Declare a constitutional crisis, suspend habeas corpus, jail every single government employee/ judge/ politician that has fought the audit and seize all their assets. If Lincoln could do it over slavery we should easily do it over the blatant high sedition and government violations of the constitution.
Your first point is true. And the south did themselves a disservice firing first. But we both know Lincoln goaded the south. Still fair play, they fired first.
And while Lincoln said he would sign the Corwin amendment that didn't deal with the issue of the expansion of slavery.
Lincoln said he was going to withdraw troops from Fort Sumpter. Instead he sent reinforcements and supplies. The south fired first because they weren't idiots.
And if they hadn't fired first, would the union troops have packed up their supplies and munitions and shipped out on their warships? Because that's the only situation in which it would have been a trap. It was an act of war.
I don't know that he did. As far as I know, he was grossly misinformed about pro-Unionist sentiment in the south and he believed that it would rear its head... rather than wanting a full out war.
And while Lincoln said he would sign the Corwin amendment that didn't deal with the issue of the expansion of slavery.
Was it an issue? Why should the Republicans, who had just won an election running on stopping the expansion of slavery, 'deal with' that in any way other than by fulfilling their campaign promises?
You got your history backwards there, Lincoln had no constitutional authority to declare the states federal property. Lincoln committed insurrection by not allowing peaceful succession, which is exactly why he suspended habeas corpus.
Sure, unless you forget that it was Lincoln again that violated the terms by intentionally putting warships in charlestons waters under the guise of “supplying Sumter”. Again he went out of his way to push the south until they got sick of it.
it was Lincoln again that violated the terms by intentionally putting warships in charlestons waters under the guise of “supplying Sumter”.
What terms specifically? He was not recognizing the secession because he claimed it was illegal. So of course he's going to continue supplying Sumter. The interesting thing is that he proclaimed that he was going to continue enforcing all federal laws, though he never did because he couldn't.
Elon should tweet that the judge is obviously hiding some kind of criminal conspiracy, and that he will now direct his team to find out what it is. "Don't like it? Go ahead and sue me, Paul. Discovery is a bitch."
They really are falling back on their first term successes and just saying "nope!" while some random judge blocks it for them to win all their battles. As if Trump didn't expect that and likely already is moving against those who do, if it wasn't bait to begin with for him to roll out such plans on all his movements.
He literally walked into the election with a fleet of secret election watchers and lawyers to avoid one of his prior mistakes. Its absolutely foolish to think his foresight stopped there and these types of actions weren't within his plan.
And that's not even me giving some God Emperor 4D Chess praise to him. Its literal basic pattern recognition and things he has already done showing he can do that.
Declare a constitutional crisis, suspend habeas corpus, jail every single government employee/ judge/ politician that has fought the audit and seize all their assets. If Lincoln could do it over slavery we should easily do it over the blatant high sedition and government violations of the constitution.
I hope he does - because this judicial overreach sounds exactly like judge moraes did in Brazil…
Lincoln did it over insurrection. An actual one.
In general, I'd say such measures are best employed as a last rather than first resort.
What insurrection was the actual one? And what measures did Lincoln try before destroying the country?
Your first point is true. And the south did themselves a disservice firing first. But we both know Lincoln goaded the south. Still fair play, they fired first.
And while Lincoln said he would sign the Corwin amendment that didn't deal with the issue of the expansion of slavery.
Lincoln said he was going to withdraw troops from Fort Sumpter. Instead he sent reinforcements and supplies. The south fired first because they weren't idiots.
Yeah that's the trap. Who would fire first.
And if they hadn't fired first, would the union troops have packed up their supplies and munitions and shipped out on their warships? Because that's the only situation in which it would have been a trap. It was an act of war.
I don't know that he did. As far as I know, he was grossly misinformed about pro-Unionist sentiment in the south and he believed that it would rear its head... rather than wanting a full out war.
Was it an issue? Why should the Republicans, who had just won an election running on stopping the expansion of slavery, 'deal with' that in any way other than by fulfilling their campaign promises?
Because it cost him a plurality of states.
You got your history backwards there, Lincoln had no constitutional authority to declare the states federal property. Lincoln committed insurrection by not allowing peaceful succession, which is exactly why he suspended habeas corpus.
Secession. I confuse the words all the time.
You mean to say that there is a ban on seceding?
Regardless of what you think of Lincoln, can you at least admit that it was a very stupid mistake to attack Ft. Sumter?
It was a mistake. And Lincoln was smart enough to set the trap up, and the South bit.
Sure, unless you forget that it was Lincoln again that violated the terms by intentionally putting warships in charlestons waters under the guise of “supplying Sumter”. Again he went out of his way to push the south until they got sick of it.
The South: Don't do this or else.
Lincoln: *Does that.*
The South: I guess it's time for that 'or else' part!
Dipshits: Hurr, the South started it!!!!!
What terms specifically? He was not recognizing the secession because he claimed it was illegal. So of course he's going to continue supplying Sumter. The interesting thing is that he proclaimed that he was going to continue enforcing all federal laws, though he never did because he couldn't.
That was the result of the American Civil War, yes. States can no longer decide to leave the union.
Honestly Antonio, what the judge is doing looks pretty damn insurrectionist to me.
What better time to do it then right at the height of government corruption being exposed?
What do you want to do, wait until they have enough time to cover it all up?
Lincoln is not the correct path here because a Civil War only strengthens their position among their supporters.
Do what Andrew Jackson did against his Deep State:
"The judge has made his decision, now let him enforce it".
Engelmayer …..
Every
German?
Try again
Kick this guy out of his position and figure out who he’s covering for and what this person is hiding.
Elon should tweet that the judge is obviously hiding some kind of criminal conspiracy, and that he will now direct his team to find out what it is. "Don't like it? Go ahead and sue me, Paul. Discovery is a bitch."
Lmao does this dude think he can actually run the executive from his bench. Impeach him and remove him from the bench
https://x.com/SenTomCotton/status/1888335201652314487
They really are falling back on their first term successes and just saying "nope!" while some random judge blocks it for them to win all their battles. As if Trump didn't expect that and likely already is moving against those who do, if it wasn't bait to begin with for him to roll out such plans on all his movements.
He literally walked into the election with a fleet of secret election watchers and lawyers to avoid one of his prior mistakes. Its absolutely foolish to think his foresight stopped there and these types of actions weren't within his plan.
And that's not even me giving some God Emperor 4D Chess praise to him. Its literal basic pattern recognition and things he has already done showing he can do that.
i'm not sure he even has jurisdiction
He looks like a serial killer.
Just ignore these "judges".
The judiciary does not have the power to prevent the executive branch from taking internal oversight actions.
Trump could always arrange an accident to dispose of this corrupt fucker.
Wetwork?