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New version of the “would you rather be alone in the woods with a man or a bear” question just dropped (i.redd.it)
posted 1 year ago by Graphenium 1 year ago by Graphenium +88 / -0
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– Adamrises 6 points 1 year ago +6 / -0

The assumption of this is that we live in an RPG world where you can do chip damage and eventually just deplete the gorilla's HP to win over time.

Gorilla's have super thick skin. Thick enough that a human isn't doing shit to that barehandedly. Your punches will hurt you more than him, your scratches will crack your nails, and your teeth probably will be the only possible damage and almost certainly still won't draw blood. All his "weak spots" will be fiercely protected because he is a wild animal operating on instinct knowing to protect that. And most of them are either right next to his most dangerous spots (face) or super hard to reach on a moving target (genitals).

So the literal only possible way to even being to do damage is to throw wave after wave at him until he becomes so completely exhausted that he can't even move a muscle, and has no adrenaline left to boost him, leaving his softer bits completely undefended long enough for you to damage them and hope that damage bleeds him out. And magically once you finally hurt him, that adrenaline will find a backup boost and you have to repeat the cycle.

Whereas he can swing his fist and kill the one to many guys it collides with and significantly injure the numerous others they fly in to.

This is the whole fucking reason humans evolved to use tools in the first place. Because physically we were outmatched in everything but stamina, and you still need to be able to break the skin to finish off an exhausted animal.

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– Sumsuch 13 points 1 year ago +13 / -0

Your post reads heavily like video game logic tbh. There's actually been a case where one single man killed a grizzly bare handed by shoving his arm down the grizzly's throat and grabbing the tongue, then holding on til it choked to death. Animals are not calm and collected machines making optimal decisions when threatened. Just need one guy to gouge the gorilla's eyes and it gets radically easier. In the real world, unlike in video games, there is no good defence against violence other than simply not getting involved with it yourself.

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– TriangleGang 8 points 1 year ago +8 / -0

There's actually been a case where one single man killed a Grizzly bare handed by shoving his arm down the grizzly's throat and grabbing the tongue, then holding on til it choked to death.

I think we would be surprised at what people will do to survive, and in a group of 100 there's bound to be at least a few that could pull off some similar feat out of desperation.

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– Adamrises 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

Just need one guy to gouge the gorilla's eyes

That "just" is doing a lot of work here. Those are a very tiny target on a moving agitated animal. At that point you can say "just rip his dick off and wait for him to bleed out." Sure its possible, but highly unlikely to work unless we are relying heavily on luck to carry this entire hypothetical.

And even then, now its blind but still a hulking gorilla swiping wildly. What is the plan then? Its not likely to die from getting its eye gouged out and everyone is still barehanded.

So now you are back to the same square one I started at, but down half your numbers on blinding it, which is trying to find a way to actually hurt it before you run out of numbers to matter if its exhausted.

For every one guy that managed to survive an encounter with a grizzly bear, there were dozens that didn't or limped away with only luck. Relying on super cool exceptions doesn't change that much.

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– Sumsuch 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

With 100 people you could probably just dogpile the thing and render it immobile, if nothing else. You're imagining this animal like some high level video game monster, but that's not anything like how the real world actually works.

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– Roleplaypete 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

This is accurate. The gorilla will tire. It will disorient. It will suffer this and that minor wound. It will sprain its own ankle or wrist and the people will swarm it and eventually get it on the ground and through sheer mass hold it down and either bash it's skull into the ground or simply suffocate the beast. The loss of life for most races of men is minimal even. Catastrophic for others.

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– Adamrises 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

And you are imagining it like 100 organized individuals attacking at once, thereby giving some sort of multiplicative boost. Its a gorilla, it can just swing its arm and fuck up a few of the guys in front of it and cause the entire "dogpile" to trip and stumble or be knocked back. And if it has its back to the wall that becomes a pretty hard tactic to make work.

Its also a gorilla. 500lbs of mostly muscle. That means you need a lot of guys at the same time to immobilize it rather than it being able to just buck people off or straight grab them off its body. Gorillas can lift 1800lbs on their own, so you need about 8-10 dudes at the same time to theoretically outweigh its strength. And that's best cased scenario.

Its not a high level boss monster. It just has distinct advantages that need to be actually overcome beyond "just do <incredibly hard task in the midst maximum chaos>" or "numerically we can do one damage to it until we deplete it!"

Like, your case about shoving the arm down the throat didn't kill the bear, it just made it run away scared because the gagging fucked it up. Unless there was a whole second case that wasn't the Chase Dellwo one. So that is irrelevant to this scenario of "100v1, no one leaves until dead" because you can't just scare the gorilla off, even if that would work in a real life scenario.

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– KingLion7 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

Yeah, amongst all groups of people save one. These are niggars we are talking about. They were hard countered by African wildlife till other civilized people came in and conquered the area. They operate on a fully emotional basis. They zerg rush and attack weak opponents. Like the man said, once the first niggar gets snapped in two, fights over. The rest will flee.

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– akira2501 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

if they're exhausted they can't defend their weak spots.

we have more stamina because we can sweat to cool down and don't have fur in the way.

gorillas actually don't fight often and don't really have "skills." they rely on charges and bluffs against each other. they don't, in general, hunt, or eat meat.

they're fucking slow.

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– Adamrises 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Its a cornered animal, so the stamina difference is less pronounced due to us not chasing it while it runs away like most animals did when confronting humans. It absolutely will get exhausted, but not before destroying a lot of people and likely exhausting many of those remaining through sheer morale drop.

That is certainly the way humans might win in the end, but its not the same easy win as it is in the wild where we can "hunt" it instead of having to fight it.

And its a 500lb beast that can lift nearly a ton, and its terrified. It doesn't need skills, it can just blindly swipe its arms and shatter whatever part of a guy it hits.

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