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Remember that quarter-century period that recently ended, when new auto prices DIDN'T GO UP AT ALL (if you believed the @BLS_gov)? That was what went into the CPI, and almost nobody questioned it. Good times. (twitter.com)
posted 1 year ago by SophiesBoyfriend 1 year ago by SophiesBoyfriend +55 / -0
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– Gizortnik 21 points 1 year ago +21 / -0

This is one good, but wildly dangerous thing about the technocracy that the elites are trying to use to justify ruling over us.

We're not experts. We don't understand complicated things like: math, statistics, definitions, and the difference between "with covid" and "from covid". Only galaxy brained elites can understand such incredible nuance from their magical PhD's.

In reality, they've been fucking with, and altering the raw data to give them the results on paper that they want. The danger in that is that it is no longer possible to know by any formal means what the larger situation is. They don't like the results of the CPI, they change the formula and input. They don't like the jobs numbers? They double count them, regardless of revision. They don't like crime stats, they stop collecting the data. They don't like certain words? They change the definition. Sexual Orientation is a homophobic slur, remember comrade?

You can't run any system like this. It kills the system. You must never change the raw data, even if you are corrupt. If you do, you can't even begin to orient yourself in the right direction to solve the real problem.

What we are seeing here is one of the reasons we can't say with any certainty that the Soviet Union economically recovered from World War 2. We can't take their own bureaucratic numbers at face value, because the numbers are already wrong. Everyone was lying about everything. This is one of the reasons that Mao exported grain during the famine. Yes, he was evil, but he was so stupid in his villainy that his subordinates just told him that they had a surplus of grain while people were eating corpses.

The good news is that this situation is so untenable that because it will inevitably kill the system, our victory is assured. The problem is the danger is so extreme that normally our survival ends up being up in the air anyway. I think we'll make it, but there's no question that our plane is currently falling out of the sky.

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– PointlessPseudoanon 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

The situation's exactly the same as in Asimov's short story "The Machine That Won The War". Everybody knows that the numbers they're getting from other sources are fake, so they have to fake up their own numbers to try to compensate...and soon enough, the greatest computer in the history of the world is more-or-less useless because it has no real data to work with.

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– Gizortnik 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

Precisely.

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– CatoTheElder 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

In reality, they've been fucking with, and altering the raw data to give them the results on paper that they want.

So why don't you apply this line of thinking to climate change, since that is exactly what is happening with the GISS USGHCN?

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– Gizortnik 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

I can't answer regarding GISS USCHCN, because I don't know anything about it.

That said, most of the legit complaints I've seen are regarding the extrapolation and interpolation of data. Not actually wrong data. It looks like the graph you have shows an "adjustment". That's not the level of damage to raw data I'm talking about. I'm talking about removing data points or simply recording different numbers within the raw data itself. As in, if the thermometer says 72, and you write down that it said 82. Or you warmed the thermometer.

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– CatoTheElder 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

That is exactly what happened. The raw data no longer officially exists. When you go looking for the raw data they give you the adjusted data claiming it is the raw data. This switch happened nearly a decade ago.

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– Gizortnik 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

I don't think that's true, but at least we are on the same page.

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– AlfredicEnglishRules 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

We won the war by staying home and trying to survive their stupidity.

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– Assassin47 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Some weirdo went and downvoted all your comments over the past day.

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– AlfredicEnglishRules 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Yeah, every time I do a link list post, I get about 3-5 downvotes on everything.

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– Grant_us_eyes 16 points 1 year ago +16 / -0

The automotive market in the US is weird as fuck right now, and I hear people complain about it all the time.

I could likely sell my current vehicle at or exceeding what I paid for it. That's not normal.

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– TomSeeSaw 12 points 1 year ago +12 / -0

$ depreciation, because your car has stored value better than Zelensky's green toilet paper.

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– nuggetpatrol 11 points 1 year ago +11 / -0

Hah, that's hilarious.

From the moment I started saving for a brand new car, 1985, they were around 6500 for an economy box, and around 8500 for something with options and a decent package. So I figured if I had 10k saved, I could get the best of the best.

Now I've been saving for 4 years, I'm 14 years old. 2 years from being able to drive. Economy boxes were now 18,000 dollars and a decent quality car with a decent amount of creature comforts was 22,500.

Push forward 10 years, and now cars are 35,000 dollars. Base model. Very basic stuff.

Now, good luck finding a new vehicle for under 60,000 dollars.

I am currently driving a used car made in 2012. It needed a lot of work, it was as is where is. I put around 3k into it to get it drive worthy, and hopefully it lasts until I can't drive anymore because I can't even afford used anymore.

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– fvckface 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

Is it just me, or does your entire post sound exactly like the "car industry" that existed in Cuba for over 50 years, where everyone had to repair 1940's and 1950's era cars because of communism.

Before anyone points out the US-Cuba embargo, also consider most countries did not participate in the embargo, and they could have been importing cars from almost any country, soviet russia, china, etc.

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– HallucinatoryBeing 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

We'll reach that point once the federally mandated remote kill switches are in all new cars. Then the feds can kill your brakes while you're driving in a busy interstate.

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– AlfredicEnglishRules 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

At this point a new Camry and a use Porsche are the same price.

https://archive.ph/mfUXL

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– HallucinatoryBeing 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

Wait until you hear about "hedonic quality adjustments". The CPI will "calculate" that today's shitbox is actually cheaper than yesteryear's shitbox because of power windows, CD players, or other tacked-on shit.

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– blyat56 10 points 1 year ago +10 / -0

The basic function of BLS and other stats agencies is to gaslight the people into disbelieving their own eyes.

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– HallucinatoryBeing 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

ShadowStats still calculates the CPI using the old methodology prior to the 1980s, before the government started adding bullshit like "owner's equivalent rent", "hedonics", and "product substitutions".

Rule of thumb: Take the "official" inflation number, double it, and you'll have the real inflation percentage.

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– SophiesBoyfriend [S] 6 points 1 year ago +6 / -0

https://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data

Amazing - looks like traditional inflation is 3% higher EVERY year than the current “inflation”. 3% per year is huge - means you lose more than 30% per decade ON TOP of the 20% you lose per decade based off official CPI.

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– MassivePecorino 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

Just ran the numbers, and it comes to 30.47% extra over a decade.

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– deleted 6 points 1 year ago +6 / -0
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– ApparentlyImAHeretic 6 points 1 year ago +6 / -0

A base 2000 corolla went for 13k and change (https://ghostarchive.org/archive/XtTRd)

A base 2020 corolla went for 19k and change (https://ghostarchive.org/archive/HBjV4)

In those 20 years, the cheaper yaris disappeared in the US. The story is very similar for the other manufacturers.

what are they smoking?

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– HallucinatoryBeing 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Muh hedonics.

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– FrozeInFear 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

Help me out with this. What is the significance of the CPI (consumer price index for those unfamiliar)?

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– SophiesBoyfriend [S] 21 points 1 year ago +21 / -0

CPI is the official inflation figure the Fed looks at when it decides how much money it can print.

As you can see it looks low. (so they can print tons)

The reality is inflation is MUCH higher than the fed says.

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– Unknownsailor 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

the official CPI figure is used to for a lot of things, like, say, setting how much Social Security benefits goes up YOY, or retirement pay for military retirees. If CPI is low, so is the annual raise.

CPI has been fucked with since 1980, and is the entire reason ShadowStats exists as a web site.

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– TriangleGang 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Everything is fake and gay.

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– deleted 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

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