I appreciate that you're engaging in good faith so I'm not trying to be a dick, but "the manosphere isn't a monolith" would be the snarky answer if I wanted to be. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think it's a matter of holding both opinions at once.
Fair point, and well said. Appreciate the discussion. I fall more into the second camp personally, and think that, even if women were evil, if men were doing their jobs (for lack of better phrasing), women's worse aspects would be kept mostly in check. The current society is not set up to confront women's failings.
But, you're right, it's not necessarily the same group saying each thing...although I have definitely talked to some people who think women are braindead and have no agency...but are also evil. Which still seems weird to me.
I think about the WQ a lot and my conclusion is you're both right. Women are weak, and need to be lead, and without that, they become wicked and corrupt. They're also inherently selfish due to the nature of pregnancy and caring for babies, which is a good trait to have when its relegated to the home, but utterly disastrous when taken beyond that. We as men need to recognize that and act accordingly, no more of this "equality" shit, and that goes for the tradcucks as well.
Fair point, and well said. Appreciate the discussion. I fall more into the second camp personally, and think that, even if women were evil, if men were doing their jobs (for lack of better phrasing), women's worse aspects would be kept mostly in check. The current society is not set up to confront women's failings.
But, you're right, it's not necessarily the same group saying each thing...although I have definitely talked to some people who think women are braindead and have no agency...but are also evil. Which still seems weird to me.
I think about the WQ a lot and my conclusion is you're both right. Women are weak, and need to be lead, and without that, they become wicked and corrupt. They're also inherently selfish due to the nature of pregnancy and caring for babies, which is a good trait to have when its relegated to the home, but utterly disastrous when taken beyond that. We as men need to recognize that and act accordingly, no more of this "equality" shit, and that goes for the tradcucks as well.