babies was the norm for all of the ancient world. It is a luxury belief to care for and allow retards to breed.

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– RaisingPhoenix 6 points 121 days ago +6 / -0

And extra weird because if God didn't want us to have this ability, he would simply make the ability impossible.

I genuinely don't understand the fear of "designer babies" barring hedonistic or cultural issues that may arise from humanities stupidity.

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– Belenus 15 points 121 days ago +15 / -0

Just because a sharp corner exists doesn't mean God wants you to walk into it.

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– Sneak_King 7 points 121 days ago +7 / -0

If you don't understand the fear of human stupidity in trying to guide infinitely complex processes, I invite you to study literally any episode of human history.

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– 8BitArchitect 5 points 120 days ago +5 / -0

"If God didn't want [x] he'd just make it impossible"

Single-digit IQ take.

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– Maskurbator 3 points 121 days ago +3 / -0

By that (lack of) logic, God wants people to rape kids.

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– TCDforver 1 point 121 days ago +1 / -0

Being outcompeted by everyone else?

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– SarcasticRidley 3 points 121 days ago +3 / -0

Until we started importing the entire third world, the west was outcompeting everyone else.

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– TCDforver 5 points 121 days ago +5 / -0

Fuck screening, it will just be used as a means of killing white babies for arbitrary reasons, I don't trust doctors. I'd prefer waiting for it to be born so it can be physically examined and then its survival can be decided

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– Maskurbator 2 points 121 days ago +2 / -0

I worry you are correct.

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– deleted 4 points 121 days ago +4 / -0
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– Maskurbator 2 points 121 days ago +2 / -0

The first step in eugenics is abortion, and half of gen Z fell victim to it.

The same people who scream bloody murder over genocide March for the right to kill an insane number of babies.

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– theaustrianpainter 1 point 121 days ago +1 / -0

There isnt much they can do. Most are slaves to Epstein confidants The same Christians that sit by while their daughters whore themselves on the streets and abortion is available at middle schools.

I think once the technology is properly patented it will come to market. Its a billion dollar industry in the making.

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– SocraticMethod1 8 points 121 days ago +8 / -0

The issue with everything is guard rails as we don't want to cause a mutation by fucking with our genetics too much.

I DO NOT want to hear 'Edward...' in reality anytime soon..

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– undecidedmask2 9 points 121 days ago +9 / -0

Someone will screw up genetics badly and we will all suffer for it.

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– kalerg_plan 5 points 120 days ago +5 / -0

Like a globally administered drug promising to immunize against a disease and changes DNA?

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– dzonatan 8 points 121 days ago +8 / -0

If we're going down this road then it better end up like Gundam Seed.

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– ernsithe 4 points 121 days ago +4 / -0

George Glenn did nothing wrong.

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– dzonatan 1 point 120 days ago +1 / -0

Did he ever?

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– 8theBritish 1 point 121 days ago +1 / -0

Not the worst gundam timeline to end up in.

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– voidposter 2 points 121 days ago +2 / -0

Don't fuck retarded degenerates. Got it.

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– 83671R18 1 point 120 days ago +1 / -0

What were retarded degenerates doing to White children in Britain?

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– AgilePickle1123 2 points 121 days ago +2 / -0

Well luckily my genes are already far superior anyways. Look what they have to do to replicate the success of the white person

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– The_Shadow_of_Intent 15 points 121 days ago +15 / -0

I will disagree with a lot of people here that this is a sign of the times toward IVF eugenics, for a few reasons.

First, IVF is an high risk, expensive procedure and a viable embryo is far from guaranteed, even with the multiple shots allowed with IVF. For that reason it's a backup option for most people.

Second, IVF families are a radical break from the traditional family structure and mostly represent transient, highly ideological individuals with few ties to any orthodoxy. It's no accident that both Alysa and Eileen Gu come from single parents (a single dad and a single mom, respectively), both Chinese, both immigrants to the US. The kids are unlikely to continue an IVF dynasty due to completely different formative experiences and the inherent unpredictability of their life direction.

Third, China faces a severe fertility crisis with a replacement rate below Japan and more comparable to Korea, and more neurotic obsession over perfect children is going to hurt, not help that.

All that being said: eugenics in the traditional sense of picking generally desirable spouses and weeding undesirable ones out of the gene pool is a good thing, and Alysa is adorable. Her dad did a good job picking the donor.

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– ernsithe 8 points 121 days ago +8 / -0

Second, IVF families are a radical break from the traditional family structure

To be pedantic, this isn't technically true. "IVF" describes the technique, not who the sources of genetic material. A married couple doing IVF, screening out the embryos who have the markers for grandpa's heart condition, and implanting it into the wife is still IVF. It would also still be a standard nuclear family.

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– Belenus 7 points 121 days ago +7 / -0

Pretty much. I have an aunt who had problems conceiving and used IVF. Her and her husband have 4 children now.

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– deleted 4 points 121 days ago +4 / -0
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– The_Shadow_of_Intent 3 points 121 days ago +3 / -0

You're right, but the fact that you can screen and select embryos is a significant departure from traditional family formation. If IVF ever became mainstream (which is prevented due to the success rate, but I digress) then the effects would be similar to abortion, except at a larger scale, and there probably would be knock-on social consequences that we couldn't predict.

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– deleted 6 points 121 days ago +6 / -0
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– TCDforver 4 points 121 days ago +4 / -0

I agree, I want nothing but the worst for these sluts. Nothing bit vile evil whores getting fucked by every chad they can find and getting overpaid for doing it.

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– deleted 3 points 121 days ago +3 / -0
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– TallestSkil 15 points 121 days ago +15 / -0

I mean, we have evidence that multiple millions of chinks are doing this. It’s not something anyone cares about, so it won’t be stopped.

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– deleted 10 points 121 days ago +10 / -0
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– RoulerBleu 6 points 121 days ago +6 / -0

Correct.

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– forgetterofpassword 3 points 121 days ago +3 / -0

I dont see an issue with ivf tbh, they want certain genes so they choose them, the only issue would be organ transplants but hapas are pretty common these days

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– deleted 5 points 121 days ago +5 / -0
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– forgetterofpassword 8 points 121 days ago +8 / -0

ivf is a tool

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– Unknownsailor 8 points 121 days ago +8 / -0

The West has a great, big, gigantic 3rd rail which constrains all thought on this subject: Nazi Germany. They were eugenicists who put less desirable peoples into the camps, and because of that all thought vis a vis genetic selection for desirable traits is highly charged. Science is having a very hard time trying to investigate the genetic links to intelligence because of the stink of eugenics.

China does not have this emotional baggage, of course, so they do it as a matter of course.

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– Belenus 5 points 118 days ago +5 / -0

Fun fact, Germany got the idea from the USA around the turn of the century when those with undesirable traits and conditions were being sterilised. The Germans being Germans increased efficiency.

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– 83671R18 3 points 121 days ago +3 / -0

They're just trying to fix the immense genetic damage inflicted upon them by decades of communist rule.

They know what waits if they fail. Complete population collapse.

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– Unknownsailor 2 points 120 days ago +2 / -0

I think that is coming to China no matter what. I don't trust any data China releases, but I do see videos of people who go over there, and places that used to be crowded are now deserted.

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– dagthegnome 8 points 121 days ago +8 / -0

Her father was one of the organizers of the Tiananmen square protests who fled to the US because the CCP wanted to kill him. He seems based enough to me.

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– TCDforver 1 point 121 days ago +1 / -0

Seems like a retarded terrorist who never should have been allowed to come here. if it was up to me I'd accept his plea to come here, have him arrested and send his ass straight back to china in chains so they can do with him as they please.

He is more responsible for the deaths there than anyone in the CCP as he was the spark that set it all off.

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– dagthegnome 3 points 121 days ago +3 / -0

User was paid 50 cents for this comment.

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– TCDforver 1 point 121 days ago +1 / -0

I wish. I'm just sick of people giving wealthy shit stirrers a pass because they happened to stir shit somewhere else. At most they should be treated as a useful idiot and killed like a useful idiot, they should NOT be allowed here where they will likely continue their shit stirring behavior and undermine the nation.

If someone is causing problems in his home country why do you think he wouldn't cause even more problems in a nation he has no ties to? His type should never be trusted.

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– onetimeuser 3 points 120 days ago +3 / -0

What do we do about Indians or Jews - aka wealthy generational shit stirrers?

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– TCDforver 1 point 120 days ago +1 / -0

what do you think?

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– onetimeuser 4 points 120 days ago +4 / -0

ignore them. ignore what they offer and build better alternatives. in the physical space and in the digital space. move to smaller towns and cities that aren't completely ruined by them yet.

much like what many are doing right now across the world.

i know that direct hostility against them isn't the way because they've weaponised victimhood and still have huge influence on a lot of minds. instead, i'm a believer that the more they push the more likely they'll begin to cannabalize each other socially and politically. much how like they are doing to the West. they'll eventually grow in hubris and turn on each other once there's no "enemies" of theirs to harm. and i'm happy to be far away from all that and be thriving when that happens.

as a very specific and isolated example: look at what is happening at Microsoft. Slowly being populated by Indian executives, pushing AI. their software is becoming enshittified and expensive. many people are turning to Linux.

if that's still not enough, then this world is done and all the jews and indians and degenerates can enjoy living on Hell on Earth.

there. i answered my own question to you first. now you answer my question.

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– deleted 4 points 121 days ago +4 / -0
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– TCDforver 1 point 121 days ago +1 / -0

Meh, I'd let my daughter go out and be an olympic whore as long as I got a cut of her pay.

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– deleted 1 point 121 days ago +1 / -0
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– throwawayaccount2037 6 points 120 days ago +6 / -0

She has gum piercings; the new septum ring.

She's already a blown out whore.

Donor screenings proved pointless in the long run.

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– theaustrianpainter 3 points 121 days ago +3 / -0

This is literally Gattaca

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