Woke up to the news the news that Crowd Strike killed bunch of IT infrastructure. We weren't using that POS software in our company so the work day was not bad for me. I was talking to a co-worker about this news. I mentioned 'Crowd Strike is going go broke over this'. He said, 'No they won't.' "Won't they get sued into the ground for this." "Microsoft hasn't been sued over its bad updates."
I do a quick search to see if I could prove him wrong. All I could find is individuals taking Microsoft to court for forcing updates but no corporations have. It appears the software EULAs are so legally airtight that if a software update costs your company millions or billions...tough shit and suck it up.
Crowd Strike did several bad IT practices this update.
- Deploying on a friday (lol)
- not testing the update deployment (the update itself could've been fine but the update server might have corrupted the file)
- not doing a staged update
- the software probably makes it difficult or impossible to defer updates
As well Microsoft is still Microsofting with its driver BSODs.
I'm doubtful that either Crowd Strike or Microsoft will be held to account for the billions of dollars lost and millions of people that had their day ruined over this.
Basically, software companies are like vaccine companies and they are immune to legal liability.
Have a good weekend, unless you're in IT.
Not taking shots, I like the dude just fine...but did anyone else think this was a Lethn post, based on the title?
Nowhere near autistic enough, far too intelligible lol. Not even a single mention of right-wingers
He also didn't present this as if he's some super genius for figuring this out and enlightening us plebs.
I kinda see what he means, just the slightest hint of clickbait in the title with “I came to this realization about X today”, but uhh, all in good fun lol
Can't be Lethn without a promise to leave the UK this time, for sure, but never actually following through.
We'll check back in with you in 50 years, then.
What about the short term?
Do give us an update once it's actually happening.
I immediately looked at the OP's name when i read the title and was surprised it wasn't Lethn.
No. Why?
Great insights, but I do think they’re going to get sued into the ground, atleast crowdstrike if not microsoft. Crowdstrike’s stock value has already plummeted, down 20% over a month, and the cost to many of these companies is just going to be too much to eat.
A MONUMENTAL fuck up. The details will be interesting as they emerge.
They're likely to face suits for loss of business. I doubt any purchase agreement covers "we're going to brick your machines".
Not to mention how critical some of these systems are. I was talking to a nurse who said her dialysis wing was stuffed to the gills today because one of the other local hospitals was totally out of service over this.
Basically every industry with a large workforce was affected by this, to varying degrees. No way this just gets swept under the rug “cost of doing business” style.
Whats more, this doesn’t exactly feel like an accident. I mean, obviously, it was a monumental fuck up. But what if it was more than that? Qui bono?
They copped to the bad update. It's Crowdstrike, they're basically a subsidiary of the DNC. If they'd had the slightest bit of an excuse they'd have grabbed for it.
Unforced errors are the hallmark of a decaying society.
Yes I do remember that. That was a fun week.
Stock values always plummet when something like this happens but they recover, too.
Has anyone ever had to face consequences when something like this has happened? IIRC there have been similar updates that broke stuff on a large scale with Windows. There have also been large scale outages because some service that everyone and their grandmother uses went down. Don't remember any major consequences.
Airlines will be stuck with the bills depending on jurisdiction where they have to reimburse travelers even if it's not their fault. Other than that, nobody is going to talk about it in a week.
They are too big to fail. Even if the public structure of the company has to take a hit on this, they'll just sell off and restructure. People seriously do not appreciate the problem of consolidation among global corporations. Even if you don't believe there is a shady cabal of deep state three letter agencies, giant investment bankers, and corps in every sector conspiring to manipulate world events, it still means there is no real free market and things like this happen over and over again with no consequences.
Crowdstrike will be hit hard. Microsoft will be fine, no one will touch them.
MS will be protected by the cloak of evil?
Crowdstrike's entire existence is, at best, a bandaid over Microsoft's bullshit. They wouldn't even exist if MS was halfway competent at giving customers what they want. I don't understand why they choose to be hated.
I also don't understand why shit like airport check in kiosks that are probably just running a browser app all day are based around full fat x86 windows with auto-updating bullshitware.
If you use Android you likely also noticed Google seems to update everything once a week ;
map, photo/video viewer, google disk, G-mail, TV...
How does one justify needing to update these 50+ times a year? What fucking breakthrough development in e-mail and photo viewing are there to make every week these days?
They need to "update" them in order to force re-enable them and check for people who purposefully bricked them, in order to ensure they steal maximum data from every device.
I need a drink lol
It's funny to me how you guys get so offended by that. Of all the Lethn moments this is the one you're fixated on? Huh.
My flight tomorrow morning got canceled. Gonna have to stay in Atlanta an extra day I suppose....yay...a few hundred dollars down the drain and I don't get to go to an anime convention with my friends I had been looking forward to. Thanks ClownStrike...
with pajeets, you lose
My brother in Christ, you missed the rhyme. "With Hindus, you lose." Or "With a pajeet, it's incomplete."
He outsourced the comment to India.
How do I know Crowd Strike will be fine?
They hosted HIllary Clinton's email server in Ukraine.
There will be SLAs and some corpo's will threaten to sue (privately), and see themselves getting "free" 'x' years of service.
Other's will get less.
Overall it depends on what other large corpo has their hand up crowdstrike's back side, making it talk. If no one, expect blood. If they have Blackrock investor backing, out of court settlements will be the best you can expect.
The CxO's will laugh into their money and get on cushy boardroom jobs.
So yes, the repercussions to this will be felt by no one of consequence. I mean the 737 fiasco should be enough to tell you that we are a society in descent, and therefore rats are in charge of policing rats.
Now can I interest you in some crypto? Y'know the stuff that is magically immune to bumfuckery by virtue of being dependent on compute, connectivity and energy that comes from
wholesome well-run(into the ground) corporations.Anyone wanna give a quick rundown on what happened?
Well according to them, they pushed a bad config/AV definition file(why the fuck would they make these end with .sys despite not being valid drivers is beyond me) causing the main AV driver to shit the bed when Windows is booting up which will can be seen by computer starting up, BSODing then rebooting again(though windows will detect this and offer recovery options but are useless if the C drive is encrypted).
If Windows already rebooted with the bad file there is nothing else to be done other then reinstalling the system or following the "fix" which involves booting the machine into safe mode(good luck on enterprise systems which have BitLocker and need the decryption key) and manually removing the file.
..well, small upshot, it made the last half of my shift a little easier...I basically fucked off for the last two hours of my shift.
The remote folder for the router I was working on was unavailable, so I just cleaned up and fucked off from 1:17 am till sometime after five when I left, so I cleaned up and basically fucked off for the rest of the night, lmfao.
EULA probably won't save crowdstrike. Business interruption insurance claims will result in subro and the insurers are free to turbo fuck the company in the mouth.
But developing proprietary software would cost several dollars more than being linked into one weak link that could shut down the whole world, and thus has the world's largest target on its back on top of being a singular massive failure point in general!
The question is how many customers will they have left by next week?
Are private planes impacted?
My neighbor got home from CA yesterday. 2 hour delay, but still.
Why do they care about delegates being unable to get home?
Probably not specifically related to delegates, but the Russia-gate Democrat fixer firm making a big mistake right after the events of this week is probably related.
Like I bet behind the scenes they've been scrambling over something nefarious and that's what let this mistake happen.
I'm not following. Why would they deliberately do something that reveals that the voting machines are connected to the internet, and thus that they were 100% lying about a crucial detail in the controversy over Maricopa County's mysteriously persistent difficulties with counting votes?