the presumed scenario is nobody leaves the box/stadium/wherever until either the Ape or the 100 are dead.
If we're thrown into a gladiator pit and told to kill it or die, I promise you the ape is dying. Maybe 50 men get beat to death or have near fatal injuries, but apes aren't endurance animals. They're good for quick bursts of violence.
This is the same equivalent of 1 full grown man vs 100 middle school kids. If you think 100 middle school kids can't swarm an adult and kill him, you're stupid.
"No, I can't tell you WHY the hallway chirps. But I can measure it. I can predict the next and following chirp. I have a very good understanding of it and that's good enough for me. I'm not distracted by the philosophical side of WHY the hallway chirps” - Neil “i be fightin that gorilla” DeGrasse Tyson
Don't underestimate the importance of morale. Humans aren't robots, after all. In both hypotheticals, every single messy death would be accompanied by more of the horde breaking away to cower on the edge of the arena.
They were told they'd be killed if they didn't attack? Compared to the sheer, pants-shitting terror of the threat currently towering in front of them, that potential future consequence won't seem near so important as "must get away".
It's very similar to the 100 middle school kids Vs an adult. In that it's not a question of physical capability, it's a question of behavior and ability to cooperate.
Stick 100 strangers together and they are extraordinarily unlikely to have the will or coordination to actually fight together effectively. Divide and conquer is real, and I've seen enough ghetto behavior to know that if 100 black guys were in a life or death situation, 90 of them would turn on each other in an instant.
That gorilla could beat them to death 1 at a time, taking a nice nap every 5 or so, over several days and they still might not manage to organize into large groups willing to fight to the death.
Yeah, when the 1 is just a regular guy. I've seen what happens when the 1 guy draws a gun and they all make the split second decision to flip and throw each other to the wolves to get away faster. Literally dragging each other down for a headstart kinda stuff. And those are guys who knew each other and pre-arranged to fight together.
I figure an enraged gorilla is even more instinctually intimidating than a guy with a gun so there's no way their solidarity with some random strangers will hold up.
In life I would much rather deal with a gorilla than the constant annoyances of niggers. Even a gorilla next door is quieter than a nigger.
If I had to fight them the gorilla would kill me and that's it. Niggers are stupid and lazy. I would tire them out and go one by one. If they did happen to kill me they would rape first and I'd rather just be killed than deal with their nigger faggotry.
Sure but the presumed scenario is nobody leaves the box/stadium/wherever until either the Ape or the 100 are dead.
If we're thrown into a gladiator pit and told to kill it or die, I promise you the ape is dying. Maybe 50 men get beat to death or have near fatal injuries, but apes aren't endurance animals. They're good for quick bursts of violence.
This is the same equivalent of 1 full grown man vs 100 middle school kids. If you think 100 middle school kids can't swarm an adult and kill him, you're stupid.
Didn't the Romans used to do this with damnatio ad bestias, literally "condemnation to beasts" as a form of execution but with a twist of entertainment by letting people watch? There's something about 100 vs a lion which I don't think ended well for the 100 even with numbers on their side.
The assumption of this is that we live in an RPG world where you can do chip damage and eventually just deplete the gorilla's HP to win over time.
Gorilla's have super thick skin. Thick enough that a human isn't doing shit to that barehandedly. Your punches will hurt you more than him, your scratches will crack your nails, and your teeth probably will be the only possible damage and almost certainly still won't draw blood. All his "weak spots" will be fiercely protected because he is a wild animal operating on instinct knowing to protect that. And most of them are either right next to his most dangerous spots (face) or super hard to reach on a moving target (genitals).
So the literal only possible way to even being to do damage is to throw wave after wave at him until he becomes so completely exhausted that he can't even move a muscle, and has no adrenaline left to boost him, leaving his softer bits completely undefended long enough for you to damage them and hope that damage bleeds him out. And magically once you finally hurt him, that adrenaline will find a backup boost and you have to repeat the cycle.
Whereas he can swing his fist and kill the one to many guys it collides with and significantly injure the numerous others they fly in to.
This is the whole fucking reason humans evolved to use tools in the first place. Because physically we were outmatched in everything but stamina, and you still need to be able to break the skin to finish off an exhausted animal.
Your post reads heavily like video game logic tbh. There's actually been a case where one single man killed a grizzly bare handed by shoving his arm down the grizzly's throat and grabbing the tongue, then holding on til it choked to death. Animals are not calm and collected machines making optimal decisions when threatened. Just need one guy to gouge the gorilla's eyes and it gets radically easier. In the real world, unlike in video games, there is no good defence against violence other than simply not getting involved with it yourself.
There's actually been a case where one single man killed a Grizzly bare handed by shoving his arm down the grizzly's throat and grabbing the tongue, then holding on til it choked to death.
I think we would be surprised at what people will do to survive, and in a group of 100 there's bound to be at least a few that could pull off some similar feat out of desperation.
That "just" is doing a lot of work here. Those are a very tiny target on a moving agitated animal. At that point you can say "just rip his dick off and wait for him to bleed out." Sure its possible, but highly unlikely to work unless we are relying heavily on luck to carry this entire hypothetical.
And even then, now its blind but still a hulking gorilla swiping wildly. What is the plan then? Its not likely to die from getting its eye gouged out and everyone is still barehanded.
So now you are back to the same square one I started at, but down half your numbers on blinding it, which is trying to find a way to actually hurt it before you run out of numbers to matter if its exhausted.
For every one guy that managed to survive an encounter with a grizzly bear, there were dozens that didn't or limped away with only luck. Relying on super cool exceptions doesn't change that much.
With 100 people you could probably just dogpile the thing and render it immobile, if nothing else. You're imagining this animal like some high level video game monster, but that's not anything like how the real world actually works.
This is accurate. The gorilla will tire. It will disorient. It will suffer this and that minor wound. It will sprain its own ankle or wrist and the people will swarm it and eventually get it on the ground and through sheer mass hold it down and either bash it's skull into the ground or simply suffocate the beast. The loss of life for most races of men is minimal even. Catastrophic for others.
As the original guy on X said, technology has made people forget what humans are actually capable of. Animals might as well be mythical beasts when your only interactions with them are in video games or movies.
Our ancestors used to hunt antelope by just chasing the thing for days until it died of exhaustion, sorry, we are the inconceivable horrors.
And you are imagining it like 100 organized individuals attacking at once, thereby giving some sort of multiplicative boost. Its a gorilla, it can just swing its arm and fuck up a few of the guys in front of it and cause the entire "dogpile" to trip and stumble or be knocked back. And if it has its back to the wall that becomes a pretty hard tactic to make work.
Its also a gorilla. 500lbs of mostly muscle. That means you need a lot of guys at the same time to immobilize it rather than it being able to just buck people off or straight grab them off its body. Gorillas can lift 1800lbs on their own, so you need about 8-10 dudes at the same time to theoretically outweigh its strength. And that's best cased scenario.
Its not a high level boss monster. It just has distinct advantages that need to be actually overcome beyond "just do <incredibly hard task in the midst maximum chaos>" or "numerically we can do one damage to it until we deplete it!"
Like, your case about shoving the arm down the throat didn't kill the bear, it just made it run away scared because the gagging fucked it up. Unless there was a whole second case that wasn't the Chase Dellwo one. So that is irrelevant to this scenario of "100v1, no one leaves until dead" because you can't just scare the gorilla off, even if that would work in a real life scenario.
And you are imagining it like 100 organized individuals attacking at once, thereby giving some sort of multiplicative boost.
For whatever it's worth saying it online, I've actually spent a solid half of my life training in some form of the martial arts, culminating in MMA. My 'imagination' is built upon actually knowing the dynamics of hand to hand combat extremely well. This question is so wildly imbalanced in favour of the 100, it's basically serving as an IQ test. That gorilla wouldn't stand a ghost of a chance, and it's not at all debatable in any realistic way. You're trying to math things out here when you don't even know what it's like to be in a fight.
And when you run out of actual responses you fall back to "I've got over 300 confirmed kills, kiddo, and I bet you've never been in a fight and also you have a low IQ."
Got it, this super retarded hypothetical scenario is incredibly important to your ego somehow.
Like I said "for whatever it's worth." It really doesn't matter a lot, but the answer is so obvious there's no point in pretending that it's arguable any other way. Your post was particularly funny because it mocked people for using video game logic while you actually used it yourself.
Yeah, amongst all groups of people save one. These are niggars we are talking about. They were hard countered by African wildlife till other civilized people came in and conquered the area. They operate on a fully emotional basis. They zerg rush and attack weak opponents. Like the man said, once the first niggar gets snapped in two, fights over. The rest will flee.
if they're exhausted they can't defend their weak spots.
we have more stamina because we can sweat to cool down and don't have fur in the way.
gorillas actually don't fight often and don't really have "skills." they rely on charges and bluffs against each other. they don't, in general, hunt, or eat meat.
Its a cornered animal, so the stamina difference is less pronounced due to us not chasing it while it runs away like most animals did when confronting humans. It absolutely will get exhausted, but not before destroying a lot of people and likely exhausting many of those remaining through sheer morale drop.
That is certainly the way humans might win in the end, but its not the same easy win as it is in the wild where we can "hunt" it instead of having to fight it.
And its a 500lb beast that can lift nearly a ton, and its terrified. It doesn't need skills, it can just blindly swipe its arms and shatter whatever part of a guy it hits.
the presumed scenario is nobody leaves the box/stadium/wherever until either the Ape or the 100 are dead.
If we're thrown into a gladiator pit and told to kill it or die, I promise you the ape is dying. Maybe 50 men get beat to death or have near fatal injuries, but apes aren't endurance animals. They're good for quick bursts of violence.
This is the same equivalent of 1 full grown man vs 100 middle school kids. If you think 100 middle school kids can't swarm an adult and kill him, you're stupid.
How would you feel if you hadn’t had breakfast this morning?
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Don't underestimate the importance of morale. Humans aren't robots, after all. In both hypotheticals, every single messy death would be accompanied by more of the horde breaking away to cower on the edge of the arena.
They were told they'd be killed if they didn't attack? Compared to the sheer, pants-shitting terror of the threat currently towering in front of them, that potential future consequence won't seem near so important as "must get away".
Muscle fatigue plays a role in every altercation, though.
It's very similar to the 100 middle school kids Vs an adult. In that it's not a question of physical capability, it's a question of behavior and ability to cooperate.
Stick 100 strangers together and they are extraordinarily unlikely to have the will or coordination to actually fight together effectively. Divide and conquer is real, and I've seen enough ghetto behavior to know that if 100 black guys were in a life or death situation, 90 of them would turn on each other in an instant.
That gorilla could beat them to death 1 at a time, taking a nice nap every 5 or so, over several days and they still might not manage to organize into large groups willing to fight to the death.
Black guys absolutely love 5v1 fights that end with concrete head stomping.
Yeah, when the 1 is just a regular guy. I've seen what happens when the 1 guy draws a gun and they all make the split second decision to flip and throw each other to the wolves to get away faster. Literally dragging each other down for a headstart kinda stuff. And those are guys who knew each other and pre-arranged to fight together.
I figure an enraged gorilla is even more instinctually intimidating than a guy with a gun so there's no way their solidarity with some random strangers will hold up.
Have you seen how africans hunt animals? Horde mentality.
Both situations I would take the gorilla.
In life I would much rather deal with a gorilla than the constant annoyances of niggers. Even a gorilla next door is quieter than a nigger.
If I had to fight them the gorilla would kill me and that's it. Niggers are stupid and lazy. I would tire them out and go one by one. If they did happen to kill me they would rape first and I'd rather just be killed than deal with their nigger faggotry.
Gorilla reservoir next door will most likely even increase your property value.
Middle school kids? I always heard that as 100 toddlers vs a grown man.
Wait is this who I think would win in that fight or who'd I rather fight?
As the former, gorilla, easy clap
The latter, 100 niggers, I think my odds are better, just need a shotgun..
Even worse, it’s basically “do you think that YOU and 99 otha niggas could beat a fully grown silverback gorilla with just your fists?”
FUCK NO, I'm sacrificing the niggas to live!
I live by the saying:
'You don't need to outrun the threat, just everyone next to you..'
As the sages say:
“Once he snap the first nigga in half who tf gone wanna go next????”
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Unfortunately running is one of the few things they're petty good at.
No.
However I do think me and 19 other White dudes could take it down.
One interesting version of the question would be just the same scenario...
Who would you rather run into alone in the woods? If armed? If unarmed?
100 dudes would win, but imagine how many would it cost them.
Sure but the presumed scenario is nobody leaves the box/stadium/wherever until either the Ape or the 100 are dead.
If we're thrown into a gladiator pit and told to kill it or die, I promise you the ape is dying. Maybe 50 men get beat to death or have near fatal injuries, but apes aren't endurance animals. They're good for quick bursts of violence.
This is the same equivalent of 1 full grown man vs 100 middle school kids. If you think 100 middle school kids can't swarm an adult and kill him, you're stupid.
There'll be about half of them left. Which half depends on where the gorilla grabs.
Didn't the Romans used to do this with damnatio ad bestias, literally "condemnation to beasts" as a form of execution but with a twist of entertainment by letting people watch? There's something about 100 vs a lion which I don't think ended well for the 100 even with numbers on their side.
The assumption of this is that we live in an RPG world where you can do chip damage and eventually just deplete the gorilla's HP to win over time.
Gorilla's have super thick skin. Thick enough that a human isn't doing shit to that barehandedly. Your punches will hurt you more than him, your scratches will crack your nails, and your teeth probably will be the only possible damage and almost certainly still won't draw blood. All his "weak spots" will be fiercely protected because he is a wild animal operating on instinct knowing to protect that. And most of them are either right next to his most dangerous spots (face) or super hard to reach on a moving target (genitals).
So the literal only possible way to even being to do damage is to throw wave after wave at him until he becomes so completely exhausted that he can't even move a muscle, and has no adrenaline left to boost him, leaving his softer bits completely undefended long enough for you to damage them and hope that damage bleeds him out. And magically once you finally hurt him, that adrenaline will find a backup boost and you have to repeat the cycle.
Whereas he can swing his fist and kill the one to many guys it collides with and significantly injure the numerous others they fly in to.
This is the whole fucking reason humans evolved to use tools in the first place. Because physically we were outmatched in everything but stamina, and you still need to be able to break the skin to finish off an exhausted animal.
Your post reads heavily like video game logic tbh. There's actually been a case where one single man killed a grizzly bare handed by shoving his arm down the grizzly's throat and grabbing the tongue, then holding on til it choked to death. Animals are not calm and collected machines making optimal decisions when threatened. Just need one guy to gouge the gorilla's eyes and it gets radically easier. In the real world, unlike in video games, there is no good defence against violence other than simply not getting involved with it yourself.
I think we would be surprised at what people will do to survive, and in a group of 100 there's bound to be at least a few that could pull off some similar feat out of desperation.
That "just" is doing a lot of work here. Those are a very tiny target on a moving agitated animal. At that point you can say "just rip his dick off and wait for him to bleed out." Sure its possible, but highly unlikely to work unless we are relying heavily on luck to carry this entire hypothetical.
And even then, now its blind but still a hulking gorilla swiping wildly. What is the plan then? Its not likely to die from getting its eye gouged out and everyone is still barehanded.
So now you are back to the same square one I started at, but down half your numbers on blinding it, which is trying to find a way to actually hurt it before you run out of numbers to matter if its exhausted.
For every one guy that managed to survive an encounter with a grizzly bear, there were dozens that didn't or limped away with only luck. Relying on super cool exceptions doesn't change that much.
With 100 people you could probably just dogpile the thing and render it immobile, if nothing else. You're imagining this animal like some high level video game monster, but that's not anything like how the real world actually works.
This is accurate. The gorilla will tire. It will disorient. It will suffer this and that minor wound. It will sprain its own ankle or wrist and the people will swarm it and eventually get it on the ground and through sheer mass hold it down and either bash it's skull into the ground or simply suffocate the beast. The loss of life for most races of men is minimal even. Catastrophic for others.
As the original guy on X said, technology has made people forget what humans are actually capable of. Animals might as well be mythical beasts when your only interactions with them are in video games or movies.
Our ancestors used to hunt antelope by just chasing the thing for days until it died of exhaustion, sorry, we are the inconceivable horrors.
And you are imagining it like 100 organized individuals attacking at once, thereby giving some sort of multiplicative boost. Its a gorilla, it can just swing its arm and fuck up a few of the guys in front of it and cause the entire "dogpile" to trip and stumble or be knocked back. And if it has its back to the wall that becomes a pretty hard tactic to make work.
Its also a gorilla. 500lbs of mostly muscle. That means you need a lot of guys at the same time to immobilize it rather than it being able to just buck people off or straight grab them off its body. Gorillas can lift 1800lbs on their own, so you need about 8-10 dudes at the same time to theoretically outweigh its strength. And that's best cased scenario.
Its not a high level boss monster. It just has distinct advantages that need to be actually overcome beyond "just do <incredibly hard task in the midst maximum chaos>" or "numerically we can do one damage to it until we deplete it!"
Like, your case about shoving the arm down the throat didn't kill the bear, it just made it run away scared because the gagging fucked it up. Unless there was a whole second case that wasn't the Chase Dellwo one. So that is irrelevant to this scenario of "100v1, no one leaves until dead" because you can't just scare the gorilla off, even if that would work in a real life scenario.
For whatever it's worth saying it online, I've actually spent a solid half of my life training in some form of the martial arts, culminating in MMA. My 'imagination' is built upon actually knowing the dynamics of hand to hand combat extremely well. This question is so wildly imbalanced in favour of the 100, it's basically serving as an IQ test. That gorilla wouldn't stand a ghost of a chance, and it's not at all debatable in any realistic way. You're trying to math things out here when you don't even know what it's like to be in a fight.
And when you run out of actual responses you fall back to "I've got over 300 confirmed kills, kiddo, and I bet you've never been in a fight and also you have a low IQ."
Got it, this super retarded hypothetical scenario is incredibly important to your ego somehow.
Like I said "for whatever it's worth." It really doesn't matter a lot, but the answer is so obvious there's no point in pretending that it's arguable any other way. Your post was particularly funny because it mocked people for using video game logic while you actually used it yourself.
Yeah, amongst all groups of people save one. These are niggars we are talking about. They were hard countered by African wildlife till other civilized people came in and conquered the area. They operate on a fully emotional basis. They zerg rush and attack weak opponents. Like the man said, once the first niggar gets snapped in two, fights over. The rest will flee.
if they're exhausted they can't defend their weak spots.
we have more stamina because we can sweat to cool down and don't have fur in the way.
gorillas actually don't fight often and don't really have "skills." they rely on charges and bluffs against each other. they don't, in general, hunt, or eat meat.
they're fucking slow.
Its a cornered animal, so the stamina difference is less pronounced due to us not chasing it while it runs away like most animals did when confronting humans. It absolutely will get exhausted, but not before destroying a lot of people and likely exhausting many of those remaining through sheer morale drop.
That is certainly the way humans might win in the end, but its not the same easy win as it is in the wild where we can "hunt" it instead of having to fight it.
And its a 500lb beast that can lift nearly a ton, and its terrified. It doesn't need skills, it can just blindly swipe its arms and shatter whatever part of a guy it hits.
If you're allowed to pick up rocks that gorilla is fucking dead.
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I want to see this!