Or Hitler started WWII? Both were "preemptive strikes". Or will pro-Israel people admit that Israel started this and they're the aggressor?
Obviously, pro-Israel people will say Iran was asking for it but that's the same argument pro-Russian and pro-Hitler people use.
This attack should be adequate proof that "who started what" really doesn't matter. I never thought it mattered but I hope everyone else sees that it doesn't matter.
You're expecting hypocrites to recognise hypocrisy?
"these people who hate Jesus Christ and call the virgin Mary a whore are my greatest allies" pseudo-Christian trumptards
"It's different"
"The sole democracy in the Middle East" and "our greatest ally"
When White people are less than 50% of the voters then they will find out just how much democracy sucks
They won't actually care. Pro Iran people also don't actually care.
Historically, no one has really cared who struck first when there was ongoing conflict before. No one thought Israel and Iran were friends. They care when it comes out of nowhere between states that weren't already fighting
They don't even have a peace treaty, they never have. they were both, much like the US and N Korea for decades, officially at war already.
They were actively at war already, a hot war, not a cold war, they have both exchanged significant ordinance, more than most countries have stockpiles of, in the last 18 months. Iran has shot at least 320 ballistic missiles and 30 cruise missiles at Israel and sent 170 drones attacks in that period per Wikipedia. Israel has done airstrikes on Iran or Iranian assets at least 3 times in that period. Whatever the first strike was, it wasn't yesterday.
It is going to be interesting to see pro-Iran NPCs. I don't know that I have. One of the biggest NPCs I know is Jewish and has been crying over Ukraine for months, so it will be fun.
I think they just ignore it.
I'm not seeing a lot of pro-Israel to be honest.
There are plenty of retards on TheDonald / Patriots.
"US Will Defend Israel – Trump" | https://www.rt.com/news/619101-trump-defend-israel-iran-fox/
MIGA!
Media, of course, is framing it as a total expectation that Israel must launch attacks.
I didn't follow regular media, is CNN and FOX news on the same page?
(gasp!) How dare you criticize the chosen people of G-d!
Maybe I'm living in a bubble, but most normal people aren't frothing at the mouth about Russia anymore. "When will the killing stop" is the most common sentiment I hear.
The pro-Israel gentile rabble has also been muted ever since the "targeted carpet bombing" became apparent.
The low iq takes just don't stop coming from you retards.
Hitler explicitly committed an act of war to take over more land, and gain territory.
Russia did the same.
Israel is stopping a malicious (to us as well, though you guys ignore it) country that supports terrorism from getting nukes.
But yeah, it's all the same.
All that american taxpayer dollars and you lot can't even handle PR.
I am an American, you faggot.
I can't fix you and your faggot friends having a room temp iq along with both a jew fetish and an inferiority complex.
You need to stop letting your impulses dictate how you act. If you're representing America on the world stage, act like it instead of making enemies out of everyone and giving the globalists exactly the sort of cover that they need. You're doing the exact the sort of dumbassery that's let CAIR worm their fingers into American discourse.
Ah yes. Dumbassery like... Using facts instead of endlessly screeching about the jews.
Let me write that down if I ever get terminal brain damage, I can follow your example.
Iran deserved to get bombed. You're all useless idiots for the left.
Did it even get bombed? is my question.
Yeah, this sounds like exactly what they'd say. Good post, lol.
Don't let reality stop you from endlessly screeching about how the jews moved your stair muffin. Never has before
First line is "much Hitler expansionism"
But Israel is systemically eradicating people and taking their land. They are well beyond the 1948 borders, well beyond the 1967 borders, and currently liquidating Gaza and the west bank and putting up Jew settlements there.
Israel is systemically eradicating people and taking their land. They are well beyond the 1948 borders, well beyond the 1967 borders, and currently liquidating Gaza and the west bank and putting up Jew settlements there.
Maybe if terrorists stopped killing innocent people they wouldn't need to enforce more borders and remove the people who support them?
Just a thought. Maybe you should go over there and help your buddies, I've heard Iran has a bunch of job openings these days.
Russia is called Russia because it used to be called Rusland. Rus is a city that used to be the capital of Russia, before Moscow.
Rus is in Ukraine, because Ukraine has been part of Russia for 3,000+ years before it was shaved off in 1991 as "punishment" for the Soviets.
It would be like if Washington DC was made into a separate country.
Geopolitics is about power, not principles. That's the long and short of it.
Probably by mindlessly arguing for their side while ignoring all logic, like the way you guys say Ukraine started the war by talking to NATO.
Pretty sure the claim is generally that they started it by waging war against their ethnic Russian population, and by not respecting the Minsk Accords.
But yes, it's not hard to understand why making moves to join NATO would be extremely concerning from Russia's perspective, considering it has been promised over and over that NATO would not expand.
Ok so making a move to maybe join a defensive treaty at some point in the future is worthy of preemptive invasion, but building a nuclear weapon while your politicians chant "death to america, death to israel" in is not. Got it.
I never said that, but keep putting words in my mouth. Just commented on the blatant strawman you erected.
I don't give a shit what Israel does so long as we aren't dragged into it. Given past history I think it's reasonable to be concerned that we will be.
The subject of the thread is a comparison between Russian aggression and Israeli aggression. I said:
You replied:
In context you are drawing an equivalence between Ukrainian action (vaguely talking about joining NATO), and Iranian action (building a nuclear weapon with intent to kill everyone in Israel) in terms of justifying military action against them. If that was not your intent, feel free to just openly state that the Russian action in Ukraine is far more unreasonable than the Israeli action in Iran.
There was a fake color revolution in Ukraine. The entire fucking election was stolen. Drop boxes, paper ballots all over the place. It was a trial run for the 2020 election in USA 6 years later.
Unless you believe the 2014 was legit?
Even retarded redditors know Ukraine was couped
https://www.reddit.com/r/NeutralPolitics/comments/tg9zwp/what_evidence_exists_for_or_against_the_assertion/
Congratulations. You are even more of a political simp that redditors. You swallow the mainstream normie bullshit and repeat it even more annoyingly than they do.
Ok so having a fake election is justification for a preemptive war then? That's equivalent to building a nuke and declaring the intent to use it?
You ignored:
Fuck off.
Yeah I was being kind by not drawing attention to your delusion of things that literally no one has ever said.
Can't tell if delusional or retarded.
The only reason most of these people curse America is because you are controlled by ZOG. You live in a zionist jew controlled system. Decades of brainwashing and propaganda made you empathize for these racist inbred genocidal well poisoning puberty blocking baby killing kid fucking kikes
Every jew is just another Epstein Weinstein Madoff etc. Perverts liars hypocrites racists obnoxious Christ hating kippah clutching kikes
> You live in a zionist jew controlled system.
I actually agree with this. I would like to be done with israel entirely.
But the actions of Ukraine and the actions of Iran are not equivalent. Not remotely. Your concerns cannot be taken seriously if you fire off a all-or-nothing diatribe every time you detect a keyword. There are degrees in reality.
The conflicts in Ukraine and Iran are similar because jews are the reason there is conflict at all.
Are you defending Ukraine? They stole the election in 2014, the USA completely meddled in their sovereign nation's election, did precisely what you falsely accused Russia of doing in the 2016 election, and then you even have a kike as president in Ukraine now who is currently the dictator because he canceled the elections.
None of these wars should involve USA but again, USA is controlled by jews so of course they are going to use our White sons to be their mercenaries and our funding and taxes to pay for their bombs and weapons and there's too many willing cuckolds like yourself to cheer them on.
I realize you're getting ganged up on in this forum so i'm not trying to just pile on.
HERE'S THE ACTUAL CALL WHERE VICTORIA NULAND IS DISCUSSING ☭ SETTING UP THE COUP IN UKRAINE IN 2014 https://www.bitchute.com/video/SU7MYXclKRNa
Obama even admitted in an interview on CNN that the USA orchestrated a regime change in Ukraine.
You seem to believe a lot of normie shit. Please spend more time in c/conspiracies which has a far better track record than MAGAtards cheering on a new Israeli provoked war every couple years.
>You seem to believe a lot of normie shit.
I'm not even contesting any of your claimed facts, we're prima facie here. Assuming everything you say is true, does that justify a preemptive invasion? Millions of deaths? Is your neighbor's fake election equivalent to an existential nuclear threat?
Good question. Is trying to get Crimea worth the half trillion dollars and million lost lives? How much land is it? 50 miles of land?
Why would the USA or Europe waste half a trillion fucking dollars and a million lives fighting over 50 miles of land when the same fuckers handed over THE ENTIRE EASTERN HALF OF THE ENTIRE EUROPEAN FUCKING CONTINENT TO RUSSIA less than 100 years ago and told us "we won" ?????!?!??!??!?
Didn't you hypocrite liars promise this land to Russia after Russia saved your jew worshiping cuckold bitch asses in both WWI and WWII?
The 2014 Ukraine election was rigged and jew Victoria nuland was caught handpicking the entire fucking administration in jewkraine.
You don't seem to know much about this subject so you should probably divert your time to learning instead of talking. No one needs you to repeat normie tier jew media lies.
In this regard, Zelensky was dead on when he said he wanted Ukraine to be the Israel of Europe.
Hitler's invasion of Poland, Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and the American invasion of Iraq were not pre-emptive strikes.
Hitler's invasion of Poland was done for the purposes of conquest. There was nothing to pre-empt. It was an offensive conquest.
Putin's invasion of Ukraine was a response to a) the Coup that had removed his vassal from power, b) the aggression of the Kievan government towards the Donbass region where Russian troops were already stationed, c) the same government indicated a willingness to ally with NATO and make Ukraine a border country that would be a staunch adversary. Unless it's to pre-empt Ukraine from joining NATO, the war isn't pre-emptive. It's either a conquest or a re-conquest.
The US invasion of Iraq was offensive, and for conquest, as the US hoped it could establish a vassal in the region.
Israel's strikes on Iran are not "pre-emptive", again, except in the loosest of terms that they intend to "pre-empt" Iran from getting nukes (which they probably already have in a small number). However, it makes more sense to see it as an offensive military strike to destroy the nuclear facilities and deny Iran the ability to manufacture more weapons. This is what they did with the Osarisk reactor in Iraq when it tried to go online.
Is it "self-defense", eh, not really. Frankly if you're arguing 'self-defense' you're not being honest about the situation in the middle east right now. Israel is at War with Iran, and they have been since the October 7th attacks. Hamas is an extension of Iranian power, and probably got American abandoned weapons from Iran, from the Taliban. Iran is also currently at war with Saudi Arabia. The Houthis that Saudi Arabia has been struggling with, are also funded by Iran, and also supported operations against Israel.
Iran, for some reason, has decided to pick a fight with basically every major player in the ME that isn't named Turkey, and I wouldn't count them out if something goes sideways.
Truth is, this is one regional war involving Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey; that basically just the US is trying not to turn into a major war that drags everybody into it. The attack on Iran's reactors is just an extension of that war.
These people assassinated a random man for looking like the one of the Munich shooters
Russia attacked first. Palestine attacked first.
Israel attacked first.
Now what?