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A joy ride in a stolen car ends as kids kill a bicyclist. Should they face murder charges (archive.ph)
posted 1 year ago by Mpetey123 1 year ago by Mpetey123 +42 / -0
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– dagthegnome 28 points 1 year ago +28 / -0

The common-sense part of me that thinks of course they should be charged with murder is just barely winning out against the part of me that actually hates bicyclists almost that much.

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– Kienan 21 points 1 year ago +21 / -0

I will say, there's a difference between bicyclists and...cyclists. I need to know more details.

Also, jokes aside, the victim was 63, probably just trying to stay fit and healthy.

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– SarcasticRidley 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

Cyclists aren't people

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– stalememes 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

From the article it sounds like he rode properly in the bike lane, so, for once in my life, I'm on the side of the bicyclist.

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– MargarineMongoose 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Bike lanes aren't real.

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– Mpetey123 [S] 17 points 1 year ago +17 / -0

According to comments there is additional context. The cyclist was a former police chief. And the teens were 2 blacks, and the child of illegals.

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– XBX_X 15 points 1 year ago +15 / -0

No, you're confused with another case. THIS case. This exact same situation happened last October in Las Vegas.

The victim in the case you posted (in New Mexico) worked at Sandia National Laboratories.

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– Mpetey123 [S] 9 points 1 year ago +9 / -0

It appears I did trust in the comments too much.

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– AntonioOfVenice 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

How does this keep happening?

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– XBX_X 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

Diversity and shit, nigga!

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– MargarineMongoose 17 points 1 year ago +17 / -0

I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that these aren't in fact people, but the usual feral animals that are pretty much always responsible for these kinds of events. If that's the case then you don't charge them with anything because they aren't human, you just put the rabid animal down.

I'm so tired of pretending all the bipedal creatures in the world are people and deserving of rights or considerations beyond what their immediate behavior warrants.

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– AntonioOfVenice 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

An 11-year-old boy in the passenger seat waved a handgun and laughed as his side of the vehicle struck the cyclist.

It's all Social Economic Status. If he had a little more pocket money, he wouldn't have been doing this.

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– Kienan 12 points 1 year ago +12 / -0

Absofuckinglutely.

They stole a car, and had guns. Not sure if it was a carjacking, or they were just playing around with guns after the fact in the stolen car, but they also laughed about hitting the man.

Unironically, go Starship Troopers on these antisocial psychopaths. Public beatings and shaming, followed by jail. Parent too. Parents, plural, if you can find the dad.

Also, "joy ride" is such a fucking stupid term.

Months later, an anonymous tip would lead investigators to Instagram, where a video was circulating that appears to show Scott Dwight Habermehl, 63, being mowed down by a car with three boys inside. The video captured a disturbing conversation with a 13-year-old driver and now 16-year-old boy discussing hitting Habermehl, police said. An 11-year-old boy in the passenger seat waved a handgun and laughed as his side of the vehicle struck the cyclist.

I don't even have words to strongly enough condemn these...youths.

The arrests come after a rise in homicides committed by children driven in part by social media, loss of supports during the pandemic and an increase in the availability of guns. The shocking, deadly joyride in a stolen car in New Mexico has once again raised questions about how to hold children responsible for violent crimes.

So, it's social media, and not enough government assistance, gotcha. Also, has anyone ever heard it explained how "the availability of guns" has risen? They just always state it as fact, without explaining. We've always had guns, and they've always been available. They used to be more available to children. This is simply more anti-gun nonsense. And, to answer the last bit, you hold child criminals responsible the same way you hold adult criminals responsible.

When young people commit violent acts, prosecutors across the country are increasingly widening the scope of accountability to include educators, parents and others who fail to report concerning behavior, sometimes in addition to or in lieu of charging the children themselves.

I will say, I think that's an incredibly dangerous and very slippery slope. There are instances where the parents should be held responsible, but it's for enabling the behavior, not failing to rat out their own family or whatever. Not giving them guns, unless done with the explicit purpose of committing criminal acts. Mandatory reporting is bullshit, when talking within the family especially. If I had a child who was acting violent, I'm certainly going to try to handle that myself, before involving the government.

For example, in Virginia, an assistant principal and a mother faced charges after a 6-year-old shot his first grade teacher in 2023. Parents have also faced prison time and criminal charges after school shootings in Michigan and Georgia.

Yeah, those were shit parents, but not necessarily criminal. Again, they got them for allowing access to guns, or for not engaging in compelled speech, as I recall.

...homicides committed by children have risen dramatically, jumping 65% from 315 in 2016 to 521 in 2022...

All stats after 2020 are even more useless than they ever were. This doesn't show a trend, this shows they fucked society sideways during the Pandemic™.

Experts have told USA TODAY the COVID-19 pandemic helped create the conditions for the increase.

Nope. Government. The flu doesn't cause an increase in violence. Government enforced insanity and isolation does.

Americans bought tens of millions of guns, which may be easier for kids to access than parents realize, while children temporarily lost access to key social supports in their communities like violence prevention programs and spent more time online, where experts warn threats and taunts can escalate into deadly conflict.

Guns, social media, and lack of government gibs are to blame still!

Still, experts emphasized that screen time – or other individual factors – can't be entirely to blame.

"Entirely." LOL.

“The important issue here is any one of these things in isolation doesn't have the impact,”

"Isolation." Hilarious word choice.

Deadly attacks by young people have been captured on video and shared on social media before.

The young people at it again!

In September, four Las Vegas teenagers plead guilty to voluntary manslaughter for beating their classmate to death in a violent assault that was recorded and posted online.

Yeah.

Muhammad said disputes between kids sometimes originate online, where children and adults alike can make threats and talk about weapons.

They can talk! Freely and shit!

Yurcic told USA TODAY the main factors that put children at risk of committing violent crimes include poverty, mental health struggles, and being exposed to the criminal justice system or addiction at home.

There are, uhm, other factors. But moving on.

But she said social media has also been a huge factor in the majority of her juvenile cases...

And how many kids are on social media? Damn near all of them, so this is fucking worthless.

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– current_horror 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

Torturing stats is one of the main pastimes of the left, so of course they spun “unprecedented murders committed by 16 and 17 year old black gang members” into “firearms leading cause of death for children”.

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– Mpetey123 [S] 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

I think maybe you meant to post here

https://m.communities.win/c/KotakuInAction2/p/19Ae8ZcDSz/

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– Shill4Hire 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

"helped create the conditions"

Such weasel words they use. COVID "helped create the conditions" by giving the government an excuse to go full authoritarian dictatorship for a brief stint, and lo and behold, authoritarian dictatorships doing policed lockdowns are "the condition" that COVID helped to create in making this a problem!

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– DemolitionsPanda 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Hey remember! Cyclists aren't even people! They totally deserve this!

lol!

I'll have my 25 upvotes now!

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– XBX_X 10 points 1 year ago +10 / -0

Literally the same thing happened TWICE in October last year.

USA: Las Vegas teen linked to carjacking before he intentionally killed bicyclist

UK: Murderer who drove stolen car into cyclist jailed

Neither perps is White, obviously.

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– current_horror 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

Empathy is heritable.

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– TheOutlaw 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

I doubt they would be able to prove the intent necessary to make a murder charge stick. Felony murder laws cover this kind of scenario, but I don't know those are a thing in New Mexico.

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– ParadigmShift2070 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

N

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– alucard13mmfmj 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

If children can trans at age 9 because they know and understand... then certainly they should be charged as adults that know right from wrong and understand.

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– Sneak_King 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

They should face the wall.

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– rentfREEEE_since2016 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

“Young people”

You mean niggers?

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– ApparentlyImAHeretic 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

should they face murder charges

I believe the correct term is manslaughter. their reckless actions led to the death of someone, we have laws for this.

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– AntonioOfVenice 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

It's one step above that. I have no idea about the common law part of it, but when you intentionally accept the significant risk that someone will get killed as a result of your unlawful actions, that counts as murder in some European countries. E.g. I can't shoot randomly into a crowd and then argue that I wasn't intending to kill someone.

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– DemolitionsPanda 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

The step is planning.

Planning shows deliberate action; which shows intent. That is murder.

Reckless or negligent action that could foreseeably result in death which then does result in death is manslaughter.

If the video shows him swerving for the cyclist then that would show intent. If there comes to light testimony about how the youths discussed running over some pedestrians / cyclists before they got into the car ... then that would be planning, which would show intent.

Personally I think that their genetic line should be erased to four generations; but I am notoriously intolerant of this kind of shit.

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– norwegianwikin 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Felony murder all around

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– Ricky_CIA 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

They can pick: lobotomy or free helicopter flight lesson

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– realerfunction 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

just send them to el salvador. we don't need this scum.

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Neither does El Salvador.

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