As soon as I saw the Indian wife - still Hindu! - I was tepid on Vance, and as much as I dislike Nick he has a point.
Vance is capable of talking like a real person, though, and he's gotten more based, not less. For him to sign on with Trump at this point, after J6 and multiple felonies, says a lot.
Or follow the tenets of Catholicism and raise your children Catholic, not Hindu.
As a fellow convert from agnosticism to Catholicism, I understand some of where Vance comes from, but the biggest “no-no” is the fact that he is now Catholic, but he isn’t raising his kids Catholic.
Yes its so strange. I was once going to date a wonderful Catholic girl back in the day, but I after learning I have significant doctrinal disagreements and the fact that she wouldn't have been able to be a good Catholic due to me not wanting to raise my kids Catholic, we split before anything big. How he did this is quite confusing.
To be fair, he wasn’t Catholic when he got married and converted later so there is a potential excuse. I just can’t believe that a bishop/priest would have been ok with him not working to convert his wife and kids too. Maybe he is and we just don’t know? But the schizophrenia of having to go to a Hindu temple and do demon worship and also going to a Catholic Mass feels wild to me.
Should he have divorced his wife when he converted if she was unwilling to convert? At that point they already had at least one child.
If he divorces his wife, does he get custody, or her? If (when) his wife gets custody, which religion are his children likely to adopt: his or hers?
There are good reasons to not do what he did (if his conversion was genuine it must weigh heavily on him that he won't be with his wife when they die), but you don't get do-overs.
there are plenty of good reasons to divorce your wife. simply because you no longer like her skin color, or a bunch of Internet dipshits are pressuring you to, are not good reasons.
I got nothing against mixed relationships so long as the children are raised in a TRADITIONAL Western White culture, we must bleach the savage lands! (partly /s)
Vance was picked as an insurance policy against FUTURE assassination attempts since he's on side with most of the popularist ideology. At least he's not a liability like the Dem VP pick that went full stolen valor.
No. It's everyone's mandate to reproduce with the highest quality person available. That includes social quality. Ie no creating discord by having kids that don't fit in anywhere.
How can you be raised Hindu and Christian? You can't. It creates discord and stress in the child. That's the issue with immigration, people are not machines that can be imported or exported without affecting their mental state and the stability of those around them.
Colonialism was rarely predicated on mixing with the natives except in Latin America which has become a shit hole near universally. Successful colonies like the us, Canada, and the afrikaaners were predicated on national unity in a foriegn land.
To be fair some of that shit holeness in South America has been done thanks to the CIA needing to keep it's money makers open..
I think more than anything it was because Whites had balls back then. Unlike the current crop of Western 'leaders', there was an understanding in the past that if you fucked with one European, your village got deleted.
Exactly. But you need an in group to have an in group preference. Most halfs struggle to fit in. Not all cross race offspring will have these issues but that's because they eventually assimilate completely into one group or the other. If you deracinate there is not group to assimilate into so you are left with people with shattered roots and a broken tradition.
Back in the day a single offspring or two would later marry a local and their children would be further integrated into the group. And again with THEIR children. Now it's just a raceless rootless free for all and people suffer when they don't know where they belong. Look at how many amerimutts, myself included, are trying to research in reintegrate our European roots instead of just being "american". It's because "american" is raceless and religionless. We have no identity anymore beyond McDonald's and gay rights.
You are forgetting we were an Anglo nation. That was the most core part. Of that protestant Christianity was central, with an allowance for catholics in Maryland.
But everyone anglicized, by learning English and followed an English common law precedent (contrasted to civil or napoleonic code found only in Louisiana).
Everything is downstream of that core belief that we are Anglos. That is why the revolution was based on rights of British people. Even after that, the American identity was knitted closely with the British and explains our cultural proclivity for each other through shared traditions, language, and constitutional tradition.
The monarchy is irrelevant, just like Cromwell showed the English, that they didn't need a monarchy to still be a nation.
Vance is dangerous. He hasn't actually presented anything tangible to help birth rates and families but he says he cares about birth rates and families. He says he cares about White births too but does he cares about them more than mixed-race and/or non-Whites? Doubtful and he'd of course never say that. So what's his policies? What policy ideas does he have to promote children and families? Until he's clear on that he's dangerous because the go-to for most politicians is tax + spend or something worse like implementing laws meant to control men but not control women's behavior and that's a bad move for solving the children+family situation.
What policy ideas does he have to promote children and families?
Pardon my ignorance. Is there an example of pro-family policy that has been shown to work and would be "acceptable" to the public (or roughly half) today?
Locking down borders, imprisoning criminals, banning abortion, encouraging pride in one's race/nation, strong marriage laws. But not just in a lip service GOP way.
People are dying for these, our leadership is too busy fellating globalists.
as much as i hate the idea that all White women are just out to rob White men, addressing (literally - even beginning to speak about it) the issue of "divorce rape" in such a way so as to make men stop worrying about it so much would likely help marriages and child-rearing too.
The only way to meaningfully address "divorce rape" is to to have the children be exclusively in the father's custody by default. It follows that fathers should get 80% of the marital assets, because they must care for the children.
The reality is that the courts and society would still be stacked against fathers, but father's would still start negotiating from a much better position.
that's a bigger question than just marriages. do i see the world ever being good? yeah. might take a few calamities and might be outside my lifetime, but it'll get there eventually. the evils that plague us and amplify petty problems into serious issues are too obvious and the solutions too simple.
I have bad news for you: American Whites have never cared about forging a universal Pan-European identity that should be protected with National Socialism. I still hear about Poles and Ukrainians being surprised that their children were being treated fairly, because they were considered a kind of "off-white" race when I was growing up.
You're right, Vance isn't a National Socialist, nor is he a Pan-Europianist. We agree. This is because most normal, human, Americans don't have any objections to "miscegenation".
Instead, he is actually doing things that will actually protect, develop, and enrich poor, white, post-industrial, rural communities that you don't care about because you see them as mere pawns to getting power for your retarded, bastardized, German, Leftist, ideology. Keep crying on the internet, while the rest of us try to restructure the economy to benefit a demographic of people that has been systematically targeted for dissolution and replacement because of their incompatibility with other Leftist causes.
He's not a White Nationalist, he's an American Patriot. You don't really want to understand the difference.
This is the part where I flog you with the 1790 immigration and naturalization law and the fact that >90% of White Americans disapproved of interracial marriage in the 1950, and it took all the way until the 90s for <50% of Whites to disapprove of interracial marriage.
But yeah, America has never card about racial identity, sure thing.
Keep crying on the internet, while the rest of us try to restructure the economy to benefit a demographic of people that has been systematically targeted for dissolution and replacement because of their incompatibility with other Leftist causes.
If companies can increase profits with cheap immigrant labor or outsourcing, what should they do, libertarian?
He's not a White Nationalist, he's an American Patriot. You don't really want to understand the difference.
We understand just fine that civnats think dirt is magic.
Good fucking god. I can't believe I actually gave you the benefit of the doubt to fucking check. You dishonest piece of shit.
I have bad news for you: American Whites have never cared about forging a universal Pan-European identity that should be protected with National Socialism.
But yeah, America has never card about racial identity, sure thing.
Utter faggotry. You decided to claim miscegenation laws and Pan-Europeanism are the same thing.
My statement is correct. American Whites have never cared about Pan-Europeanism, especially not protected by National Socialism.
Those fucking laws you want to "flog" me with prove to you that Americans aren't Pan-Europeanists. You know that, you're conflating them, and you're claiming I said that Americans didn't think about race.
You're so fucking dishonest you're not even arguing my positions, you're trying to argue a different position and get me to argue from that. I'd say worse things about you, but I might be a rule violation.
White was never a Pan-European concept until the 20th century, which was one of the reasons by the Founding Fathers were skeptical that the Germans could be integrated into a White society, and why Enoch Powell didn't believe that Albanians could preserve a White Britain.
White as Pan-European is a American, Post-War, concept in and of itself. Now stop fucking lying.
Reading this thread is cracking me up. You got gizortnik so upset haha. You know youve won when simple responses are followed by unhinged screed and insults from him.
He's a patriot for the corporate zone beholden to the federal reserve note.
You know what other American countries don't care for misegenation? The shitholes to the south that are endless hordes of disenfranchised "browns" with no political authority except mob violence. And not surprisingly they are ruled by a certain clique like Sheinbaum.
"Dissident right" please, we're the Dissident Right, even the term originates with us, you're side is nothing but establishment-controlled opposition who does fuck-all.
I'd call NS Centrist by technicality, it's all around the made up spectrum, hence the 3rd position moniker, and I'd bet my bottom dollar that he won't do fuck all, just like the first time Trump was president where he did jack shit for us, with his praising BLM and giving nogs trillions.
"WAH! WAH! Trump said I should be condemned totally at Charlottesville! WAH!"
Get fucked. JD Vance is a better representation of, and greater force for good for, American Whites than you or your ilk ever will be, or ever have been.
At this point, it can be safely assumed that any White politician or public figure that isn't explicitly advocating for White people and our interests, acknowledging our plights and the systems arrayed against us, that the politician or public figure is a danger to us, and should not be trusted or supported.
As soon as I saw the Indian wife - still Hindu! - I was tepid on Vance, and as much as I dislike Nick he has a point.
Vance is capable of talking like a real person, though, and he's gotten more based, not less. For him to sign on with Trump at this point, after J6 and multiple felonies, says a lot.
Should he have divorced his wife when he became "more based"?
Sometimes you have to live with the decisions you've made in the past.
He could've given his son a proper Christian name
He could have actually been a Catholic or Christian and not marry outside his religion for the first thing.
Or follow the tenets of Catholicism and raise your children Catholic, not Hindu.
As a fellow convert from agnosticism to Catholicism, I understand some of where Vance comes from, but the biggest “no-no” is the fact that he is now Catholic, but he isn’t raising his kids Catholic.
Yes its so strange. I was once going to date a wonderful Catholic girl back in the day, but I after learning I have significant doctrinal disagreements and the fact that she wouldn't have been able to be a good Catholic due to me not wanting to raise my kids Catholic, we split before anything big. How he did this is quite confusing.
To be fair, he wasn’t Catholic when he got married and converted later so there is a potential excuse. I just can’t believe that a bishop/priest would have been ok with him not working to convert his wife and kids too. Maybe he is and we just don’t know? But the schizophrenia of having to go to a Hindu temple and do demon worship and also going to a Catholic Mass feels wild to me.
He wasn't a Catholic when he got married.
Should he have divorced his wife when he converted if she was unwilling to convert? At that point they already had at least one child.
If he divorces his wife, does he get custody, or her? If (when) his wife gets custody, which religion are his children likely to adopt: his or hers?
There are good reasons to not do what he did (if his conversion was genuine it must weigh heavily on him that he won't be with his wife when they die), but you don't get do-overs.
no
Depends on the wife
there are plenty of good reasons to divorce your wife. simply because you no longer like her skin color, or a bunch of Internet dipshits are pressuring you to, are not good reasons.
I got nothing against mixed relationships so long as the children are raised in a TRADITIONAL Western White culture, we must bleach the savage lands! (partly /s)
Vance was picked as an insurance policy against FUTURE assassination attempts since he's on side with most of the popularist ideology. At least he's not a liability like the Dem VP pick that went full stolen valor.
No. It's everyone's mandate to reproduce with the highest quality person available. That includes social quality. Ie no creating discord by having kids that don't fit in anywhere.
How can you be raised Hindu and Christian? You can't. It creates discord and stress in the child. That's the issue with immigration, people are not machines that can be imported or exported without affecting their mental state and the stability of those around them.
I wasn't thinking exporting or importing people, I was thinking returning to colonialism....
Colonialism was rarely predicated on mixing with the natives except in Latin America which has become a shit hole near universally. Successful colonies like the us, Canada, and the afrikaaners were predicated on national unity in a foriegn land.
To be fair some of that shit holeness in South America has been done thanks to the CIA needing to keep it's money makers open..
I think more than anything it was because Whites had balls back then. Unlike the current crop of Western 'leaders', there was an understanding in the past that if you fucked with one European, your village got deleted.
Exactly. But you need an in group to have an in group preference. Most halfs struggle to fit in. Not all cross race offspring will have these issues but that's because they eventually assimilate completely into one group or the other. If you deracinate there is not group to assimilate into so you are left with people with shattered roots and a broken tradition.
Back in the day a single offspring or two would later marry a local and their children would be further integrated into the group. And again with THEIR children. Now it's just a raceless rootless free for all and people suffer when they don't know where they belong. Look at how many amerimutts, myself included, are trying to research in reintegrate our European roots instead of just being "american". It's because "american" is raceless and religionless. We have no identity anymore beyond McDonald's and gay rights.
I'd say there's 3 things that really defined America: Individual rights and enrichment, Christian values and militaristic pride.
And wonder every one of those were the first targets of the left..
You are forgetting we were an Anglo nation. That was the most core part. Of that protestant Christianity was central, with an allowance for catholics in Maryland.
But everyone anglicized, by learning English and followed an English common law precedent (contrasted to civil or napoleonic code found only in Louisiana).
Everything is downstream of that core belief that we are Anglos. That is why the revolution was based on rights of British people. Even after that, the American identity was knitted closely with the British and explains our cultural proclivity for each other through shared traditions, language, and constitutional tradition.
The monarchy is irrelevant, just like Cromwell showed the English, that they didn't need a monarchy to still be a nation.
Vance is a never trumper who simps for Israel.
Literally any avenue of attack you can scrounge up, eh?
The only ciriticism you can scrape together....
Vance is dangerous. He hasn't actually presented anything tangible to help birth rates and families but he says he cares about birth rates and families. He says he cares about White births too but does he cares about them more than mixed-race and/or non-Whites? Doubtful and he'd of course never say that. So what's his policies? What policy ideas does he have to promote children and families? Until he's clear on that he's dangerous because the go-to for most politicians is tax + spend or something worse like implementing laws meant to control men but not control women's behavior and that's a bad move for solving the children+family situation.
Pardon my ignorance. Is there an example of pro-family policy that has been shown to work and would be "acceptable" to the public (or roughly half) today?
Locking down borders, imprisoning criminals, banning abortion, encouraging pride in one's race/nation, strong marriage laws. But not just in a lip service GOP way.
People are dying for these, our leadership is too busy fellating globalists.
as much as i hate the idea that all White women are just out to rob White men, addressing (literally - even beginning to speak about it) the issue of "divorce rape" in such a way so as to make men stop worrying about it so much would likely help marriages and child-rearing too.
Of course. Divorce and single parenting is being encouraged by our legal system.
The only way to meaningfully address "divorce rape" is to to have the children be exclusively in the father's custody by default. It follows that fathers should get 80% of the marital assets, because they must care for the children.
The reality is that the courts and society would still be stacked against fathers, but father's would still start negotiating from a much better position.
Do you see this happening? Ever? I don't.
that's a bigger question than just marriages. do i see the world ever being good? yeah. might take a few calamities and might be outside my lifetime, but it'll get there eventually. the evils that plague us and amplify petty problems into serious issues are too obvious and the solutions too simple.
A little-known German politician used tax breaks and loan forgiveness per child had in wedlock.
This is a terrible idea. It doesn't work.
There is. But all the source material is in German.
Are there links to this source?
Lower taxes and lower spending. As a republican he can easily advocate for both.
Vance is Peter Thiel's errand boy.
I have bad news for you: American Whites have never cared about forging a universal Pan-European identity that should be protected with National Socialism. I still hear about Poles and Ukrainians being surprised that their children were being treated fairly, because they were considered a kind of "off-white" race when I was growing up.
You're right, Vance isn't a National Socialist, nor is he a Pan-Europianist. We agree. This is because most normal, human, Americans don't have any objections to "miscegenation".
Instead, he is actually doing things that will actually protect, develop, and enrich poor, white, post-industrial, rural communities that you don't care about because you see them as mere pawns to getting power for your retarded, bastardized, German, Leftist, ideology. Keep crying on the internet, while the rest of us try to restructure the economy to benefit a demographic of people that has been systematically targeted for dissolution and replacement because of their incompatibility with other Leftist causes.
He's not a White Nationalist, he's an American Patriot. You don't really want to understand the difference.
This is the part where I flog you with the 1790 immigration and naturalization law and the fact that >90% of White Americans disapproved of interracial marriage in the 1950, and it took all the way until the 90s for <50% of Whites to disapprove of interracial marriage.
But yeah, America has never card about racial identity, sure thing.
If companies can increase profits with cheap immigrant labor or outsourcing, what should they do, libertarian?
We understand just fine that civnats think dirt is magic.
Your flogging would have to include me saying "never", which I didn't for that exact reason.
Americans don't care about "miscegenation". That is simply true.
Cease to exist by abolishing corporations as legal fictions for government vassalage.
"Magic Dirt" isn't CivNat. Assimilation is CivNat.
You said "never." It's even in italics for emphasis. It's time for the nursing home, Joe.
Good fucking god. I can't believe I actually gave you the benefit of the doubt to fucking check. You dishonest piece of shit.
Utter faggotry. You decided to claim miscegenation laws and Pan-Europeanism are the same thing.
My statement is correct. American Whites have never cared about Pan-Europeanism, especially not protected by National Socialism.
Those fucking laws you want to "flog" me with prove to you that Americans aren't Pan-Europeanists. You know that, you're conflating them, and you're claiming I said that Americans didn't think about race.
You're so fucking dishonest you're not even arguing my positions, you're trying to argue a different position and get me to argue from that. I'd say worse things about you, but I might be a rule violation.
Identifying as White is a Pan-European concept, and it was enshrined into laws and is part of our social fabric.
White was never a Pan-European concept until the 20th century, which was one of the reasons by the Founding Fathers were skeptical that the Germans could be integrated into a White society, and why Enoch Powell didn't believe that Albanians could preserve a White Britain.
White as Pan-European is a American, Post-War, concept in and of itself. Now stop fucking lying.
Yet the 1790 immigration law exists.
Reading this thread is cracking me up. You got gizortnik so upset haha. You know youve won when simple responses are followed by unhinged screed and insults from him.
He's a patriot for the corporate zone beholden to the federal reserve note.
You know what other American countries don't care for misegenation? The shitholes to the south that are endless hordes of disenfranchised "browns" with no political authority except mob violence. And not surprisingly they are ruled by a certain clique like Sheinbaum.
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It's on the line, but not over it.
So, once again, you ignore the effects of Leftist policy, because you want to impose it.
You know Moshe, maybe stop being a faggot and reporting everyone calling you out, how about that?
You act like I want your support, retard.
I don't. No one does. White people don't.
You're scum and you help no one, and only exist to support the regime as controlled opposition and suicide bomb the dissident right.
Why would I ever want your support?
"Dissident right" please, we're the Dissident Right, even the term originates with us, you're side is nothing but establishment-controlled opposition who does fuck-all.
You never have been, and never will be.
That's because we haven't yet held power, unlike Zion-Don, who did but didn't do anything he promised https://files.catbox.moe/5v68mn.png
I'd call NS Centrist by technicality, it's all around the made up spectrum, hence the 3rd position moniker, and I'd bet my bottom dollar that he won't do fuck all, just like the first time Trump was president where he did jack shit for us, with his praising BLM and giving nogs trillions.
"WAH! WAH! Trump said I should be condemned totally at Charlottesville! WAH!"
Get fucked. JD Vance is a better representation of, and greater force for good for, American Whites than you or your ilk ever will be, or ever have been.
At this point, it can be safely assumed that any White politician or public figure that isn't explicitly advocating for White people and our interests, acknowledging our plights and the systems arrayed against us, that the politician or public figure is a danger to us, and should not be trusted or supported.
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This doesn't do that.
You're a faggot, and your opinion doesn't matter, which is why I came here to belittle you and your opinion.
Is Nick Francis a real person or is it a Fuentes autocorrect?
They always say “racist” but never say it’s wrong