FANZA Follows as Next to Suspend Visa Card Payments
Japanese adult websites have been suspending the use of Western credit card companies left and right, and the latest to do it is DMM subsidiary FANZA, which dropped Visa card payment support.Here's an excerpt from FANZA regarding the suspension of Visa car...
This is just being more open about a policy that has existed for years. Hopefully this means a rival service can facilitate what Visa refuses to allow.
I honestly wish. Not sure about the laws in Japan, but the US has built laws to wall in the main three (Visa, Mastercard, Amex.) You would need the US government’s blessing to start a rival card company that can transfer between Japan and US.
What about Discover? Yeah laugh if you want but they're pretty mainstream now and are part of the JCB/Diner's Club network that has been popular in Japan for a long time.
I'll laugh more if this is the opportunity Discovery needs to become a major player by filling the void Visa leaves.
It's widely accepted, but I see it as part of the oligopoly.
You'd also need to convince some banks to bother playing along.
YOu can issue a credit card, directly. I don't think that's the problem. But I don't know what you're saying exactly. Yes, at some point the banks would have to play along. Repayments, I guess, since most people pay their credit cards via bank account. IDK how open that is.
If you are gonna make it any harder than paying visa you may as well take crypto, though, or even some kind of wire transfer they will probably let you do.
no one is going to step in because of what's really going on here.
it's a bullshit smokescreen. visa does processing for adult websites all the time. in all likelihood, visa reached out and said the site needs to remove anything sexualizing children or the contract would be terminated, and the site said no.
and now the typical KiA contingent of anime child porn pedos are out in full force trying to propagandize this into some freedom of speech issue in opposing censorship.
......you do realise you are complaining about Japanese drawings that there has been NO EVIDENCE of them increasing the likelihood of child abuse similar to violence and video games..
...when we have a bunch of Indian handshakes running around extorting the virtues of child marriage and celebrating women being killed for race mixing. A bit of a reality check here..
Don't need evidence. It's all feelings based. They "feel" certain genres of fictional works are dangerous.
Meanwhile Pornhub hosted actual underage rape porn, allowed uploaders to monetize, and gleefully accepted the national card networks without go-arounds like points. No one went to jail, no one was debanked, just a "tee hee, oopsie!"
denounce child marriage you ask? i accept those terms, i denounce that too. those people are pedos and they should be hunted for sport.
there is no circumstance where sexualizing children is okay.
Er, no one but retards and mud dwellers is arguing otherwise.
The point of contestion is recognising drawings AS children, that's getting too close not just to thought crime but that guy that insists his toaster has feelings territory..
It really does seem like this is the one topic that breaks peoples minds and makes them stop thinking rationally. I had been pretty active on PoliticalCompassMemes on Reddit, and they had the topic come up due to that bill Japan was looking at (that was DOA because it barely had any signatures). And when most of the sub said "It is good it wont pass, this is a stupid thing that people keep focusing on needlessly", a few users and the mods lost their fucking minds, declared that the sub had clearly been overrun by "pedophiles", and started throwing around permabans left, right, and center (lead by a mod tagged as "Libertarian Right". Hah!).
This despite the fact that people had argued in favor of far more controversial topics frequently in the sub. It is just so bizarre to me.
you're talking about victim theory. society has long moved past that in both the US and japan.
Sorry, but drawings are not real depictions of people. Art should not suffer the moral scrutiny we give to real life images. Censorship is never okay, and I'll die on that hill.
Would you really? You're an anon on a message board. In real life the pedo accusation even without evidence is so damaging that I doubt you or many people at all would truly stake their livelihood and reputations on this issue. Which speaks to the insidious nature of the opposition's actions here, and the unscrupulous lack of principle in the argument. They take an easy position on the side of power, and fall back to sophistry and word games like "you don't want to sexualize children do you? stop sexualizing children" knowing that's not the counter-argument. Imagine how they would destroy your life IRL simply for having an opinion. I won't argue there's not some perverts here who enjoy anime "child porn", but it's got to be a trivially insignificant compared to all the people who recognize going after drawings is in fact the "bullshit smokescreen" and a wedge issue to exert power.
I almost want to believe from trollin's username that he's intentionally playing the Agent of Chaos to encourage us to think deeper about this. He gives me the same vibes I got from Elon Musk when he claimed the reason he didn't want to let Alex Jones back on twitter was because he once held his dying son in his arms. (???)
While I agree with the sentiment, never die on a hill. I live my life and encourage other non retarded people by this qoute:
sexualizing children is wrong and immoral
No children is being sexualized,. Ink on paper is not children.
if the people buying this shit truly thought that, there would be no desire for it.
indeed
Nah. The communists have been trying to criminalize all drawn adult art because it cuts into their porn industry - which is far more vile and depraved than the adult anime industry itself. This isn't just about sexualizing children.
https://nichegamer.com/japanese-communist-party-encourages-members-to-report-fanservice-manga-to-the-un/
You using their own words, i.e "KiA contigent of anime porn pedos" to demonize whom they deem 'competition' really doesn't help your case.
it’s a shame Japan doesn’t have its own competition to the visa/mastercard duopoly
yakuza worked for decades to keep cards out of japanese life. card transactions are traceable and controllable. cash isn't. for being such an advanced country in so many ways, almost everything was cash-only or anonymous RF card up until the pandemic (suica or pasmo, it's like a prepaid debit). then many places in japan started taking visa/MC during the coof.
the dumb thing here is that this sounds like it's being framed as the sites dropping visa/MC, when digging deeper it sounds like they got dropped for erotic content. but it's not just any erotic content... i doubt those stopped working on OF and all the other porn sites.
it's because so many of these japanese sites have anime child porn. and as much as some specific people in KiA want to act like that is legal, there are plenty of jurisdictions where it's illegal.
This is a slippery slope of idiocy. Fake is fake. Unless you think fake murder should be banned. Bye bye vidya.
Where in reality burning, stealing and invading is "arguable" but muh fake drawing is bad because 'think of the children!!!'. Meanwhile real children from the island..... get memory holed with epstein.
Stop chasing fever dreams, and start pouncing on actual pedos and their enablers in capitol hill pride parades.
Canada actually used to have a law that banned any and all depictions of "crimes in progress", which technically banned even Batman comics and stuff. It was never enforced; I think if it was used at all, it'd just be one of those tack-on charges the prosecutor can easily drop during plea bargaining.
I don't think it exists any more; before Trudeau went full-blown retard, he did do the useful act of trimming some of the fat out of the Criminal Code.
Dude look at the guy's username. Just downvote and move on. He's trolling.
sexualizing children is still sexualizing children.
are you defending sexualizing children?
all pedos deserve the bullet.
Murdering innocent people in a video game is still murdering innocent people in real life.
Are you defending murdering innocent people?
yes, taking out terrorists or nazis or zombies is exactly the same as sexualizing children...
You seem to have forgotten that you aren't on Reddit here, retard. That "anime CP" shit is just a way leftoids try to get anime censored. Either by "localizers" or at the source, out of fear of censorship. Take your pro-censorship bullshit and GTFO.
Yes, but also no. There really is a subgenre like that over there, which some use as an excuse to go after the rest, even though the vast majority contains no such thing.
Which is why I oppose all of this censorship on GP. This is just an excuse for them to turn anime into the same degenerate propaganda, that most western media is now. They made this painfully obvious when they referred to stuff like "Uzaki-chan wa Asobitai!" as CP. Anything with a female character that isn't a troon is heresy to them and it makes leftoids and their masters seethe.
Considering the homie up there immediately went to the "why are you defending sexualizing children" you can see this exact slippery slope excuse play out in real time in this very comment thread.
Because that's how it always goes. First they pass "common sense" parts because nobody likes pedos enough to risk defending them, then the bar for pedo gets lower and lower until any woman under 35 without sagged tits from 3 babies is "pedo shit."
Correct. I've even seen people claim that the main character from Stellar Blade "looks like a child".
Which is how the argument against anime in general always goes. They always "look like children" based on "I know it when I see it" criteria, which means that all of it must be CP and banned.
Same way that all anime is "sexualization." Dumb shit shows like Ichigo Mashimaro are just dumb shows about girls doing funny things, no different than something like Craig of the Creek or various other cartoons. But because its anime is inherently sexual.
And these two things cycle into the true cause, that all anime must be banned.
Which is why I always stand against censorship and why I'm so adamant about it. It's the difference between being principled and being a coward who flees because someone might call them names.
fuck that, fuck the trannies. this is straw man bullshit.
you know the shit i'm talking about... they sexualize a literal child, a fucking 6 year old.
do you denounce the sexualization of children?
I do. I also stand against shooting children with a gun, but I'm not rushing to ban guns either or even put a law into place trying to restrict them to accomplish such a task.
Its also not Strawman Bullshit when we already have seen things like Australia banning A-cups from appearing to stop pedos. Same with the aforementioned Uzaki manga where an adult college women was protested because she was too short to be an adult.
Are Classical and Renaissance statues and paintings of nude children CP?
I know this sounds like an obvious "no," but there isn't a simple, non-arbitrary criteria for differentiating between loli/shota hentai and legitimate art, for the same reason that there's no simple and non-arbitrary criteria for differentiating between art and porn.
Yes, you can certainly describe what you regard as the relevant differences between porn and art, but there's never gonna be anything even approaching objectivity in that discourse, and policy-making is something you have to be a total autist about or else nefarious actors will take advantage of ambiguity to abuse the rules to their advantage.
But it's not new is it? I wonder what changed...
opposing child porn is not "pro-censorship"... it's anti-pedophilia.
this is exactly the shit i'm talking about... KiA users bending over backwards to defend child porn. oh! it's animated! bruh, it's still the act of sexualizing children.
Have you seen what anime leftoids refer to as CP? You've fallen for their bullshit, hook, line and sinker. It's just a bullshit way leftoids use to get their foot in the door to push censorship and retarded faggots like you are helping them. They don't give a fuck about "anime CP" and most of them are likely pedos IRL.
are you paying attention to the groomer shit? leftoids are the ones sexualizing children.
are you really defending sexualizing children?
How the fuck did you go from me being against leftoid censorship of anime and manga, and the ways they go about pushing that censorship, to this retarded bullshit? Did you have a stroke in between comments?
not "leftoid censorship of anime and manga". you keep deflecting. i don't give a fuck in what form it is.
sexualization of children is immoral and disgusting. agree or disagree?
Yes and every time I headshot someone in GTA I'm advocating for sniping innocents in real life. GTFO out of here with that retarded leftoid logic.
keep bending over backwards to defend sexualizing children. this is why people mock the KiA community... this is not the hill to die on.
Censorship of content you find to be abhorrent is still censorship lol, everyone tolerates speech and artistic expression that doesn't offend them.
Hentai involving lolis and shotas is absolutely vile, foul, repugnant, depraved, degenerate, abominable, cursed, ungodly, demonic, vomit-inducing, etc. But it's nonetheless a victimless crime, unlike real CP which involves the raping of actual children.
If you mow down a bunch of civilians in GTA, you're not a murderer. But if you mow down a bunch of civilians IRL, and film it, you're still a murderer. Same principle applies to hentai involving kids, or to porn with adult actors that roleplay as kids, or porn involving rape and murder roleplay, even the most atrocious fiction is still fiction.
again, there are tons of laws criminalizing "victimless crime". why is bestiality illegal, but branding, caging, inseminating, and slaughtering animals is not illegal? please enlighten the crowd for us...
Bestiality is illegal, but drawings of it aren't.
stop deflecting. why is bestiality illegal, but branding, caging, inseminating, and slaughtering animals is not illegal?
There's plenty of actual depictions of minors in anime/manga pornography in Japan. Not everyone who condemns that is left-wing.
Do you really think the censorship will stop with "loli/shota"? Obviously it won't, because the goal is forcing anime to bow down to ESG bullshit. The left are mad that people have found a way to avoid their propaganda and now they're trying to turn anime into the same bullshit. They don't seem to realize that they can't force people to like troons or other DEI bullshit, but their programming makes them think they can force the issue.
I have conflicted feelings on the question of whether everything immoral should be illegal. I don't know the answer.
You can condemn something while also being wise enough to understand that "banning" something that vague won't help, and will make things significantly worse.
One of the big separations of Left/Right used to be that gap between "make the government fix it" and "keep the government out of it, let the people fix it."
Why have the card companies just noticed? It was ok with them before for some reason.
Japan shouldn't have to enforce international laws any more than we should bow to the UN or EU.
sure, but visa is still an american company that must abide by american laws
In America, not in Japan.
the processing of the transaction legally occurs in america. none of anything you say here is going to change this... this issue has been litigated to death and there are no new points you can make that will change it.
America has the 1A and SCOTUS has ruled that loli/shota hentai is constitutionally-protected speech you inbred low-IQ mouthbreather.
no. that's a specific provision under obscenity charges. there have been multiple convictions upholding it since, you low IQ mouthbreather.
And SCOTUS overturned that provision you retard.
if you were right, how do you explain all the criminal convictions after that case?
maybe you shouldn't get your law degree from university of social media.
Whatever the future holds, it doesn't take Visa
"You pay cash! No Visa! You pay Visa I kill you."
-Every Third-World cabbie and restaurant owner ever
With "Visa" pronounced with a long I.
Royal Canadian Air Farce, Angry Greek Taxi Driver.
I wish everyone would stop using VISA. Mastercard too.
American Express is just as woke.
What's going on? Why is visa blocked?
What we really need is a convenient way to do money orders online.