There's a part of the story where demons are negotiating peace between a town and attacking demon forces. As soon as Frieren hears of this, she says the town is doomed.
Moral of the story is if your problems are caused by a group, don't expect a member of that same group to help you solve that problem.
Given the allegory you're trying to make here it's very funny to me that Frieren's canonical super power is literally hiding her power level.
Ironic then, that she shows the continued use of hiding your power level until crucial moments and using that to flip the table on people and manipulate them, while the guy talking about the allegory is a walking example of someone who cannot stop sperging about his power level every moment of the day to the point of turning off people who agree with him.
I'm actually really glad we have fags like Antonio and Gizortnik in this community because posts like theirs are a shining example of why Frieren's attitude towards demons is relevant.
Don't forget ghostfox and imp.
Imp is especially funny since he'll defend trannies and say they're just innocent victims of feminist ideology and don't deserve to be shamed for their degeneracy.
Then he'll immediately turn around and say that "stormfags" should all be killed because they've all been brainwashed by women to be antisemitic.
I don't think imp really counts as "here" anymore, he's banned over 90% of the time these days
Reminder that Antonio is brown and a female.
The demons weren’t even negotiating peace. They were trying to infiltrate
The anime Frieren has the advantage of being very recent and incredibly popular with normies, but this isn't the first time when anime tackled the subject when the outside forces tried to mingle with the local town. I think the anime Shiki actually had the new folks being friendly and peaceful with the local town.
But the humans thought they were, that's the important part.
They only learned to speak our language(s) in order to better trick us and kill us. They learned about our penchant for peacefulness and used that as a weapon too.
The demons cannot "coexist" with humans because they never wanted anything remotely like that. We are food and play-toys to them. It is only humans who want peace.
This is exactly the same for Islam: they're allowed, by Allah!, to lie to us heathen. Anything they say to advance the establishment of the global Caliphate is not a sin, it is a duty!
Not really. The impt part is op didn't mention that part in his opening text, which leaves all your context and the fact the demons were faking it out.
But yes, the demons in frieren can't be trusted. Can't wait till they animate the macht arc and leftists scream
I didn't mention the context because i thought i didn't have to explain this.
The difference being demons in frieren are literal demons. they are in fact not human and don't have any illusions otherwise.
Lets be honest. The demons are allegories of real human world issues. . its obvious.
not in this show. They are explicitly inhuman and prey on human niceties to eat people. Its mentioned multiple times.
The fact that the fictional characters are monsters doesn't mean they can't have been inspired by real life groups of humans who prey on human kindness. Europe is currently being flooded by such.
They really aren’t. Just like leftists keep saying theyre minority stand ins, they’re not. They are literal demons. Not everything needs to be related to modern day issues
Just go read drama queen
Demons in Frieren are deceivers who scream "help" and pretend to be helpless , to get people to let their guard down and they take advantage of people's empathy, and the town's people who are dumb enough to fall for their tricks ends up meeting a bad end .
Tell me the author wasn't thinking about real world issues here.
The author explicitly states that they are monsters, not humans. I don't know how many times I can repeat this without going insane.
You’re telling me the author didn’t say something that he knew would immediately destroy his entire life? That’s crazy!
I’m not saying one way or the other. I’m just saying that your standard of evidence is retarded.
Did you even read frieren
no, they just share what they see on c/funny
saying demons in frieren are an allegory for any group of people is like saying mimics are the same kind of allegory. it's retarded.
The whole point is that they are still monsters, even though they act like people. this is very different from people who are manipulative, but otherwise still people.
Ever heard of "The Handmaid's Tale"? Atwood used to openly say it was based on Islam.
No one EVER says that any longer...
It is possible the same thing is going on here: you just don't say the "I-word" out loud or the Jihadists will eventually get you. Just ask Salman Rushdie. (Who, by all accounts, is a weapons-grade asshole and richly deserves the decades of horror he brought on himself)
He’s trying to say that Frieren’s Demons = Jews, if you didn’t already get it
I figured, the flaw in his logic that Jews are human and frieren's demons are not
He's wrong if that's the case. The Demons are Muslims.
it can technically work for both but in this instance i dont see muslims leading right wing movements in the West to try to negotiate peace with other muslims. I do see jews leading right wing movements in the West to deal with leftist movements in the West that are often led by jews though.
Um, that's not the issue here?
Obviously they are monsters, not human. So are the followers of Islam.
I'm NOT claiming the creator of this show or anyone involved thinks that, but to ME it's blatant. I think that's what others here are saying too.
No, they’re saying they’re jews
Dude you know that’s basic manipulation. It’s not specific to Jews
Demons are not analogous to orcs because the Bible isn’t lord of the rings. There are good reasons to parse biblical demons as representative of real world evil.
This is not to say that these anime demons are Jews. I just think your equivalency is inaccurate.
They’re not biblical demons either
Was the town doomed? Was it doomed because the town tried negotiating, or because the demons were going to eat it anyway? Did the effort to negotiate increase hostilities? Did negotiating remove strategic resources that caused a problem? I think we need to know before we can accurately assign your moral to the story.
The demons are consummate liars. They don't even understand the concept of family, but they realized that pitifully crying out 'mother' when about to be slain can cause humans to hesitate, or even be merciful. The peace negotiations were a trojan horse, a chance to fortify their forces, implant saboteurs, assassinate leaders, and undermine defenses from within.
the negotiating demons were an advance force looking to get the town's defenses down so their waiting zombie army could waltz in and slaughter everything alive.
The negotiations allowed the infiltration of scouts/spys into the town. They could openly reconnoiter for the upcoming invading army. Or just kill everyone themselves, hard to say.
Once they let them in? The town was doomed if they didn't immediately kill them and (possibly) prepare for the onslaught.
I'm not sure if the Demons ever said if they were advance troops or planning to wipe the town out themselves, just the 3 of them.
Who abolished slavery?
Who started chattel slavery to begin with?
Tell me. The Greeks are the earliest I know of, but I assume it began in prehistory.
*Buzz
Wrongo. Greek and Roman traditions of slavery were very, very different from the modern notion of slavery, which is better referred to as chattel slavery.
In that Greek slavery was worse, yes. You'd much rather be a slave on a plantation than be one in the silver mines, being worked to death.
Far longer than there have been "humans" there has been slavery. Our pre-human ancestors were smart enough to know that forcing someone else to do hard work for you was a good idea. & etc.
Note: we humans are homo sapiens and there were lots of other "proto-humans" before we arrived.
White people but 99% of Whites were not slave owners and Whites have an empathy that majority of other groups do not. Now who owned the slave ships?
I am noticing AoV replying to everything except the salient question.
And (as always) noticing the evasion becomes very tiresome. ("Gradually...")
Aside from the Arabic (Islamist) ones? The Portuguese did... most of them.
Almost every seafaring nation had them, I presume, but not in numbers like the Dutch, Belgians and Portuguese. (And Muslims, obviously.)
Yes, but what percentage of slave owners where whites?
So it is right to ask 'the group' causing a problem to solve it. Turns out, groups aren't monolithic. Who knew?
No? I'm sure this is based on rigorous evidence and that you're not just saying things.
Holy shit, the "muh per capita" argument comes to KiA2.
Should have assumed that you'd be the one to bring it.
I guess I shouldn't point out that 56% of homicides in the US are committed by...
...by 76% of the population?
And it is far less than 56% by Whites.
2017 FBI Data: 17,215 murders. 5,125 by Whites, 6,444 by Blacks, 315 by "other" and 5,368 by "unknown.
Any way you try to slice it? The ratio is 43% White, 57% by other races.
You know , you argueing with me on this issue is pretty much proving my point.
Your point being that you have nothing of substance to say?
Though I'll admit that it's funny that you didn't know what happened in 1492. Nothing can top that.
You are really bad at this.
I mean technically, there is STILL slavery in the world. Human trafficking ring is basically slavery, too. Do you know who are most likely behind running trafficking ring?
FAR UNDER HALF. NEXT QUESTION.
Muslims owned & traded far more slaves than Europeans ever did. In fact Muslims took more (White) Europeans as slaves than the Europeans (combined, including Americans) ever took from Africa or anywhere else.