Nothing will happen. The boomers with the money and guns will just whine, complain and call people feds, the millennials will go to their dead end jobs just to put food on the table, and the zoomers won't even notice because it isn't on tiktok.
Yeah, past behavior is always a strong predictor. Personally I suspect they'll hold back on the cheating to put all the normiecons back to sleep so they can crank the rachet even harder in 2029 without any resistance, but if I'm wrong then we'll see a ton of people posting "hold the line" while waiting for someone else to save them.
Right now, federal political power matters for one major reason. Control of immigration.
The leadership of the left has figured out that they can't avoid a civil war in the future. So the battle right now is jockeying to see if they can import enough barbarian foreigners to overwhelm the American people before the fight starts.
nothing will happen until starvation sets in. for that to happen, there either needs to be huge blight or the US currency has to be so devalued that it is not able to buy food.
This seems likely to me as well. It also has the drawback that starving people in heavily populated areas may turn on eachother instead of banding together.
The problem with America is the right wing is full of conservatives. Conservatism is a rear guard action. They fight today to maintain yesterday’s left wing victories.
Nothing will happen until the right acknowledges that America is now a faggot version of the Soviet Union and need to be destroyed and rebuilt.
Why should I fight for some orange doofus that spent more money than any other president on bullshit, endorse Trans surgeries for kids, and wants more money for Israel?
J6ers should tell you exactly what you get for even showing up for him lol. Useful idiots.
I don't think an actual civil war will immediately happen unless Trump gets killed. More likely a soft Balkanization will happen, where red states will start refusing to work with or obey the federal government. It'll be very politically popular to tell Kamala's administration to pound sand, so that'll happen a lot. A flashpoint will be when Texas starts physically and violently enforcing its border against the orders of the feds, and if the feds decide to come in and force the border open then that might kick off civil war. No idea what happens after that.
If we do have a civil war, it probably won't be noticeable at first because it won't be like our first civil war where we had two distinct nations fighting it out. It'll be an European style civil war where it's mostly guerilla and terror tactics.
How many are taught that German cities such as Munich were wracked by riots and fighting immediately after WWI, before AH even stumbled across the nascent NSDAP?
Can't rule out another glownigger operation at the Capitol. You'd think they would mix things up a bit but they did the exact same thing in Brazil after they stole the election from Bolsonaro.
Oh America collapses/implodes, economy crashes, there is an increase in states especially red states seeking a lot more autonomy from the federal government and a knock on effect of this is WAY more wars globally along with a global recession caused by these conflicts affecting global logistics.
I think this is the reason there isn't a co ordinated to the level of 2020 effort to stop Trump and MAGA, it's all desperate individuals trying to cling onto their own power. The Deep State seems to be a lot more hands off this time round leading me to think they know how fucked they are if the Dems win and would rather go hands off and let Trump win and spend the time burying the evidence and ducking out with a golden parachute.
The results happen and in deep red states immediately there will be increased calls to remove as much federal influence as possible from the state to increase autonomy, essentially slow walking a separation.
Given the amount of lawfare used against Trump and his allies, we'll see a similar situation as what's happening New York or China where those with money assume it's not safe thanks to government interference so move it to areas they feel is safer, crippling a lot of East coast and California as well, you might end up with increased shipping to through Texas and Florida as a result.
With the inability to utilise the military effectively under Biden continuing under Kamala, China would make it's move to take Taiwan, disrupting global logistics regardless of result, I can also see Venezuela finally having it's war with Guyana seeing the weak American leadership which could affect trade there but the biggest one is there is growing tension between Egypt and I believe its Sudan over water rights which would cripple all trade going through the Nile more than Yemen has.
America having weak military leadership and an incompetent foreign policy makers will hurt the entire world so expect a recession worse than 2007.
Two-thirds believe 2020 was rigged and Biden actually had some mettle, so nobody will believe retard Kamala actually won.
So what we're talking about is a situation where elections are gone and everybody knows it, so the fallout will be from people having no stake in the country.
That means no smart, capable, industrious immigrants and brain-drain to other countries (asia), more welfare because why build up wealth the government will just take, more crime because the difference between a bleak dystopian world behind bars and outside of them is not much. Other countries will see the U.S as a rogue state they prefer not to do business with, BRICS will take over for sure, guaranteed collapse of U.S. economy to 1/4th without being the reserve currency.
These things will take a decade or two, but 2024 Kamala will be a tipping point that cannot be undone. 2020 would have been, but it's seen as a one-time pandemic madness.
If anyone had a plan, or even a hypothetical why would they post it online? That's just retarded. We know the feds corrupted big tech already and Telegram just gave away the user's privacy.
People don't answer this question, especially if you can answer it
Whatever: I think we go to each statehouse and put the pressure on about the steal. That's explicitly legal. Gather to redress our grievances with the government.
They are not going to do anything at the Federal level once those electors go out. Need to delay them from going out after a stolen election, or they will just go ahead and seal it again.
IMO, 2024 is the final red line for both voters and powerful people in a position to do something. If they manage to pull off the steal (they don't seem the least bit confident), then it's not going to be peacefully accepted like it was in 2020.
One example that I know is public is that Sundance over at The Conservative Treehouse spent the first half of this year traveling around Europe and planning with the older resistance leaders over there (with a focus on the Polish 1980s solidarity movement, if I remember this correctly). Long story short, he eventually made travel arrangements for these experienced leaders to travel to the US and train others here. Their travel visas were revoked at the last minute, and then all of Sundance's devices were hacked/bricked shortly after. Clearly some state-level actor was nervous. The last he spoke about this, the general plan was (is?) targeted protests in key Congressional districts.
I think we will have two presidents. One will be voted in and the other will not. There will be a type of siege and it will fail because all that power was leaking away anyway.
Either way, this nation will have to face itself in ways it never wanted to.
I have always said a siege of DC makes the most sense. You're not going to liberate people there. They'll work against any change. They have god-knows-what in terms of defenses and no food. Them, you starve out.
I doubt it's going to be a siege in the way we think or want. Most war today is fought in hearts and minds. If the left loses that, then the people still loyal will trap themselves in areas with people they agree with and kick out anyone they disagree with. DC is totally an example, and if they do not follow the will of the people or attempt to order around people who won't listen to them, then they will starve themselves. Trade will close down, and connections will falter. DC will go from Detroit 1969 to Detroit 1989 in 2 years.
The big battles will be the attempts to take over other neighborhoods. That will be small skirmishes at best and feel weird. Imagine constant attempts to create CHAS, and failing due to poverty and warring tribes inside. the best methods will be containment. When gas and food is a tenth of the price outside, there will be choices of what type of destruction to accept, and some may choose their own. The Japanese Last Man proclamation comes to mind. We then enter the streets and areas where there are vacuums
Increasing unrest where people protest, then get arrested. Nothing major, but enough that it's too big to hide.
Things will get continue to get worse as people notice the UK style prison system, where otherwise ordinary right wing protestors rot for months, while violent felons are released within hours of getting caught.
Maybe there's some isolated pockets of violence... Maybe.
Some Republican Governors will talk a big talk, then do nothing.
Global unrest increases as American hegemony wanes. Kamala throws tantrums everytime another world leader treats her like the joke she is.
Russia, China, and whoever the fuck else feels like it will use this opportunity to make power plays. Expect bitching and moaning from the EU before it evaporates into infighting. Large chunks of Africa will probably become part of China. Might be some genocide there... Probably no WWIII, Europeans don't have the balls. Lots of Sabre rattling, but ultimately alliances will fall apart under pressure. Maybe some nukes will fly, but it will be against targets that ultimately, no one is willing to stick their neck out for.
A sort of gloom will fall over the country as people start to accept that things aren't going to get better, not anytime soon.
The country slowly crumbles over the next 20 years. Basic infrastructure is no longer taken for granted.
Things begin to look more and more like the late Soviet Union. Everything is cheap and nasty, the cities are increasingly grey places devoid of beauty
Violence and Criminality. Not political violence, it's just that most people have no investment in society anymore, and have no reason to believe the police will be competent or motivated enough to intervene.
Suddenly the Amish lifestyle is a lot more attractive, so expect ballooning numbers of them, and various copycat communities. There's a good chance these will be stomped down on for being to successful and not sharing their wealth with the cities. (Which have mostly turned into the shitty part of San Fransisco combined with the shitty part of Detroit.)
On the plus side though, skyrocketing food prices will solve Americas obesity problem, and convince a lot of the immigrants to leave.
Democracy has always been coded language to describe an ethnic oligarchy. It is paired with descriptor words that imply varying degrees of civic interaction (direct, republic) and the need for these descriptors betrays the reality of the disguise. We are aware intellectually that influence between the rich and the poor is biased in one direction and from that we can deduce that any democracy is or will result in an oligarchy.
When will you rage? Never, coz y'all are cowards who only wanna shoot at those who can't shoot you back. Be too busy murdering deer to worry about kamala.
Suprised nobody's said it, but Ukraine-Russia will go nuclear and most likely drag in NATO. This administration has had a hard on that region for years (Victoria Nuland and Euromaiden being a key example) and Ukraine is not winning the war by any metric.
They're getting pretty desperate and even came out with their "victory plan" today which was so laughable I couldn't believe it. They're up shit's creek and know a Trump Administration will turn off the money tap at some point, and once that happens their government would collapse and the war would be over. However four more years of the US leading deep strikes into Russia and even more weapons will at some point push them into flattening Ukraine and Poland and co have already pledged to go in if that happens. We are already running a major proxy war that would of gave the Cold War general's wood from their graves but I don't see how this can keep going on without the shoe dropping at some point. It's insane the restraint shown up to this point, but it has a limit and Kamala will probably cackling in a bunker when the missiles go up.
Nothing will happen. The boomers with the money and guns will just whine, complain and call people feds, the millennials will go to their dead end jobs just to put food on the table, and the zoomers won't even notice because it isn't on tiktok.
Sadly probably correct.
Yeah, past behavior is always a strong predictor. Personally I suspect they'll hold back on the cheating to put all the normiecons back to sleep so they can crank the rachet even harder in 2029 without any resistance, but if I'm wrong then we'll see a ton of people posting "hold the line" while waiting for someone else to save them.
This is mostly correct.
Right now, federal political power matters for one major reason. Control of immigration.
The leadership of the left has figured out that they can't avoid a civil war in the future. So the battle right now is jockeying to see if they can import enough barbarian foreigners to overwhelm the American people before the fight starts.
nothing will happen until starvation sets in. for that to happen, there either needs to be huge blight or the US currency has to be so devalued that it is not able to buy food.
This seems likely to me as well. It also has the drawback that starving people in heavily populated areas may turn on eachother instead of banding together.
The problem with America is the right wing is full of conservatives. Conservatism is a rear guard action. They fight today to maintain yesterday’s left wing victories.
Nothing will happen until the right acknowledges that America is now a faggot version of the Soviet Union and need to be destroyed and rebuilt.
Why should I fight for some orange doofus that spent more money than any other president on bullshit, endorse Trans surgeries for kids, and wants more money for Israel?
J6ers should tell you exactly what you get for even showing up for him lol. Useful idiots.
I don't think an actual civil war will immediately happen unless Trump gets killed. More likely a soft Balkanization will happen, where red states will start refusing to work with or obey the federal government. It'll be very politically popular to tell Kamala's administration to pound sand, so that'll happen a lot. A flashpoint will be when Texas starts physically and violently enforcing its border against the orders of the feds, and if the feds decide to come in and force the border open then that might kick off civil war. No idea what happens after that.
If we do have a civil war, it probably won't be noticeable at first because it won't be like our first civil war where we had two distinct nations fighting it out. It'll be an European style civil war where it's mostly guerilla and terror tactics.
So basically what happened in the summer of love 2020..
That's the thing, assuming we have a civil war, that probably will be included in the history books.
Riots happen with some regularity, and they are mostly ignored by history books as far as I know.
Then you don't remember history class, they're covered a lot when the civil rights movement is discussed, they just don't call them riots.
I think we are saying the same thing.
How many are taught that German cities such as Munich were wracked by riots and fighting immediately after WWI, before AH even stumbled across the nascent NSDAP?
I was, pay attention
Can't rule out another glownigger operation at the Capitol. You'd think they would mix things up a bit but they did the exact same thing in Brazil after they stole the election from Bolsonaro.
Oh America collapses/implodes, economy crashes, there is an increase in states especially red states seeking a lot more autonomy from the federal government and a knock on effect of this is WAY more wars globally along with a global recession caused by these conflicts affecting global logistics.
I think this is the reason there isn't a co ordinated to the level of 2020 effort to stop Trump and MAGA, it's all desperate individuals trying to cling onto their own power. The Deep State seems to be a lot more hands off this time round leading me to think they know how fucked they are if the Dems win and would rather go hands off and let Trump win and spend the time burying the evidence and ducking out with a golden parachute.
The results happen and in deep red states immediately there will be increased calls to remove as much federal influence as possible from the state to increase autonomy, essentially slow walking a separation.
Given the amount of lawfare used against Trump and his allies, we'll see a similar situation as what's happening New York or China where those with money assume it's not safe thanks to government interference so move it to areas they feel is safer, crippling a lot of East coast and California as well, you might end up with increased shipping to through Texas and Florida as a result.
With the inability to utilise the military effectively under Biden continuing under Kamala, China would make it's move to take Taiwan, disrupting global logistics regardless of result, I can also see Venezuela finally having it's war with Guyana seeing the weak American leadership which could affect trade there but the biggest one is there is growing tension between Egypt and I believe its Sudan over water rights which would cripple all trade going through the Nile more than Yemen has.
America having weak military leadership and an incompetent foreign policy makers will hurt the entire world so expect a recession worse than 2007.
Two-thirds believe 2020 was rigged and Biden actually had some mettle, so nobody will believe retard Kamala actually won.
So what we're talking about is a situation where elections are gone and everybody knows it, so the fallout will be from people having no stake in the country.
That means no smart, capable, industrious immigrants and brain-drain to other countries (asia), more welfare because why build up wealth the government will just take, more crime because the difference between a bleak dystopian world behind bars and outside of them is not much. Other countries will see the U.S as a rogue state they prefer not to do business with, BRICS will take over for sure, guaranteed collapse of U.S. economy to 1/4th without being the reserve currency.
These things will take a decade or two, but 2024 Kamala will be a tipping point that cannot be undone. 2020 would have been, but it's seen as a one-time pandemic madness.
Nothing. Nobody has the constitution, will, organization, or backing to do anything but hold their dick in their hands
If anyone had a plan, or even a hypothetical why would they post it online? That's just retarded. We know the feds corrupted big tech already and Telegram just gave away the user's privacy.
People don't answer this question, especially if you can answer it
Whatever: I think we go to each statehouse and put the pressure on about the steal. That's explicitly legal. Gather to redress our grievances with the government.
They are not going to do anything at the Federal level once those electors go out. Need to delay them from going out after a stolen election, or they will just go ahead and seal it again.
IMO, 2024 is the final red line for both voters and powerful people in a position to do something. If they manage to pull off the steal (they don't seem the least bit confident), then it's not going to be peacefully accepted like it was in 2020.
One example that I know is public is that Sundance over at The Conservative Treehouse spent the first half of this year traveling around Europe and planning with the older resistance leaders over there (with a focus on the Polish 1980s solidarity movement, if I remember this correctly). Long story short, he eventually made travel arrangements for these experienced leaders to travel to the US and train others here. Their travel visas were revoked at the last minute, and then all of Sundance's devices were hacked/bricked shortly after. Clearly some state-level actor was nervous. The last he spoke about this, the general plan was (is?) targeted protests in key Congressional districts.
Very interesting.
I think we will have two presidents. One will be voted in and the other will not. There will be a type of siege and it will fail because all that power was leaking away anyway.
Either way, this nation will have to face itself in ways it never wanted to.
I have always said a siege of DC makes the most sense. You're not going to liberate people there. They'll work against any change. They have god-knows-what in terms of defenses and no food. Them, you starve out.
But that's way off at the end of a Civil War.
I doubt it's going to be a siege in the way we think or want. Most war today is fought in hearts and minds. If the left loses that, then the people still loyal will trap themselves in areas with people they agree with and kick out anyone they disagree with. DC is totally an example, and if they do not follow the will of the people or attempt to order around people who won't listen to them, then they will starve themselves. Trade will close down, and connections will falter. DC will go from Detroit 1969 to Detroit 1989 in 2 years.
The big battles will be the attempts to take over other neighborhoods. That will be small skirmishes at best and feel weird. Imagine constant attempts to create CHAS, and failing due to poverty and warring tribes inside. the best methods will be containment. When gas and food is a tenth of the price outside, there will be choices of what type of destruction to accept, and some may choose their own. The Japanese Last Man proclamation comes to mind. We then enter the streets and areas where there are vacuums
How is containment different from a siege?
The principle is the same. Starve them out so you don't have to fight them head on.
I don't think anyone will build mobile towers to breach the fence.
nothing ever happens
north korea also has elections
ww3. whether nukes fly or not is in question.
Nothing. Rightoids are the biggest cucks in the land.
JD, Tulsi, RFK, etc will all come out with books denouncing Trump.
Increasing unrest where people protest, then get arrested. Nothing major, but enough that it's too big to hide.
Things will get continue to get worse as people notice the UK style prison system, where otherwise ordinary right wing protestors rot for months, while violent felons are released within hours of getting caught.
Maybe there's some isolated pockets of violence... Maybe.
Some Republican Governors will talk a big talk, then do nothing.
Global unrest increases as American hegemony wanes. Kamala throws tantrums everytime another world leader treats her like the joke she is.
Russia, China, and whoever the fuck else feels like it will use this opportunity to make power plays. Expect bitching and moaning from the EU before it evaporates into infighting. Large chunks of Africa will probably become part of China. Might be some genocide there... Probably no WWIII, Europeans don't have the balls. Lots of Sabre rattling, but ultimately alliances will fall apart under pressure. Maybe some nukes will fly, but it will be against targets that ultimately, no one is willing to stick their neck out for.
A sort of gloom will fall over the country as people start to accept that things aren't going to get better, not anytime soon.
The country slowly crumbles over the next 20 years. Basic infrastructure is no longer taken for granted.
Things begin to look more and more like the late Soviet Union. Everything is cheap and nasty, the cities are increasingly grey places devoid of beauty
Violence and Criminality. Not political violence, it's just that most people have no investment in society anymore, and have no reason to believe the police will be competent or motivated enough to intervene.
Suddenly the Amish lifestyle is a lot more attractive, so expect ballooning numbers of them, and various copycat communities. There's a good chance these will be stomped down on for being to successful and not sharing their wealth with the cities. (Which have mostly turned into the shitty part of San Fransisco combined with the shitty part of Detroit.)
On the plus side though, skyrocketing food prices will solve Americas obesity problem, and convince a lot of the immigrants to leave.
I don't think anything will happen if Trump loses.
I think there's a higher likelihood of nationwide riots, etc., if Trump wins.
Nothing is going to forestall western financial collapse.
More republican donation spams to recount and take back the government
Democracy has always been coded language to describe an ethnic oligarchy. It is paired with descriptor words that imply varying degrees of civic interaction (direct, republic) and the need for these descriptors betrays the reality of the disguise. We are aware intellectually that influence between the rich and the poor is biased in one direction and from that we can deduce that any democracy is or will result in an oligarchy.
When will you rage? Never, coz y'all are cowards who only wanna shoot at those who can't shoot you back. Be too busy murdering deer to worry about kamala.
Suprised nobody's said it, but Ukraine-Russia will go nuclear and most likely drag in NATO. This administration has had a hard on that region for years (Victoria Nuland and Euromaiden being a key example) and Ukraine is not winning the war by any metric.
They're getting pretty desperate and even came out with their "victory plan" today which was so laughable I couldn't believe it. They're up shit's creek and know a Trump Administration will turn off the money tap at some point, and once that happens their government would collapse and the war would be over. However four more years of the US leading deep strikes into Russia and even more weapons will at some point push them into flattening Ukraine and Poland and co have already pledged to go in if that happens. We are already running a major proxy war that would of gave the Cold War general's wood from their graves but I don't see how this can keep going on without the shoe dropping at some point. It's insane the restraint shown up to this point, but it has a limit and Kamala will probably cackling in a bunker when the missiles go up.
whom against whom? nothing is going to happen.