40% of women aged 15-44 want to “leave the U.S. permanently,” per Gallup poll
And one of the best things we could do for our nation is to facilitate that.
The only counter argument to this is that women are followers, not leaders. A better option is to be stronger, and train them to not be so absolutely fucking retarded.
I don't want American women fleeing the country, because women are women. They're emotional, they're easily swayed. They're not terrible people, but they're prone to falling for propaganda. Getting rid of the women that fall for propaganda doesn't solve anything, because the people pushing the propaganda are still around, and subverting our culture.
As satisfying as it is to say "bye, Felicia," it doesn't solve anything. A better option is to forcibly stop women from being so retarded.
A better option is to forcibly stop women from being so retarded.
And then what? Their n counts are in the triple digits so it's not like they're wife material. Large numbers of cat ladies aren't good for the political system as we've already found out. Stripping their right to vote might work, but we'd still have millions of less than worthless parasites in our midst. I think disposing of them one way or the other is the best option.
This isn't a shot at you, but I always find it funny how people try to have it both ways; women are retarded children with no agency, who just need to be told what to do...but are also horrible monsters and are unsalvageable.
If women don't have agency (again, want to be clear, not saying you're saying that) then all women are salvageable, because they're malleable and will go along with whoever takes charge.
I absolutely agree the WQ is incredibly tricky, and maywill likely never be solved. But the duality of women being both evil and malleable always strikes me as a bit funny.
Are you sure that the "women are evil" camp has any substantial overlap with the "women are malleable" camp? I think I've made it obvious that I'm in the former group. I appreciate that you're engaging in good faith so I'm not trying to be a dick, but "the manosphere isn't a monolith" would be the snarky answer if I wanted to be. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think it's a matter of holding both opinions at once.
It's also worth noting that malleability is a matter of degree rather than a boolean (I really wish pedophiles hadn't ruined words like binary and spectrum). I think it's possible to create an incentive structure that prevents their shitty nature from blowing up the whole operation, but that only suppresses the problem which is why the WQ is a challenge that every generation faces. It doesn't fundamentally change what they are, and that means there are a lot of hidden costs to keeping things functional. There are no perfect solutions and tradeoffs need to made to keep civilization viable.
I appreciate that you're engaging in good faith so I'm not trying to be a dick, but "the manosphere isn't a monolith" would be the snarky answer if I wanted to be. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think it's a matter of holding both opinions at once.
Fair point, and well said. Appreciate the discussion. I fall more into the second camp personally, and think that, even if women were evil, if men were doing their jobs (for lack of better phrasing), women's worse aspects would be kept mostly in check. The current society is not set up to confront women's failings.
But, you're right, it's not necessarily the same group saying each thing...although I have definitely talked to some people who think women are braindead and have no agency...but are also evil. Which still seems weird to me.
I think about the WQ a lot and my conclusion is you're both right. Women are weak, and need to be lead, and without that, they become wicked and corrupt. They're also inherently selfish due to the nature of pregnancy and caring for babies, which is a good trait to have when its relegated to the home, but utterly disastrous when taken beyond that. We as men need to recognize that and act accordingly, no more of this "equality" shit, and that goes for the tradcucks as well.
it'll never make sense to me how you can hold an opinion that will literally and irrevocably end itself within a lifetime. it's like with homosexuals, the only way they can actually get to go on is to reproduce horizontally by grooming a few kids. is that what you hope to do before you die alone and childless, or does "leave them to their fate" imply the extension "after giving me a cute one to abuse"?
Why would I want to commit myself to some neurotic ex coalburner who only sees me as a life raft to run away from the consequences of her actions? And that's not even getting into the possibility of getting my life fucked in a potential divorce.
I get it, I'm not perfect by any means and I don't expect some 10/10 young virgin to somehow fall out of the sky for me, especially at my age. But at the very least I didn't sleep with 20 different dudes before realising I needed to find some gullible simp to settle down with.
A better option is to forcibly stop women from being so retarded.
Neat. How do you propose we accomplish that without the government putting us all in cages? Yes men need to lead women, but the actions required to do so have been almost entirely outlawed. Men no longer hold authority over their women and if they try to exercise any it's called "abusive behavior" and then the state gets involved. We've got entirely swaths of society convinced that telling a woman "no you can't do x" is unconscionable behavior that requires intervention to protect the woman.
Women used to be the more conservative sex, by a large margin. They're just easier to control with social pressure, and modern social pressure is towards leftist ideology. 80 years ago, conservative ideology was what was being pushed onto society.
I think women are super scared and anxious and most white men are totally cucked and not leading properly.
Most of these women's fathers are non existent or liberal. Their husbands are also the same. They are frightened and not seeing any male leadership worth a damn just like us men see that too. The difference is we aren't women.
white men are totally cucked and not leading properly
white men are not allowed to lead properly. The top down social pressures eviscerate white men in western countries. White men are not allowed to be masculine or express masculine traits, except in the circus of pro-sports. that is the only avenue allowed.
i understand, im saying the law and the culture punish you if you do chose to be masculine and lead. Your only reprieve is in your own household and that is if the woman you married has managed to reject the constant feminist/girlboss/victimhood/"muh patriarchy" propaganda that is omnipresent and has been so since the 60s.
Of course it is! But that's nature. You are either strong enough or you die. Its a joke to think that in the past men were ever given permission to succeed, history is full of men that carved success from an environment that wished for them to give up and be slaves for other stronger men.
This is no different. We are just softer than ever before, and more comforted by copes like movies, gaming, porn, sweets, etc.
I don't even think that's a purely political thing, even if that is the cherry factor on top.
Every fucking woman these days is so boringly obsessed with "traveling." My town is filled with "van life" women (and only women) going around with their dogs and being bums. I have zero doubt if they could drive to Europe/Asia they'd be doing it there. Basic sluts have been "backpacking" across Europe for as long as I can remember. Heck, we have had infinite new stories of white girls going to India/Middle East just to end up dead for it.
The political situation has just given then a covering excuse for something they already wanted to do, run away from all responsibilities and "See the world" before they try to settle down in their 40s.
I'll give you women with their dogs is a symptom of a problem, but dogs are literally our oldest and most loyal companions without which we might not have escaped the stone age and I will be damned if I turn on them because hoes are trying to ruin them too.
Nah not like this. Guard wolves and herding wolves yes, genetically fucked up mutant pet dogs, no. They are just replacements and escapism for not having a family or human friends.
The best friends of humans were always other humans. This dog shit is just cope for hating and/or being rejected by society.
This dog shit is just cope for hating and/or being rejected by society.
Hating dogs is just cope against an animal who can't be tricked with words being able to smell the evil and hate in your soul.
We have done them great sins by breeding them into some of the horror forms we have, and those deserve to be eradicated to escape that fate. But dogs in general are not a problem, nor is a man loving one for it is the only possible "unconditional" love a man can expect to gain in life.
Funny how by definition homeless guys lack most of those basic necessities but I see plenty of them with dogs.
But I suppose the entire length of human history and wisdom is wrong, and you've cracked the code that because a bunch of privileged hedonist retards do degenerate stuff, it was all a lie all along.
These young women have been taught to hate men and their country. So of course they want to leave so they can live in enlightened cities like Paris or London.
Universities have been detrimental to the culture of our nation in ways I would’ve never imagined. It’s a poisonous swamp of lies and brainwashing that fosters the destruction of our country.
Might I suggest the Democratic Republic of the Congo? I mean look “Democratic” is in the name, so you can go let them know about “our democracy.” Besides, we know you all dream about being dominated by a black man with an AK47.
Send them to detroi......Londonistan.
They were planning to move to india- I mean canada
And where would they go that would be safer?
Anywhere that's successfully conned them into thinking there are no roaming rape gangs. So most other western nations.
Wait until they find out those countries have immigration laws and actually enforce them if you're not a military aged male from some crapistan.
They all think France is so awesome. Which it sort of is but they think its because its not racist.
Its awesome cause its still whiter.
Safer?
Just about any other Western country
And one of the best things we could do for our nation is to facilitate that.
The only counter argument to this is that women are followers, not leaders. A better option is to be stronger, and train them to not be so absolutely fucking retarded.
I don't want American women fleeing the country, because women are women. They're emotional, they're easily swayed. They're not terrible people, but they're prone to falling for propaganda. Getting rid of the women that fall for propaganda doesn't solve anything, because the people pushing the propaganda are still around, and subverting our culture.
As satisfying as it is to say "bye, Felicia," it doesn't solve anything. A better option is to forcibly stop women from being so retarded.
And then what? Their n counts are in the triple digits so it's not like they're wife material. Large numbers of cat ladies aren't good for the political system as we've already found out. Stripping their right to vote might work, but we'd still have millions of less than worthless parasites in our midst. I think disposing of them one way or the other is the best option.
This isn't a shot at you, but I always find it funny how people try to have it both ways; women are retarded children with no agency, who just need to be told what to do...but are also horrible monsters and are unsalvageable.
If women don't have agency (again, want to be clear, not saying you're saying that) then all women are salvageable, because they're malleable and will go along with whoever takes charge.
I absolutely agree the WQ is incredibly tricky, and
maywill likely never be solved. But the duality of women being both evil and malleable always strikes me as a bit funny.Are you sure that the "women are evil" camp has any substantial overlap with the "women are malleable" camp? I think I've made it obvious that I'm in the former group. I appreciate that you're engaging in good faith so I'm not trying to be a dick, but "the manosphere isn't a monolith" would be the snarky answer if I wanted to be. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think it's a matter of holding both opinions at once.
It's also worth noting that malleability is a matter of degree rather than a boolean (I really wish pedophiles hadn't ruined words like binary and spectrum). I think it's possible to create an incentive structure that prevents their shitty nature from blowing up the whole operation, but that only suppresses the problem which is why the WQ is a challenge that every generation faces. It doesn't fundamentally change what they are, and that means there are a lot of hidden costs to keeping things functional. There are no perfect solutions and tradeoffs need to made to keep civilization viable.
Fair point, and well said. Appreciate the discussion. I fall more into the second camp personally, and think that, even if women were evil, if men were doing their jobs (for lack of better phrasing), women's worse aspects would be kept mostly in check. The current society is not set up to confront women's failings.
But, you're right, it's not necessarily the same group saying each thing...although I have definitely talked to some people who think women are braindead and have no agency...but are also evil. Which still seems weird to me.
I think about the WQ a lot and my conclusion is you're both right. Women are weak, and need to be lead, and without that, they become wicked and corrupt. They're also inherently selfish due to the nature of pregnancy and caring for babies, which is a good trait to have when its relegated to the home, but utterly disastrous when taken beyond that. We as men need to recognize that and act accordingly, no more of this "equality" shit, and that goes for the tradcucks as well.
Can't live with them, can't live without them.
Agreed. They aren't salvageable. Leave them to their fate.
it'll never make sense to me how you can hold an opinion that will literally and irrevocably end itself within a lifetime. it's like with homosexuals, the only way they can actually get to go on is to reproduce horizontally by grooming a few kids. is that what you hope to do before you die alone and childless, or does "leave them to their fate" imply the extension "after giving me a cute one to abuse"?
And why would I want to reproduce with them?
Why would I want to commit myself to some neurotic ex coalburner who only sees me as a life raft to run away from the consequences of her actions? And that's not even getting into the possibility of getting my life fucked in a potential divorce.
I get it, I'm not perfect by any means and I don't expect some 10/10 young virgin to somehow fall out of the sky for me, especially at my age. But at the very least I didn't sleep with 20 different dudes before realising I needed to find some gullible simp to settle down with.
I doubt they are the ones answering these polls.
They've said that for decades now.
Bingo. Coof times massively accelerated demographic change. Whites are a tiny minority of young people now.
Neat. How do you propose we accomplish that without the government putting us all in cages? Yes men need to lead women, but the actions required to do so have been almost entirely outlawed. Men no longer hold authority over their women and if they try to exercise any it's called "abusive behavior" and then the state gets involved. We've got entirely swaths of society convinced that telling a woman "no you can't do x" is unconscionable behavior that requires intervention to protect the woman.
Read: "women 15-44 most susceptible to psy-ops"
Nah dog, they start out that way.
Women used to be the more conservative sex, by a large margin. They're just easier to control with social pressure, and modern social pressure is towards leftist ideology. 80 years ago, conservative ideology was what was being pushed onto society.
I think women are super scared and anxious and most white men are totally cucked and not leading properly.
Most of these women's fathers are non existent or liberal. Their husbands are also the same. They are frightened and not seeing any male leadership worth a damn just like us men see that too. The difference is we aren't women.
white men are not allowed to lead properly. The top down social pressures eviscerate white men in western countries. White men are not allowed to be masculine or express masculine traits, except in the circus of pro-sports. that is the only avenue allowed.
Of course you aren't supposed to lead. But you have to find a way anyway, its the only way to save our families.
i understand, im saying the law and the culture punish you if you do chose to be masculine and lead. Your only reprieve is in your own household and that is if the woman you married has managed to reject the constant feminist/girlboss/victimhood/"muh patriarchy" propaganda that is omnipresent and has been so since the 60s.
Very tall order.
Of course it is! But that's nature. You are either strong enough or you die. Its a joke to think that in the past men were ever given permission to succeed, history is full of men that carved success from an environment that wished for them to give up and be slaves for other stronger men.
This is no different. We are just softer than ever before, and more comforted by copes like movies, gaming, porn, sweets, etc.
Ok, bye.
I'd be willing to fund their departure with taxpayer dollars on the condition they give up the right to absentee voting.
I don't even think that's a purely political thing, even if that is the cherry factor on top.
Every fucking woman these days is so boringly obsessed with "traveling." My town is filled with "van life" women (and only women) going around with their dogs and being bums. I have zero doubt if they could drive to Europe/Asia they'd be doing it there. Basic sluts have been "backpacking" across Europe for as long as I can remember. Heck, we have had infinite new stories of white girls going to India/Middle East just to end up dead for it.
The political situation has just given then a covering excuse for something they already wanted to do, run away from all responsibilities and "See the world" before they try to settle down in their 40s.
Dog culture is just a symptom of mental illness and antinatalism.
I'll give you women with their dogs is a symptom of a problem, but dogs are literally our oldest and most loyal companions without which we might not have escaped the stone age and I will be damned if I turn on them because hoes are trying to ruin them too.
Nah not like this. Guard wolves and herding wolves yes, genetically fucked up mutant pet dogs, no. They are just replacements and escapism for not having a family or human friends.
The best friends of humans were always other humans. This dog shit is just cope for hating and/or being rejected by society.
Hating dogs is just cope against an animal who can't be tricked with words being able to smell the evil and hate in your soul.
We have done them great sins by breeding them into some of the horror forms we have, and those deserve to be eradicated to escape that fate. But dogs in general are not a problem, nor is a man loving one for it is the only possible "unconditional" love a man can expect to gain in life.
Also how unconditional is their love when you have to feed them, house them, and take care of them with attention constantly or they run away lol.
Funny how by definition homeless guys lack most of those basic necessities but I see plenty of them with dogs.
But I suppose the entire length of human history and wisdom is wrong, and you've cracked the code that because a bunch of privileged hedonist retards do degenerate stuff, it was all a lie all along.
Just because dogs have low standards doesn't mean its unconditional. Are you saying homeless people don't feed and give attention to their dogs?
Bro a stinky ass dog can't smell the evil in your soul. Dog nutter logic.
These young women have been taught to hate men and their country. So of course they want to leave so they can live in enlightened cities like Paris or London.
Universities have been detrimental to the culture of our nation in ways I would’ve never imagined. It’s a poisonous swamp of lies and brainwashing that fosters the destruction of our country.
But we need to import 600k Chinese students or these universities won't survive!
Might I suggest the Democratic Republic of the Congo? I mean look “Democratic” is in the name, so you can go let them know about “our democracy.” Besides, we know you all dream about being dominated by a black man with an AK47.
"There are three kind of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics"
And yet these strong empowered women go nowhere.
That's ok, the young conservative women want to stay
we got a 40%er right here!
40% of women have low IQs.
A bunch of lefties are saying that 15 year olds aren't women. They're trying to mock the statistics.
k bye