I find it heart breaking, but no longer unexpected that so many are so easy to fool so soon after the Iraq war, Afganistan invasion, etc. Heck, many are using the same terminology in slandering those speaking out against the hawks.
IDGAF about either Israel or Iran, but I find it very weird how fast MAGA turned into MIGA right before my eyes.
Yeah. Although a lot of people have shifted - and I wouldn't be completely surprised if more did if shit kicks off - there are also a bunch of people who are staunchly against this. Like, more than I've ever seen go against Trump, from his own side.
MAGA certainly isn't flipping, at least not yet. They don't want war. Which is pretty encouraging.
Catturd, who I generally enjoy for his boomer takes, has gone full on war whore.
I forget how, but he was already sketchy before this. I think also related to Israel. A bunch of people are just unquestioning Zionists, whether they're Jewish, or Christian, or whatever.
I don't think Israel has come up a lot when I've listened to him. He mostly hates RINOs and was adamantly against the Ukraine war ... and flips as soon as Israel is involved and Trump starts talking about regime change in Iran, posting taunts about the weakness of Iran.
"They hate us" is not a valid reason to declare war. And we should try to figure out why they hate us, and see if we can resolve that. Spoilers below.
Pro tip: We could make Iran hate us a lot less - enough to be even less of a threat than they currently are - and do it, not just for free, but it would actually save us money. Stop paying Israel, and stop unconditionally supporting them. Stop paying Egypt, stop paying Jordan, etc.
Also, we have politicians who, albeit more diplomatically and less directly (usually), shout "Death to Iran!" And we as a nation voted for them, so we're actually more culpable than the Iranian civilians who would get caught in the conflict. Does this mean Iran is justified in attacking us? We already have nukes, too! So we're even more dangerous!
It really is just disgustingly hypocritical and brazen to say we should kill Iran's leader and go to war with them because they say "Death to America." Are these people so blind they don't realize saying "War with Iran!" is the same thing?
Also, not wanting to destroy Iran is not "pro-Iran," you freaking psychopaths. I'm not pro-Iran. I'm against unnecessary wars, unnecessary deaths, and unnecessary wastes of money and resources. I don't want war with Iran, not because I love Iran, but because I love America, and hate mass death of anyone.
Bottom of the barrel are the geniuses who only recently liked Trump but don’t understand him enough to distinguish him from a Bush.
I don't even get this one. Is she saying that we need to trust Trump, and this Middle Eastern regime change war will be handled better? Trust the plan?! No, I know Trump and Bush are different...which is why I don't want Trump behaving like he's Bush!
"They hate us" is not a valid reason to declare war. And we should try to figure out why they hate us, and see if we can resolve that.
There has been so much endless meddling in the region that there can only ever be a dishonest enemy. For generations the entire region has been bombed, overthrown, installed and bombed again. Of course "they hate us" after all of that and more.
Stop meddling and let the region collapse or collect its strength. Make an honest enemy of them. If "they hate us" still prevails then the argument has merit and these people will get the war they're after to thunderous applause. But that can ONLY be true if they're an honest enemy.
Bonus points, allowing the region to gather its strength could lead to a muslim call to return to the region.
I don't give enough of a shit about the whole thing but that's more being against half arsing it. Glass it or leave it and maybe glass it later. The current rhetoric is just dumb given the politics and war circumstances in play.
Stop paying everyone basically. All the maga pretend it's such a diplomatic minefield now, and it doesn't have to be. Instead we pay off everyone and makes friends and enemies around the world doing that. If we just stay out of it there wouldn't be such a minefield.
There are actors in the MAGA movement that depend on the money they earn within that movement that have gone all in on war, because their paychecks depend on it.
Mark Levin and Sean Hannity are desperately clinging to the Boomer dispensationalist audience as if their life depends on it, because, in many ways, it does. No one else listens to them, certainly not younger people.
I admit I have difficulty with any person who can't explain why this dipshit conflict has been going on for 40 years now. My entire adult life. If Iran wanted to kill us they've had more than enough opportunities. I'm not buying your simplistic bullshit built on the backs of American ignorance and a complete embargo of anything Iranian.. from their news to their rugs, even.
I don't care to let retards like you dictate foreign policy to this country from a bully pulpit anymore. You're clearly part of the group working to destroy American from within. A couple of mullahs half the world around don't bother me.. it's the traitors in our own midst which will be our downfall.
40 years? The middle east has been a shitshow as long as it's existed. If you really want to go back (and stay in relatively modern history), the creation of Israel as a nation with clear borders pissed a bunch of people off, and they're still seething nearly a hundred years later and trying to genocide the jews.
Of course, going back further, you have various groups who tried to take over the region, some did fairly successfully (ottomans), and then going back farther you have the crusades, etc etc.
The Muslims do, in fact, hate the west, and Iran especially has a hard on for that. That's why they support terrorism constantly.
We don't need to play in the sandbox, but I'm going to be happy Israel decided to end them as a threat in the region. And secretly, everyone else there is happy they aren't getting nukes too.
Was anything I said wrong, or are you just seething because you retards get called out? Just curious.
To answer your question, I wish I got paid for this. Unfortunately, I just view as my civic duty to call out the useless inferior idiots that infest this forum and constantly screech about how the jews are behind everything.
I'm not sorry your goat molesting friends got blasted.
As the guy who was condemning Qatar before it randomly became cool, and am concerned that this shit is a false-flag form of propaganda by the Qataris themselves, diluting this criticism is not at all useful.
Qatar's influence in the US is more unchecked than Saudi Arabia and Israel because they play both sides of the coin. They promote open Jihadism & Palestinianism which gets support from the Left, and they support the military industrial complex on the Right, and play both sides of the chess board off of each other. The terrorism they promote and fund, justifies the military spending that they will be the beneficiary of. Qatar is an economic powerhouse (because of our stupidity), and are now a real player in the regional conflict for dominance between Israel, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and now them.
Nobody in MAGA is sponsored by Qatar, because nothing in MAGA benefits Qatar.
Qatar is not in opposition to the war. If they were, the US naval base that funds their country would be shut down. As with Turkey & Saudi Arabia, they are in favor of the war because it knocks Iran out of the regional struggle. Moreover, considering their connections to Iran's puppets they might take over Iran's proxies. Qatar actively supports Hamas, Hezbollah, and the PLO. It would be easy to fold them into Qatar's orbit without Iran funding them.
Israel's problem with Qatar is that they are gaining as much influence over the military industrial complex as Israel is, and that scares the shit out of them. It should scare the shit out of you because Qatar actively supports and funds international Jihadism, including fucking ISIS, as well as Leftist causes around the globe. Al-Jazeera America (AKA: AJ+) tells you whether or not Qatar is absolutely your enemy.
Qatar's influence in the US is more unchecked than Saudi Arabia and Israel because they play both sides of the coin.
I have 4.5B reasons you're wrong
And as to Qatar funding a bunch of Arab terrorist goons, we fund a state that is currently, officially doing ethnic cleansing. We also toppled Iraq, Egypt, Syria, and Lybia on behalf of said state, resulting in close to 1M dead if not over that. Let me know when Hamas passes a 1M body count.
Your ascribing Israel to GAE interests. These are not the same. The changing of governments in Egypt, Syria, Lybia, and even arguably Iraq was at the behest of the globalist objectives, not necessarily Israel. Israel benefited from Iraq and Syria, but it almost completely failed with Egypt as the Muslim Brotherhood very nearly took power with the support of the Obama administration.
Qatar's proxies are constantly engaging in ethnic cleansing because no one in the middle east opposes the idea because none of them are Liberal states. ISIS, particularly, had no objection to it.
Even with all that, your choosing to blame all deaths in all cases in those countries on Israel, via the US. You're ignoring that the actual fighters on the ground in many of those countries, whom were committing those actual massacres, were being funded by parent states... like Qatar.
For example, you're blaming the COP Speicher massacre on Israel, rather than ISIS and it's funder, because something something US involvement in 2003 something something jews.
The changing of governments in Egypt, Syria, Lybia, and even arguably Iraq was at the behest of the globalist objectives, not necessarily Israel.
Ever heard of the Clean Break memo? Let's see, who was that commissioned for... Netan... Netanyahoo...
Even with all that, your choosing to blame all deaths in all cases in those countries on Israel, via the US. You're ignoring that the actual fighters on the ground in many of those countries, whom were committing those actual massacres, were being funded by parent states... like Qatar.
"You break it, you buy it" was the line when we invaded Iraq, right?
Who could have predicted that tons of people would die in Lybia and Syria after we forced regime change? Everyone who was alive during Iraq II, obviously.
We should have been able to tell that Iraq would break down into vast sectarian violence as well, for that matter.
Yes, it looks archaic as fuck and has little to do with reality on the ground right now.
As we can see Israel is more dependent on the US now, not less. There is no Heshimite rule of Iraq, that's a total failure. Iraq is closer to Iran now than it is even the US, not Jordan. Worse, the idiot who proposed that, Ahmed Chalabi was a lying thief, was jailed for his corruption, and is now fucking dead. Syria was not confronted in Lebanon, it was confronted in Syria. Iran is confronted in Lebanon, but frankly that's because Lebanon barely has control over it's own borders since the Syrian Civil War started. Pursuing terrorists into Gaza is long since over and failed since they didn't do enough of that, then got invaded, now Israel seems to be stuck in a permanent slog in northern Gaza.
It doesn't seem to mention anything with Qatar, Saudi Arabia, or Turkey which are now much more serious players in the ME than they were when this was first drafted, and they have no answer to it.
Israel, Turkey, and Jordan are supposed to work together to achieve it's goals. Well, Jordan doesn't ever do anything, and Turkey is now an adversary.
All this shows is that Bibi is self-assured and arrogant as he is wrong.
Yes, it looks archaic as fuck and has little to do with reality on the ground right now.
Huh? The memo set goals of removing Saddam Hussein and handicapping Syria with WMD claims, as well as destabilizing other rivals. Exactly what happened!!
It's impossible for it to be "archaic as fuck." It's not a machine. It was a set of policy goals that were implemented.
Most of it's policies appear to have failed. Yes, Saddam got removed... and replaced by a pro-Iranian government, rather than supportive of Jordan.
Syria had WMD claims... eventually, after the Civil War already started, and Assad basically eliminated the claim by ending his entire WMD program in full. He almost won the war, but did eventually lose it with the help of the US and SA. WMD's weren't a destabalizing force. Syria's gone and replaced with a Jihadist regime, as if that's somehow a positive for Israel.
Yes, these seemed like a plan in 1996 and every one of these ideas took the first step... and all of the other steps failed afterwards.
Again, Turkey is an enemy of Israel at this point.
Most of it's policies appear to have failed. Yes, Saddam got removed... and replaced by a pro-Iranian government, rather than supportive of Jordan.
The policy was to remove Saddam. The policy succeeded.
Syria had WMD claims... eventually, after the Civil War already started, and Assad basically eliminated the claim by ending his entire WMD program in full.
So it weakened Assad. Aka destabilized Syria. WMDs are a massive deterrent factor.
As to your claim that Israel is worse off for each regime that has been toppled, LOL. Israel just took the Golan Heights from Syria again. They also just beat Hezbollah into the ground. Assad's fall has been very good for Israel.
"Bbbbut jihadist regime" that is weak and basically a vassal of the CIA that put it in power.
Most of it's policies appear to have failed. Yes, Saddam got removed... and replaced by a pro-Iranian government, rather than supportive of Jordan.
Syria's gone and replaced with a Jihadist regime, as if that's somehow a positive for Israel.
By the way, word is out on the flight path for the bombings now. Israeli planes are primarily striking from Iraqi airspace with a side of Syrian and Jordanian airspace. Israeli tankers are loitering over Syria. Very hostile governments to Israel!
Mossad operators also took out Iranian air defenses in a ground operation likely infiltrating through Iraq or Turkey. Or maybe Pakistan. Israel truly has no friends!!
You're a low-effort faggot who water-carries for the National Socialists who subvert the sub with worthless sophistry and ad hominem. Honestly, you're probably just someone's alt, I just don't know which one yet.
You're crying about me being dishonest about Qatari influence, yet I just walked you through part of it, and you still can't stop crying that's it's somehow "dishonest".
I find it heart breaking, but no longer unexpected that so many are so easy to fool so soon after the Iraq war, Afganistan invasion, etc. Heck, many are using the same terminology in slandering those speaking out against the hawks.
IDGAF about either Israel or Iran, but I find it very weird how fast MAGA turned into MIGA right before my eyes.
It didn't. This has caused a shitstorm within MAGA.
Yeah. Although a lot of people have shifted - and I wouldn't be completely surprised if more did if shit kicks off - there are also a bunch of people who are staunchly against this. Like, more than I've ever seen go against Trump, from his own side.
MAGA certainly isn't flipping, at least not yet. They don't want war. Which is pretty encouraging.
Catturd, who I generally enjoy for his boomer takes, has gone full on war whore.
It's insane how many people have just flipped, almost overnight.
Almost like the left flipping on their love of big corporations and pharma companies almost overnight.
I forget how, but he was already sketchy before this. I think also related to Israel. A bunch of people are just unquestioning Zionists, whether they're Jewish, or Christian, or whatever.
Is he sketchy on Israel or just a plain old boomer?
I don't think Israel has come up a lot when I've listened to him. He mostly hates RINOs and was adamantly against the Ukraine war ... and flips as soon as Israel is involved and Trump starts talking about regime change in Iran, posting taunts about the weakness of Iran.
Just surreal to watch.
Catturd is jewish
A lot of people barely remember COVID.
And a good chunk of those that do can't admit they were duped or that they or anyone else did anything wrong.
A lot of people remember breakfast so vividly they can't imagine not having had it, though.
Yeah, the typical normie is a retard who shouldn't be allowed to vote.
You are just as easily mislead if you think this hasn't become a huge point of contention
It's all so retarded.
"They hate us" is not a valid reason to declare war. And we should try to figure out why they hate us, and see if we can resolve that. Spoilers below.
Pro tip: We could make Iran hate us a lot less - enough to be even less of a threat than they currently are - and do it, not just for free, but it would actually save us money. Stop paying Israel, and stop unconditionally supporting them. Stop paying Egypt, stop paying Jordan, etc.
Also, we have politicians who, albeit more diplomatically and less directly (usually), shout "Death to Iran!" And we as a nation voted for them, so we're actually more culpable than the Iranian civilians who would get caught in the conflict. Does this mean Iran is justified in attacking us? We already have nukes, too! So we're even more dangerous!
It really is just disgustingly hypocritical and brazen to say we should kill Iran's leader and go to war with them because they say "Death to America." Are these people so blind they don't realize saying "War with Iran!" is the same thing?
Also, not wanting to destroy Iran is not "pro-Iran," you freaking psychopaths. I'm not pro-Iran. I'm against unnecessary wars, unnecessary deaths, and unnecessary wastes of money and resources. I don't want war with Iran, not because I love Iran, but because I love America, and hate mass death of anyone.
I don't even get this one. Is she saying that we need to trust Trump, and this Middle Eastern regime change war will be handled better? Trust the plan?! No, I know Trump and Bush are different...which is why I don't want Trump behaving like he's Bush!
There has been so much endless meddling in the region that there can only ever be a dishonest enemy. For generations the entire region has been bombed, overthrown, installed and bombed again. Of course "they hate us" after all of that and more.
Stop meddling and let the region collapse or collect its strength. Make an honest enemy of them. If "they hate us" still prevails then the argument has merit and these people will get the war they're after to thunderous applause. But that can ONLY be true if they're an honest enemy.
Bonus points, allowing the region to gather its strength could lead to a muslim call to return to the region.
I don't give enough of a shit about the whole thing but that's more being against half arsing it. Glass it or leave it and maybe glass it later. The current rhetoric is just dumb given the politics and war circumstances in play.
All they had to do was pay the fucking oil royalties. But no, the Big GAE thought Operation Boot was cheaper.
Stop paying everyone basically. All the maga pretend it's such a diplomatic minefield now, and it doesn't have to be. Instead we pay off everyone and makes friends and enemies around the world doing that. If we just stay out of it there wouldn't be such a minefield.
The JIDF shills are all over PDW calling anyone without a Jewish cock in their mouth a Qatari.
There are actors in the MAGA movement that depend on the money they earn within that movement that have gone all in on war, because their paychecks depend on it.
Mark Levin and Sean Hannity are desperately clinging to the Boomer dispensationalist audience as if their life depends on it, because, in many ways, it does. No one else listens to them, certainly not younger people.
Thankfully, that audience is literally dying off.
I admit I have difficulty with any person who can't explain why this dipshit conflict has been going on for 40 years now. My entire adult life. If Iran wanted to kill us they've had more than enough opportunities. I'm not buying your simplistic bullshit built on the backs of American ignorance and a complete embargo of anything Iranian.. from their news to their rugs, even.
I don't care to let retards like you dictate foreign policy to this country from a bully pulpit anymore. You're clearly part of the group working to destroy American from within. A couple of mullahs half the world around don't bother me.. it's the traitors in our own midst which will be our downfall.
Fuck this failed pseudo intellectual douchebag.
40 years? The middle east has been a shitshow as long as it's existed. If you really want to go back (and stay in relatively modern history), the creation of Israel as a nation with clear borders pissed a bunch of people off, and they're still seething nearly a hundred years later and trying to genocide the jews.
Of course, going back further, you have various groups who tried to take over the region, some did fairly successfully (ottomans), and then going back farther you have the crusades, etc etc.
The Muslims do, in fact, hate the west, and Iran especially has a hard on for that. That's why they support terrorism constantly.
We don't need to play in the sandbox, but I'm going to be happy Israel decided to end them as a threat in the region. And secretly, everyone else there is happy they aren't getting nukes too.
Do you get paid in shekels or USD? Not that there is a difference anyways but still...
Was anything I said wrong, or are you just seething because you retards get called out? Just curious.
To answer your question, I wish I got paid for this. Unfortunately, I just view as my civic duty to call out the useless inferior idiots that infest this forum and constantly screech about how the jews are behind everything.
I'm not sorry your goat molesting friends got blasted.
You don't care about terrorists. That's just how you label anyone in Israel's way.
No, that's what Hamas is, that's what Iran is, that's what you useless idiots are supporting.
But you'll never admit it, because that would mean all your endless screeching about 'muh jews' might be wrong.
That's what the Syrian government cozying up to Israel is.
Disappointing. The other replies to Dinesh are spot on.
As the guy who was condemning Qatar before it randomly became cool, and am concerned that this shit is a false-flag form of propaganda by the Qataris themselves, diluting this criticism is not at all useful.
Qatar's influence in the US is more unchecked than Saudi Arabia and Israel because they play both sides of the coin. They promote open Jihadism & Palestinianism which gets support from the Left, and they support the military industrial complex on the Right, and play both sides of the chess board off of each other. The terrorism they promote and fund, justifies the military spending that they will be the beneficiary of. Qatar is an economic powerhouse (because of our stupidity), and are now a real player in the regional conflict for dominance between Israel, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and now them.
Nobody in MAGA is sponsored by Qatar, because nothing in MAGA benefits Qatar.
Qatar is not in opposition to the war. If they were, the US naval base that funds their country would be shut down. As with Turkey & Saudi Arabia, they are in favor of the war because it knocks Iran out of the regional struggle. Moreover, considering their connections to Iran's puppets they might take over Iran's proxies. Qatar actively supports Hamas, Hezbollah, and the PLO. It would be easy to fold them into Qatar's orbit without Iran funding them.
This shit right here tells you Qatar's position on the war.
Israel's problem with Qatar is that they are gaining as much influence over the military industrial complex as Israel is, and that scares the shit out of them. It should scare the shit out of you because Qatar actively supports and funds international Jihadism, including fucking ISIS, as well as Leftist causes around the globe. Al-Jazeera America (AKA: AJ+) tells you whether or not Qatar is absolutely your enemy.
I have 4.5B reasons you're wrong
And as to Qatar funding a bunch of Arab terrorist goons, we fund a state that is currently, officially doing ethnic cleansing. We also toppled Iraq, Egypt, Syria, and Lybia on behalf of said state, resulting in close to 1M dead if not over that. Let me know when Hamas passes a 1M body count.
Your ascribing Israel to GAE interests. These are not the same. The changing of governments in Egypt, Syria, Lybia, and even arguably Iraq was at the behest of the globalist objectives, not necessarily Israel. Israel benefited from Iraq and Syria, but it almost completely failed with Egypt as the Muslim Brotherhood very nearly took power with the support of the Obama administration.
Qatar's proxies are constantly engaging in ethnic cleansing because no one in the middle east opposes the idea because none of them are Liberal states. ISIS, particularly, had no objection to it.
Even with all that, your choosing to blame all deaths in all cases in those countries on Israel, via the US. You're ignoring that the actual fighters on the ground in many of those countries, whom were committing those actual massacres, were being funded by parent states... like Qatar.
For example, you're blaming the COP Speicher massacre on Israel, rather than ISIS and it's funder, because something something US involvement in 2003 something something jews.
The Clean Break memo speaks for itself.
Ever heard of the Clean Break memo? Let's see, who was that commissioned for... Netan... Netanyahoo...
"You break it, you buy it" was the line when we invaded Iraq, right?
Who could have predicted that tons of people would die in Lybia and Syria after we forced regime change? Everyone who was alive during Iraq II, obviously.
We should have been able to tell that Iraq would break down into vast sectarian violence as well, for that matter.
Yes, it looks archaic as fuck and has little to do with reality on the ground right now.
As we can see Israel is more dependent on the US now, not less. There is no Heshimite rule of Iraq, that's a total failure. Iraq is closer to Iran now than it is even the US, not Jordan. Worse, the idiot who proposed that, Ahmed Chalabi was a lying thief, was jailed for his corruption, and is now fucking dead. Syria was not confronted in Lebanon, it was confronted in Syria. Iran is confronted in Lebanon, but frankly that's because Lebanon barely has control over it's own borders since the Syrian Civil War started. Pursuing terrorists into Gaza is long since over and failed since they didn't do enough of that, then got invaded, now Israel seems to be stuck in a permanent slog in northern Gaza.
It doesn't seem to mention anything with Qatar, Saudi Arabia, or Turkey which are now much more serious players in the ME than they were when this was first drafted, and they have no answer to it.
Israel, Turkey, and Jordan are supposed to work together to achieve it's goals. Well, Jordan doesn't ever do anything, and Turkey is now an adversary.
All this shows is that Bibi is self-assured and arrogant as he is wrong.
Huh? The memo set goals of removing Saddam Hussein and handicapping Syria with WMD claims, as well as destabilizing other rivals. Exactly what happened!!
It's impossible for it to be "archaic as fuck." It's not a machine. It was a set of policy goals that were implemented.
Most of it's policies appear to have failed. Yes, Saddam got removed... and replaced by a pro-Iranian government, rather than supportive of Jordan.
Syria had WMD claims... eventually, after the Civil War already started, and Assad basically eliminated the claim by ending his entire WMD program in full. He almost won the war, but did eventually lose it with the help of the US and SA. WMD's weren't a destabalizing force. Syria's gone and replaced with a Jihadist regime, as if that's somehow a positive for Israel.
Yes, these seemed like a plan in 1996 and every one of these ideas took the first step... and all of the other steps failed afterwards.
Again, Turkey is an enemy of Israel at this point.
The policy was to remove Saddam. The policy succeeded.
So it weakened Assad. Aka destabilized Syria. WMDs are a massive deterrent factor.
As to your claim that Israel is worse off for each regime that has been toppled, LOL. Israel just took the Golan Heights from Syria again. They also just beat Hezbollah into the ground. Assad's fall has been very good for Israel.
"Bbbbut jihadist regime" that is weak and basically a vassal of the CIA that put it in power.
By the way, word is out on the flight path for the bombings now. Israeli planes are primarily striking from Iraqi airspace with a side of Syrian and Jordanian airspace. Israeli tankers are loitering over Syria. Very hostile governments to Israel!
Mossad operators also took out Iranian air defenses in a ground operation likely infiltrating through Iraq or Turkey. Or maybe Pakistan. Israel truly has no friends!!
Yes, we know you have been 100% dishonest on this topic for a long time. Good job.
Fuck you.
You're a low-effort faggot who water-carries for the National Socialists who subvert the sub with worthless sophistry and ad hominem. Honestly, you're probably just someone's alt, I just don't know which one yet.
You're crying about me being dishonest about Qatari influence, yet I just walked you through part of it, and you still can't stop crying that's it's somehow "dishonest".