David seems to be under the impression that the markets haven’t already been distorted by globalization to the point where we can’t have homogenous communities that are self-sufficient.
These minimum wage jobs aren’t something to aspire to, but they serve a purpose and should at least be treated as a necessary part of a successful, capitalistic society rather than something to scorn.
Malicious actors like Zohran will never fix this problem, because their entire platform is based around importing third-world filth that suppress wages and using the taxpayer money to fix a problem that was caused by globalization.
You made my point. While it’s true that those types of jobs traditionally aren’t supposed to be jobs to make a living off of but markets have been distorted. They will not do what it actually takes like going after Fed or ending fractional reserve banking and that’s just the start. Importing millions upon millions definitely doesn’t help
If you aren’t making what you need to make you are going to have to either look for a new job or get something in the side. It sucks but if I am not making enough then it’s ultimately on me to do something. Some jobs simply aren’t designed to support my current life. When I washed dishes at a restaurant as a teenager I wasn’t expecting that salary to sustain me into adulthood
That's not what I was getting at. A full-time job should be able to enable you to get by without having to count every single penny you spend. If it doesn't it's either because your employer pays you a slave wage or what is usually the case the cost of living is far too high for which the government is to be blamed.
Work has to be done and it should be properly rewarded no matter what work it is. A cashier does a vital job for society. So does the guy who cleans the street. And people who work in the food industry. They need to be paid a living wage. Not everyone can work in high-paying IT jobs developing the next useless mobile app.
Hey, I’m a firm believer that everyone’s job is important. I agree the cost of living is too high but unfortunately don’t think most people are willing to do what it takes to do something about it along with inflation, fiat currency, etc. I completely agree you should be able to work a full time job and not have to work others. Granted some jobs are designed to be entry level but ideally working hard at your job should give you raises and promotion opportunities. No arguments from me about cost of living. My rent keeps going up and up
Ok so does that mean my highly skilled job that took me years to master is worth the same as a plug and play cashier job?
So you want to only be able to get by without having to count every penny after doing all that? You might wanna read my post again.
Why should someone who puts in minimal effort be rewarded the same as someone who has actually worked to better themselves?
Read my post again.
But calling working a full-time job minimal effort is quite arrogant. Let's use garbage men as an example. It's not a highly skilled job. It's pretty straight forward. But it is one of the most important jobs in modern society. You can't do without them.
That's a fair point... But a lot of it is going to depend on if it's worth it.
Like... It makes sense for a full-time position to include more responsibility than cashier/drink making.
Or it's worth it if you have a store with HIGH traffic and the full-time cashier / barista is just excellent at their job keeping things flowing maximizing our profits and customer satisfaction.
I saw some dude with a simple fresh lemonade stand says he pays his guys 15-20 an hour just cuz they can knock out 3 drinks a minute.. profiting $12 a minute instead of someone slower profiting $4 a minute.
But honestly, these corporate stores probably aren't doing any of that.
While capitalism is the most effecient way of exchanging resources, capitalism itself isn't something I'm loyal to, it's just an economic system. Guy sounds like ben Shapiro judeo-cons that treat capitalism like some kind of religion, anything that deviates from muh complete free market is freedom hating, anti-American, communism. oh your job doesn't pay enough, cheap foreign labors pricing you out of the market? That's too bad, you should have been smarter and went to college, go be poor somewhere else! No sympathy for people who just want to make an honest living with dignity.
It is not because it eventually runs out of money. And when the moneys gone, they then start cannibalizing their resources/advantages. That’s when cohesion dies.
Malicious actors like Zohran will never fix this problem
Completely correct, but sadly I see a rise in this sort of thing. I thought it was fading from the left, but the "right" has shit the bed so bigly that it's giving an in for the more extremist economic elements of the left to reassert their power. Being a populist is a massive advantage, when pricks like David are saying you shouldn't be able to live.
A lot of misguided people are going to take the platitudes of the communists over the scorn of the "capitalists." (Who are also communists.)
What jobs does this nigger think should make a “living wage”? Jewish Ponzi scheme operator? AIPAC shill? Onlyfans thot? I guarantee the average Starbucks employee adds more value to America than whatever this faggot does.
The funny thing is he and his type know the value these jobs have, because they're the first ones to cry when a goyslop chain closes a location, changes it's hours or raises it's price. He'll call workers entitled for wanting to be able to live, assume wasteful spending and then cry when he can't get a $1 big mac at 2am.
Some nigger woman in a shower cap cut me off in traffic today and i wanted to cut her throat. I tried to get her to pull over but she drove off. Fuckin nigger bitch. Niggers and women should not be allowed to drive.
I just don't understand how nigger women are so fucking hideous. Even the jeets have a higher % of decent looking women, but nigs bitches thats are decent looking is like .00000001% of the species - globally.
Nigger women have different values. I know that sounds obvious, but their goal is to whore it up and pop out as many babies as possible for alimony and EBT purposes later. As you know, having kids and eating junk food (that EBT buys) turns them into orcs relatively quickly.
No, I refuse to accept this framing. A hundred years ago you could live as a bartender or maid or ditch digger or any number of zero skill jobs, because the economy was much smaller, contained more real work, as opposed to usury-creation and gay jewish daycare for 30 year old women, and these positions weren't slashed by slave wages. There's actually nothing wrong with low skill jobs and the people that work them. It wasn't glamorous life, but it was possible. The problem now is simply immigration and monetary debasement via inflation.
Even back then, Jews were trying to import Catholic southern & Eastern Europeans to keep wages low and Whites divided. Problem was, is that those people also assimilated quickly and could thrive in a system that worked for them.
Yeah. I don't want markets distorted to make my life easier, I want them to stop distorting markets in ways that make all our lives much harder, and much more purposeless. I want them to undistort their markets.
That's not entitled or spoiled. We're all sick of getting fucked by these pieces of shit. I love the idea of pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, and I'm onboard. But these demons need to unfuck the economy that they fucked, and let us do that, to a reasonable degree. Until then, it's just going to piss people off. It's right up there with 'let them eat cake.'
Between this guy's vision of "a barista job isn't supposed to pay a living wage," and the actual communist's idea that it should...I hat to say it, the commie is closer to correct, actually. I feel dirty, and he's totally wrong about the solution, but there we are.
No fan of strikers, either, and think they are often a bunch of spoiled retards, but if we're just talking which direction things should be moving in...it's actually not David's. Fuck David, all my homies hate David.
Also, this economic situation is exactly how you get mass and open communism (often followed by fascism.) It won't be me converting to communism, and I'll think those people who will are extremely uneducated...but I understand the anger and frustration. The economy and the "capitalist" (it's not capitalist) system has failed us, and done so in spectacular fashion. Not just failed, but betrayed. I get why each side will turn to more and more extreme and stupid economic policies, and call for more authoritarian strongman solutions.
"A barista job isn't supposed to pay a living wage." Maybe, maybe not. But everything should be more affordable. Fuck this guy. This shit only goes so far. If they were doing a bang-up job fixing the economy, we could talk. But they're not, and things seem to be getting worse for almost everyone. Presumably not David here, though.
To your point, Starbucks baristas - even the part time ones - had awesome benefits in the 80s - 00s, relatively good pay, and flexible hours. It’s not just focusing on how the job sucks now, but realizing that it was so much better just a generation ago.
We’ve lost so much, and that should make everyone left or right, mad.
You assume the full cost of a coffee all goes to the barista.
A coffee at starSchmucks already costs $10. If a barista makes one every 5 minutes then is starSchmucks paying the barista $120 per hour? No. Corporate jews want their cut.
This follows the line that little Shapiro said the other day that [White] people don’t deserve to live where they grew up and should just be economic migrants forever. And if they can’t afford a house, car, family, well they should just make themselves more valuable then.
Then you run the math and see only 1/5 jobs make even $100k and houses of where those jobs actually are run 1mil+.
As much as hardcore RWers idealize the "strong" man who seizes his own self-interest, what we have today is an economy of natural selection where the "alphas" have ruthlessly outcompeted and abused everyone else, and it's leading us off a cliff.
The cope is that our economic "elites" aren't actually strong but products of nepo influence networks, Jewish manipulation, serendipity, etc. But from a pure natural selection perspective that doesn't really hold water. Winners secure a future for themselves and their family, that's just a given. They're able to practice nepotism because they acquired the means for it.
The point that I'm making is that exercising strength is not praiseworthy by itself. Only strength exercised with principles should be lionized. It's not popular to talk about principles because Jewish elites twist the concept for subversion, but nevertheless they are necessary to protect anything genuinely good in the world.
Idk I disagree. If jobs don't pay enough for people to live than why would anyone work them? I'm not talking 100k$ a year but what's the argument that starcucks (owned by a Jew of course) should make so much and build all these locations if they don't even pay people enough to have healthy communities?
I think the blame lies with the starcuck consumer mostly for patronizing the place.
The customer has gone to a Starbucks in their neighborhood for 3 decades and the only thing that’s changed is the price got higher and portions got smaller.
Everything that’s fucked the workers has come from the employer side. Blaming the customer for getting a familiar coffee in a place they’ve been going to forever is peak tiny hat.
Lol wtf is this comments section. Never thought I'd see the day KIA2 unironically shills for communism because "starbucks baristas deserve a living wage!".
A barista job paying a living wage is dependent on your customers having enough of a productive surplus that they're willing to get together and give you some of their food and board in exchange for you making them coffee all day. That should be achievable in a city like New York.
Historucally, minimum was wage was literally pushed as a living wage. Single men could buy property on what we now see called by pundits these, "starter jobs," which are increasingly dominated by 50+ workers, up into the 90s.
Really, any job that takes a majority of your waking hours should pay a living wage. Now mind you I'm much more saying that we need things like the removal of institutional investors in housing, a currency reset (but not to CBDCs), etc., not so much a high minimum wage. But, the idea that jobs which take time away from advancing from them, but pay too little to live off of, is somehow an OK thing, is BS. It's a symptom of a very broken system.
Maybe stop importing 90 IQ jeets to clog up viable careers.
David seems to be under the impression that the markets haven’t already been distorted by globalization to the point where we can’t have homogenous communities that are self-sufficient. These minimum wage jobs aren’t something to aspire to, but they serve a purpose and should at least be treated as a necessary part of a successful, capitalistic society rather than something to scorn. Malicious actors like Zohran will never fix this problem, because their entire platform is based around importing third-world filth that suppress wages and using the taxpayer money to fix a problem that was caused by globalization.
You made my point. While it’s true that those types of jobs traditionally aren’t supposed to be jobs to make a living off of but markets have been distorted. They will not do what it actually takes like going after Fed or ending fractional reserve banking and that’s just the start. Importing millions upon millions definitely doesn’t help
How is a full-time job not a job that you are supposed to make a living off of?
If you aren’t making what you need to make you are going to have to either look for a new job or get something in the side. It sucks but if I am not making enough then it’s ultimately on me to do something. Some jobs simply aren’t designed to support my current life. When I washed dishes at a restaurant as a teenager I wasn’t expecting that salary to sustain me into adulthood
That's not what I was getting at. A full-time job should be able to enable you to get by without having to count every single penny you spend. If it doesn't it's either because your employer pays you a slave wage or what is usually the case the cost of living is far too high for which the government is to be blamed.
Work has to be done and it should be properly rewarded no matter what work it is. A cashier does a vital job for society. So does the guy who cleans the street. And people who work in the food industry. They need to be paid a living wage. Not everyone can work in high-paying IT jobs developing the next useless mobile app.
Hey, I’m a firm believer that everyone’s job is important. I agree the cost of living is too high but unfortunately don’t think most people are willing to do what it takes to do something about it along with inflation, fiat currency, etc. I completely agree you should be able to work a full time job and not have to work others. Granted some jobs are designed to be entry level but ideally working hard at your job should give you raises and promotion opportunities. No arguments from me about cost of living. My rent keeps going up and up
Ah okay then we're on the same page.
So you want to only be able to get by without having to count every penny after doing all that? You might wanna read my post again.
Read my post again.
But calling working a full-time job minimal effort is quite arrogant. Let's use garbage men as an example. It's not a highly skilled job. It's pretty straight forward. But it is one of the most important jobs in modern society. You can't do without them.
That's a fair point... But a lot of it is going to depend on if it's worth it.
Like... It makes sense for a full-time position to include more responsibility than cashier/drink making.
Or it's worth it if you have a store with HIGH traffic and the full-time cashier / barista is just excellent at their job keeping things flowing maximizing our profits and customer satisfaction.
I saw some dude with a simple fresh lemonade stand says he pays his guys 15-20 an hour just cuz they can knock out 3 drinks a minute.. profiting $12 a minute instead of someone slower profiting $4 a minute.
But honestly, these corporate stores probably aren't doing any of that.
While capitalism is the most effecient way of exchanging resources, capitalism itself isn't something I'm loyal to, it's just an economic system. Guy sounds like ben Shapiro judeo-cons that treat capitalism like some kind of religion, anything that deviates from muh complete free market is freedom hating, anti-American, communism. oh your job doesn't pay enough, cheap foreign labors pricing you out of the market? That's too bad, you should have been smarter and went to college, go be poor somewhere else! No sympathy for people who just want to make an honest living with dignity.
Exactly. Socialism is fine in a high trust, closed system, white society. Maybe even better in that situation.
It is not because it eventually runs out of money. And when the moneys gone, they then start cannibalizing their resources/advantages. That’s when cohesion dies.
Completely correct, but sadly I see a rise in this sort of thing. I thought it was fading from the left, but the "right" has shit the bed so bigly that it's giving an in for the more extremist economic elements of the left to reassert their power. Being a populist is a massive advantage, when pricks like David are saying you shouldn't be able to live.
A lot of misguided people are going to take the platitudes of the communists over the scorn of the "capitalists." (Who are also communists.)
What jobs does this nigger think should make a “living wage”? Jewish Ponzi scheme operator? AIPAC shill? Onlyfans thot? I guarantee the average Starbucks employee adds more value to America than whatever this faggot does.
The funny thing is he and his type know the value these jobs have, because they're the first ones to cry when a goyslop chain closes a location, changes it's hours or raises it's price. He'll call workers entitled for wanting to be able to live, assume wasteful spending and then cry when he can't get a $1 big mac at 2am.
His X bio is listed as a PhD of Molecular Biology & an Attorney.
Both fake fiat currency jobs.
I would love to get David's opinion about garbage collectors.
They actually work, so he probably hates them
Woah woah woah, hold up. Nah, they should be replaced by jeets and wetbacks and they will be happy about it
We should all be replaced, and own nothing and be happy*.
* Happiness neither guaranteed or expected.
Not unless you’re in charge! Then you’ll be very happy.
Some nigger woman in a shower cap cut me off in traffic today and i wanted to cut her throat. I tried to get her to pull over but she drove off. Fuckin nigger bitch. Niggers and women should not be allowed to drive.
Nigger bitch was in a hurry to get a new wig
I just don't understand how nigger women are so fucking hideous. Even the jeets have a higher % of decent looking women, but nigs bitches thats are decent looking is like .00000001% of the species - globally.
Nigger women have different values. I know that sounds obvious, but their goal is to whore it up and pop out as many babies as possible for alimony and EBT purposes later. As you know, having kids and eating junk food (that EBT buys) turns them into orcs relatively quickly.
Thats the US, true. But have you seen the ones from Africa? Jesus fuck, straight monkeys.
They are the ugliest women in the world besides Abos
No, I refuse to accept this framing. A hundred years ago you could live as a bartender or maid or ditch digger or any number of zero skill jobs, because the economy was much smaller, contained more real work, as opposed to usury-creation and gay jewish daycare for 30 year old women, and these positions weren't slashed by slave wages. There's actually nothing wrong with low skill jobs and the people that work them. It wasn't glamorous life, but it was possible. The problem now is simply immigration and monetary debasement via inflation.
Even back then, Jews were trying to import Catholic southern & Eastern Europeans to keep wages low and Whites divided. Problem was, is that those people also assimilated quickly and could thrive in a system that worked for them.
Yeah. I don't want markets distorted to make my life easier, I want them to stop distorting markets in ways that make all our lives much harder, and much more purposeless. I want them to undistort their markets.
That's not entitled or spoiled. We're all sick of getting fucked by these pieces of shit. I love the idea of pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, and I'm onboard. But these demons need to unfuck the economy that they fucked, and let us do that, to a reasonable degree. Until then, it's just going to piss people off. It's right up there with 'let them eat cake.'
Between this guy's vision of "a barista job isn't supposed to pay a living wage," and the actual communist's idea that it should...I hat to say it, the commie is closer to correct, actually. I feel dirty, and he's totally wrong about the solution, but there we are.
No fan of strikers, either, and think they are often a bunch of spoiled retards, but if we're just talking which direction things should be moving in...it's actually not David's. Fuck David, all my homies hate David.
Also, this economic situation is exactly how you get mass and open communism (often followed by fascism.) It won't be me converting to communism, and I'll think those people who will are extremely uneducated...but I understand the anger and frustration. The economy and the "capitalist" (it's not capitalist) system has failed us, and done so in spectacular fashion. Not just failed, but betrayed. I get why each side will turn to more and more extreme and stupid economic policies, and call for more authoritarian strongman solutions.
"A barista job isn't supposed to pay a living wage." Maybe, maybe not. But everything should be more affordable. Fuck this guy. This shit only goes so far. If they were doing a bang-up job fixing the economy, we could talk. But they're not, and things seem to be getting worse for almost everyone. Presumably not David here, though.
To your point, Starbucks baristas - even the part time ones - had awesome benefits in the 80s - 00s, relatively good pay, and flexible hours. It’s not just focusing on how the job sucks now, but realizing that it was so much better just a generation ago.
We’ve lost so much, and that should make everyone left or right, mad.
They still have really good benefits and flexible hours.
Simple. Pay baristas $50 per hour and charge $100 per coffee.
Let the customers know that they should pay $100 for a coffee because you compensate your employees with high salaries.
Surely the democrats will fork over the doe? Won't they?
Or we can deport 100+ million foreigners (and their American-born children) and let the free market raise wages out of necessity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pusZXECS0mM
That doesn't even make sense as a hyperbolic statement. It doesn't take two hours to make a cup of coffee.
You assume the full cost of a coffee all goes to the barista.
A coffee at starSchmucks already costs $10. If a barista makes one every 5 minutes then is starSchmucks paying the barista $120 per hour? No. Corporate jews want their cut.
This follows the line that little Shapiro said the other day that [White] people don’t deserve to live where they grew up and should just be economic migrants forever. And if they can’t afford a house, car, family, well they should just make themselves more valuable then.
Then you run the math and see only 1/5 jobs make even $100k and houses of where those jobs actually are run 1mil+.
As much as hardcore RWers idealize the "strong" man who seizes his own self-interest, what we have today is an economy of natural selection where the "alphas" have ruthlessly outcompeted and abused everyone else, and it's leading us off a cliff.
The cope is that our economic "elites" aren't actually strong but products of nepo influence networks, Jewish manipulation, serendipity, etc. But from a pure natural selection perspective that doesn't really hold water. Winners secure a future for themselves and their family, that's just a given. They're able to practice nepotism because they acquired the means for it.
The point that I'm making is that exercising strength is not praiseworthy by itself. Only strength exercised with principles should be lionized. It's not popular to talk about principles because Jewish elites twist the concept for subversion, but nevertheless they are necessary to protect anything genuinely good in the world.
Idk I disagree. If jobs don't pay enough for people to live than why would anyone work them? I'm not talking 100k$ a year but what's the argument that starcucks (owned by a Jew of course) should make so much and build all these locations if they don't even pay people enough to have healthy communities?
I think the blame lies with the starcuck consumer mostly for patronizing the place.
The customer has gone to a Starbucks in their neighborhood for 3 decades and the only thing that’s changed is the price got higher and portions got smaller.
Everything that’s fucked the workers has come from the employer side. Blaming the customer for getting a familiar coffee in a place they’ve been going to forever is peak tiny hat.
Nah being a mindless consoomer is peak NPC
Lol wtf is this comments section. Never thought I'd see the day KIA2 unironically shills for communism because "starbucks baristas deserve a living wage!".
Distorting the nation to satisfy NON-WHITES and MIGRANTS and DUMB WOMEN ends badly too.
A barista job paying a living wage is dependent on your customers having enough of a productive surplus that they're willing to get together and give you some of their food and board in exchange for you making them coffee all day. That should be achievable in a city like New York.
Historucally, minimum was wage was literally pushed as a living wage. Single men could buy property on what we now see called by pundits these, "starter jobs," which are increasingly dominated by 50+ workers, up into the 90s.
Really, any job that takes a majority of your waking hours should pay a living wage. Now mind you I'm much more saying that we need things like the removal of institutional investors in housing, a currency reset (but not to CBDCs), etc., not so much a high minimum wage. But, the idea that jobs which take time away from advancing from them, but pay too little to live off of, is somehow an OK thing, is BS. It's a symptom of a very broken system.