Candace Owens dropping Kirk DMs. Israel looking more guilty by the day
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Let's not forget she was the one who originally tried to build a GamerGate surveillance network with Zoey Quinn in order to dox and harass people who supported GamerGate back in the day.
She is to be treated as an enemy until further notice. Any positive thing she does is a recognized secondary benefit.
As someone who dealt with her on OG KIA: This is a half truth, and that's being really fucking generous to you.
She made a naive attempt at making a database of trolls, we (original r/KiA) told and showed her why this was a bad idea (too easy to fake data/add false & malicious reports).
During this time ZQ tried to dissuade her from the project because it stepped one the toes of her own Crash Override* scheme ("You're ruining everything!"). When ZQ's attempts to talk her out of the ill-fated Social Autopsy failed, Candace's private phone number suddenly was in the hands of trolls days after Candace had given it to ZQ, and Candace was getting hate calls out the wazoo after telling ZQ she intended to keep going forward with SA, which she never did due to her KiA based education.
I feel like I've straightened you out on this before.
*DAE remember the super-cool movie hackers, OMG best movie ever, let's name a project after one of the characters, guize!
Edit to add: https://old.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/4feylb/discussion_a_consolidation_of_power/
Edit 2: Electric Boogaloo: The texts are real: https://communities.win/c/KotakuInAction2/p/1AR0sJmgwD/turning-point-usa-confirms-the-c/c
It’s always nice to see one of the gamergate old heads setting the record straight.
It's not the first time I've had to do that about this topic with him.
Not going to be last time either.
Never is, especially when TP USA themselves said the texts were legit.
https://communities.win/c/KotakuInAction2/p/1AR0sJmgwD/turning-point-usa-confirms-the-c/c
Gizortnik is so frustrating. He clearly has deep knowledge of more than one field, yet will not budge when confronted with actual facts.
I like to think one of my best attributes is that I change my mind, especially when confronted with facts. Lord knows, I started 2014 as a left of center, pro refugee athirst. I am none of those things now.
Gizortnik is often beyond the reach of facts or reason. At that point, what do you do?
I like him, he is just ... ugh!
And now this dropped a little while ago: TP USA says the texts are real.
https://communities.win/c/KotakuInAction2/p/1AR0sJmgwD/turning-point-usa-confirms-the-c/c
I've noticed that a lot of people who don't like the direction that Candace is heading try to deliberately obfuscate the history of Social Autopsy. "But remember guys, she used to be a leftist! She's a grifter!"
It was a not-terrible idea from a teenager with noble intentions who hadn't thought through the effects and how it could be misused.
At the time I was impressed at how fast Candice did a 180 when confronted with the actual facts of the situation. After she got burned by Literally Who, Candice was very quick to accept that OG KiA actually knew what was going on.
It took guts to admit that she was 100% wrong and to flip like that. She did learn very fast when other leftist and normies were not learning at all.
I am not at all impressed by anything at all she has done since.
It is slightly amusing that she is winding up the French so hard, but that seems like top tier trolling, and that doesn't impress me anymore.
I don't think you have straightened me out on this before, but I appreciate it none-the-less. I was referring to your 2nd sentence, but I wasn't clear about the 3rd paragraph.
For some reason, most people have a hard time wrapping their minds around the idea of an enemy of an enemy being just another enemy, or that two enemies can turn against each other without one becoming our new friend. Candice is occasionally useful, but is not to be trusted.
Mostly Candice is a very well televised, slow-motion train wreck. We can point and laugh when the very deserving get caught in the crush ... but that just seems to be coincidence at this point.
They did the same thing with Kanye.
So long as he's pushing dah joos, he'll get treated like they wouldn't prefer to have him shot publicly. As soon as he becomes un-useful, he needs to be first up against the wall.
Except in this case, she was telling the truth sooo...
Let's just stick to the facts.
Candace Owen wanted to set up 'Social Autopsy', a mechanism for apparently finding "Online bullies" and then bullying them back - based on nothing but hearsay and easily faked screenies (Like the one in the OP potentially is).
This upset Zoey Quinn as she was launching her "Crash Override Network" on Twitter at its height of censorship and shadowbanning, and was proposing the same thing. Two separate entities doing illegal undertakings for fake cry bullies. They had some online tête-à-tête in front of all and got the attention they both wanted (Which their daddy's paid for).
Candance then took on Blaire White on The Rubin Report and had an obtuse cat fight with them for all to see all over again.
This is why she's 'relevant'. Not through any investigative work, discovery of secretive information or being punished for standing up for those without a voice. She is a shirker and is simply chasing whatever narrative gets her attention and money. Just now it is the Charlie Kirk topic and the 'Jewish' angle.
Shirkers gotta shirk, but they don't need our attention and should be left well alone.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Pepperidge Farm remembers...
Didn't she try to build it on her own and only turned to Quinn to try and get funding/support? Only to get Quinn to immediately try to destroy her and, as later leaked conversations showed, rallied all her little troops to help in doing so.
Doesn't change anything about your point, other than that even Quinn was smart enough to see how stupid she was. Owens was a Leftie with standard Leftie opinions until she got refused her place at the big kid table, and then decided to go angry black woman on them for rejecting her.
No. ZQ tried to sabotage Social Autopsy because it was a threat to Crash Override ("You're ruining everything!")
the super cool husbando character from the movie HackersA COMPLETELY ORIGINAL NAME THAT HAS NO AFFILIATION WITH ANYTHING, ZQ MADE THE NAME UP FROM SCRATCH, NOT AFTER WATCHING A MOVIE ONLY REMEMBERED FOR HAVING ANGELINA JOLIE TAKE OFF HER SHIRT.This statement relies on "Quinn was smart", and is demonstrably false.
She was a retarded 19 year old. I challenge anyone here to claim they weren't a retarded 19 year old.
I personally enjoyed the five or so years of the red pilling of Candace Owens. I think working for Ben Shapiro did
amazing things for her noticingterrible things for her mental health, but that's agreat example of what happens when people get their eyes opened too fast and can't handle itseparate post.If you're going to call her out for retard behavior call her out for things that actually happened, don't make up stuff like some sort of Kotaku journalist.
Honestly I don't think I was even aware she was 19 at the time. Thankfully you have a much clearer understanding.
I recall there was also an incident where high schooler Candace (or her family) successfully accused an institution of "racism," but again that's completely congruent with her public evolution. Personally I might have played the race card as well if I was given the chance as a kid. Would never dream of it today, obviously.
I phrased it as a question because I wasn't 100% confident in my memory of it. That's how grammar and punctuation is meant to work, but I suppose we can just take the worst possible interpretation and respond with complete hostility to me literally asking for clarification because his version of events didn't seem right.
Smart enough to see a threat and nip it in the bud before it had a chance to become a thorn. Again, nothing changes about the fact that she is in it for herself and her only beneficial as a secondary effect.
Such as this entire crusade against Jews, which is just her beefing with Shapiro masking itself.
And she hasn't shown an iota of increased intelligence or capability since other than knowing how to grift off being black and a woman. So there is no point in delineating as if she is a different person now.
Looking back I think your comment blended in my head with Giz's when I was writing all that. Sorry.
As for the rest of it.
All good brother, we've all made that mistake. Especially in these long chains. No offense taken.
We've been in this GG hellscape for over a decade now, a lot of these memories blend together or get lost. Some of us have better recollection of some parts than others, like Antonio with his autism.
Could have sworn i heard it as Quinn telling her to stfu and stop rocking the boat because the Social Autopsy would have exposed both Quinn and her ilk who relied on alt accounts and false flags to generate the messages being used to leverage social clout.
Brimshae & m0r1arty have the better breakdown.
No, no, it's all real. Here, I myself have totally for real quote from Charlie Kirk.
'I fear for my life. Mossad has been on my tail ever since Israel discovered that I truly am the reincarnation of Hitler.' - Charlie Kirk
This may seem unbelievable, but it is.
True.
Looks like all it took was waiting less than 24 hours.
https://communities.win/c/KotakuInAction2/p/1AR0sJmgwD/turning-point-usa-confirms-the-c/c
No part of this looks real in any form, and it should be a red flag onto yourself if you even believed it for a moment to be how blinded you are becoming by your own biases. Like really, a screenshot of a few texts with his full name attached to them as he says the most perfectly specific and direct thing possible in a manner no one speaks like?
If Mossad killed him is still a possibility, but trusting not only fucking Candice Owens and this weak ass "proof" is always going to be a losing choice because she is a literal DEI hire for the Right Wing with no further brain power above the common nigger monkey she hails from.
Not saying it's real, but I will push back on this specific part. I'm no expert, as I don't really use social media, but that looks like Facebook...which has your full name attached. So that part at least doesn't seem like a red flag.
That said, the part that makes this hardest to believe is simply that Candace Owens keeps dribbling out these tasty details. She apparently had these DMs all along, at least if they're to her (haven't followed her story.) Why didn't she go harder on this from Day 1? She at least partially discredits herself when her story keeps - while not necessarily changing or contradicting itself per se - evolving.
I haven't followed everything, but it seems weird that more and more information keeps coming out from Candace when, if she'd known it all along, you'd think it would have changed her earlier comments. Why not say she had DMs like this from the start, instead of hints and suspicions? Again, haven't followed everything, so I could be getting it wrong (I do know she said she had some DMs pretty early, and almost from the start said Charlie had soured on Israel), but it still feels weird.
The far better play as a grifter would be to shut up about Israel and stay with her lucrative Daily Wire contract. This makes no sense. But then you seem to be one of those people that yell "grifter" at anyone talking about Jewish power.
Considering her entire career is literally DEI but for the Right to use as "look, we aren't racist or sexist, we let a black woman say it and that makes us immune to identity politics!" I don't think she ever left Leftism. Because by principle, she owes everything she is to Leftist ideals and politics, and yet happily gulps it down for the power and money (like a good Leftie grifter).
She only turned on the Left in the first place because they wouldn't let her sit at their table, so she tantrummed her way to being their opponents on everything. And then the same scenario played out with the Jews at Daily Wire, who'd never let a non-Jew or nigger woman hold real power with them, so now she is tantrumming against Jews in the same way.
If it was Facebook it would have his profile picture attached would it not? I don't think Facebook lets you just have a blank no image profile. I assumed it was Telegram, where you can choose your name and most people I know (who aren't arrogant blowhards like Fuentes) just use First name or nickname only because its meant to be private conversations.
You might be right, but that's where my radar took me.
She also wouldn't have backtracked on her comments in between all these events, like a "just asking questions (but I have no evidence)" person does if she had actual evidence such as this all along.
The entire reason she hasn't been fully laughed out of the room here is because if you say "DAE JEW BAD?!" then people will line up to support you uncritically and call anyone who questions you a Jew and attack them. Its pure confirmation bias at work here, where she is saying exactly what a portion of people want to hear and then inventing the evidence to keep the grift going.
And its not like there isn't evidence and a possibility that Israel is responsible here, but her very efforts promoting the idea is doing more to push people away from that possibility through sheer retardation and making shit up.
Could also be normal text messages. If you have multiple people called Charlie in your contacts you're likely to use their full name to keep them apart. I know that's what I would do because I don't like giving my phone contacts nicknames.
She could be holding the info to bait TPUSA into denials, like a cross examination.
This isn't Facebook. Looks like Signal, which uses phone contact names, but people often put full names in their contact list.
It is written closer to her cadence than how Charlie spoke. Not that it matters, really. There is video of Kirk calling out Israel right to Ben Shapiros face, a week or two before he was shot. Candace is trying to signal boost that in her own retarded way
It matters a whole lot actually. Its trying to attach a murdered man's name to your lies to try and leverage the indignation about his death for your cause. Its morally disgusting and abhorrent in every way.
Whatever his true feelings about Israel are are that and whatever words he said are what we have, and if they aren't enough to whip up your cause then you should work on building it up yourself instead of using the dead, who can't defend themselves against your manipulations, to do it for you.
Turns out it was real though so all that sperging from you was all for nothing
I can admit to being wrong about them being fake, though all the reasons I listed still stand as reasons to doubt. Not believing everything we see immediately is important to prevent ourselves from being manipulated and grifted. Its why that old Gamergate phrase said "trust but verify" instead of "listen and believe."
But considering you came back to claim your W from it, clearly I hit a nerve. I'm sorry your ego needed that, but you can have it. I'm happy to be proven wrong when the proof comes.
I mean you literally opened your original comment implying there was something wrong with me for trusting Candace, so yeah, I'm gonna take it a little personally.
And everything I said is still valid. Trusting her just because she said it, and limped out with this incredibly suspicious screenshot is foolishness that would be laughed at if it didn't fit exactly what you wanted to believe.
Do you care about opposing Israel and Jews out of principle, and care for some sort of moral truth, or just to have your ego validated for noooticing super hard?
DMs with whom? He wouldn't say, "I'm thinking of inviting Candace," to Candace.
If we download and upload the same image a dozen times more, perhaps we'll be able to count the number of blocks in the pics.
Do I look like I know what a Jpeg is?
I want to see this as a positive but, other than swaying public opinion, evidence of this sort will change nothing. We could have hard evidence that the assassin was a Mossad agent and the kid being blamed is a patsy and still, nothing would change because J’ish mafia controls federal law enforcement and any investigations they conduct into J’ish crimes. The reality is, if we want to fix any of the major problems we are facing right now as a nation, it boils down to removing J’ish influence from our system, if we can’t do that, nothing will change. And as much as I wish we could vote all of these problems away, it won’t ever be solved through the voting system, the subversion is everywhere in our government.
Could be easily faked. Owens isn’t the most trustworthy source, something is off about her.