They've been trying to get me to install their stupid weather widget on 10, even after unchecking all the boxes in settings. I had to uninstall the weather app entirely to get it to stop. This is the most effective marketing campaign for Linux that I've ever seen.
What's the actual sales pitch behind it? Is it as a virtual helper AI? Because shit like that is sci fi levels of helpful and usefulness, and I'd actually really want it. If I actually controlled it and it wasn't just monitoring me 24/7 and the helping me was just a bribe to allow me to be monitored.
If I actually owned a helper AI that would be great.
Yea. Even if helpful at first, a new blackrock grifter ceo will eventually turn it to shit. Windows already has some "timeline" feature so you can see what you were working on x days ago, so I'm guessing the sell is something like that. The recent files is enough for me.
Indeed, which is where open-source tools and self-hosting are the way to go if you want to maintain some degree of control and safety while yielding some useful benefits. Even better I guess if one ventures forth into Distro-land.
Any arrangement of debian packages that suits a new user is good for them. I think Unity kinda looks like Mac, so if they are a mac person it might be appropriate. Or even for someone who's primary experience is Android.
If you like to have a "start" bar as I do, Mint is good for that.
I don't like to get people into compiling right away, and Debian has the most convenient packages, whether you get them downstream from Ubuntu or whatever. You can effectively switch between flavors (desktops) at the command line, so your noob isn't stuck with their first choice (though it may be easiest if you switch for them).
The only one I have personal experience with as a regular desktop OS is Ubuntu and it does everything I've ever used a Windows computer for with very little hassle. Browsers are browsers, LibreOffice is LibreOffice, all my Steam games work the same, etc. I've never had any problems with drivers, wifi, or anything else that people usually post about when desktop Linux comes up.
your hardware is backdoored. your HD controller embedded processor is backdoored. all of Linux is pozzed and most likely backdoored. youre already on the list. by using some more obscure OS youre just drawing attention. youre not part of some foreign spy ring, are you? just don't worry about it. go about your day.
I don't like this attitude of "we're boned so don't try." You don't have to need to keep your shit from the NSA to want to keep it from Microsoft. Linux is far from obscure. Any "suspicion" based on using it is far less important than the general reduction in footprint it will provide you.
How soon until the first "leak" of customer data that will include various forms of dox, personal bank detail, private materials, and more?
Ofc that's probably the intention so MS can simply sell the data on to interested parties, or even just the sitting Government who can also then edit in the logs and plant files as needed, when wanted.
People who think this means windows is spying on them are going to lose their minds when they realize that Teams, another Microsoft product, can record everything you camera sees and your microphone hears and has existed for years.
There's no "think" about it. These companies are putting measures in place to make spying as easy as possible. We get and agree that they're not actively spying on (most) people. But that's the problem: They're not interested in actively spying. They're interested in inactively spying. On being able to store pages and pages and pages of information on the off-chance you do meaningfully step out of line.
Room 641A has been public knowledge for nearly 2 decades. Nearly twenty years. These companies are complicit in spying. There's no "think" about it. It's objective fact. Yet for some reason, there's people out there that believe for no reason at all, despite the decades upon decades of evidence of corporate and state co-operation and effort at mass surveillance of the public, and despite public backlash have faced NO meaningful reform, punishment or reigning in, would somehow and arbitrarily decide to suddenly become "good".
The biggest lie people tell themselves is that the same entities that have experimented on the public and knowingly engaged in outright atrocities would arbitrarily reform themselves for no reason at all. All because confronting the idea of such an entity still engaging in such behaviour is too uncomfortable.
There's no "think" here. People know this shit. It's happening. The only ones that "think" it's not happening are the ones that mock people who know it happens.
you know, i see people reacting so viscerally to this stuff over and over as if each time a little apocalypse happens -
do you plan to win over the world as an anonymous nobody? do you plan to do it without having a single enemy know who you even are? is bill gates going to wake up one day in a prison cell with all his assets seized scratching his head, wondering "how did all my spy tools fail?", and you will triumphantly reply, "i used linux"?
once your enemy wants you dead he will try to find where you live so he can kill you. unless you are blackmailable, it is of literally no consequence that he also knows you play video games or browse .win sites. i don't like it either, but eventually we need to stop being shocked at our enemies fighting us, and stop prioritizing making broken tranny OSs work over actually fighting back. if you use your PC to fight back they don't have the technology to brick it yet, even on the most up to date windows, and i'd rather fight back than trawl old documentation for two hours on how to make desktop icons not show up.
you're supposed to figure out theory of mind around ages 4 to 5... just because you're a lazy idiot who thinks he's saving the world by trying out different linux kernels doesn't mean i'm as idle as you. i've gone around developing games, making music, and leading people away from the jaws of trannies all on windows, and not once has Billy G remotely shut down my computer. i use o&o shut up and crowbar out anything i don't like. i haven't seen an update in years.
of course, compared to your lordship's grand effect whining about things on this forum, all that doesn't matter, right? i'm "just a glowie" because i dare disagree with you and your scaredy-cat ineffective thought processes. nevermind that it doesn't make any fucking sense, it's just a magic word you use against people you don't like, precisely like our enemies utter the word "racist" and kabbalah mind control turns everyone into rabid dogs.
wake the fuck up, dude. look into the mirror, practice some introspection. if your next reply is as retarded as the last there is every chance in the world you are the one paid to disorganize this forum. glowies asking you to meet under bridges last happened 30 years ago - people pretending to be members but only sowing division are very, very real.
YEAH! FIGHT THE POWER! You slay with those Tiktok dances to resist [insert current cause].
Jesus, you actually think you're "fighting" by making some entertainment? Like that's good. Legitimately, it is. But you're not "fighting", any more than linux shilling is "fighting". But lying down and accepting slop, whether it's Windows or corporate media, won't do a god damned thing to help you out.
There is nothing stopping you from doing both. Yet here you are actively defending the idea of actively not doing one because you'd rather be lazy and defeatist.
people pretending to be members but only sowing division are very, very real.
I agree. So it's funny to me that you're more interested in sowing division because people rightfully care about their privacy rather than continuing to make your media files. But you'd rather unironically defend slop.
You're so interested in starting this fight all because you got a chip on your shoulder about an operating system. Please point to the doll where linux touched you.
the only defeatist here is the one who is already so diminished in strength and ambition that he thinks the only thing anyone could ever do on the largest cultural battleground we know of is make "tiktok dances".
What is fundamentally different between your entertainment and theirs, when they too push forward the whole "RESIST" mentality? I understand the importance of media, don't mistake me, but don't pretend like THAT is the forefront of winning this, because it's just as delusional as any other consoomer take that puts consumerist goods above all else.
Because let's not mince words here: I don't think you're active in your local community. I think you're active online, and that's not bad, but I doubt you even know your neighbours. If you're not making inroads on a local level first and foremost, what's even the point? All of media was against the Vietnam War, and it did nothing to stop that war. What do you think your media is going to do today?
We get and agree that they're not actively spying on (most) people.
The one moment of sanity in this whatever this is.
This new feature requires new hardware in your PC because it moves the processing out of their cloud and onto your local system. But this is somehow actually a move to make spying easier because... your government listens in on a public network?
Future versions of windows will be just like the previous versions. A whole lot of hysteria, followed by the release of a simple tool to turn off all the new crap they added, so that it continues to look and act like windows 7.
Oh, my bad. You're not just woefully retarded. You're an unironic statist that is actually willing to play defence for mass surveillance. I thought there might have been a chance for you.
They've been trying to get me to install their stupid weather widget on 10, even after unchecking all the boxes in settings. I had to uninstall the weather app entirely to get it to stop. This is the most effective marketing campaign for Linux that I've ever seen.
It's really too bad that Linux still isn't a viable consumer alternative.
Sadly, most Linux users don't understand your post and think it is.
They wouldn't be Linux users if they did.
Mark my words: this will run permanently in the BG, maybe hidden in some way. They will spy on you.
It's already done, just without the screen recording. They already record background info and diagnostic info.
I know this is just going to shit all over it some more, now also with images to accompany that. And some people honestly will celebrate this.
Honestly, you could just do similar with tools already available and without Windows doing that.
What's the actual sales pitch behind it? Is it as a virtual helper AI? Because shit like that is sci fi levels of helpful and usefulness, and I'd actually really want it. If I actually controlled it and it wasn't just monitoring me 24/7 and the helping me was just a bribe to allow me to be monitored. If I actually owned a helper AI that would be great.
Thing is it'll never be in your hands with those cloud-based AI's. Same as with any cloud if it's not on your hardware it's not yours.
Yea. Even if helpful at first, a new blackrock grifter ceo will eventually turn it to shit. Windows already has some "timeline" feature so you can see what you were working on x days ago, so I'm guessing the sell is something like that. The recent files is enough for me.
Indeed, which is where open-source tools and self-hosting are the way to go if you want to maintain some degree of control and safety while yielding some useful benefits. Even better I guess if one ventures forth into Distro-land.
"We get to keep our monopoly by playing ball with the NSA."
They "will" spy on you? As if Windows hasn't been doing it for YEARS. They're just being more blatant about it now.
The openness in which they speak about spying on the users, is directly proportional to the ignorance of the users on how much they're being spied on.
They will spy on you even more*
There, fixed.
If you're not migrating to an open source desktop OS already you're not gonna make it.
Is Ubuntu any good? Which OS do you recommend?
Not sure what others will say, but I think Linux Mint is probably the best for new users.
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Any arrangement of debian packages that suits a new user is good for them. I think Unity kinda looks like Mac, so if they are a mac person it might be appropriate. Or even for someone who's primary experience is Android.
If you like to have a "start" bar as I do, Mint is good for that.
I don't like to get people into compiling right away, and Debian has the most convenient packages, whether you get them downstream from Ubuntu or whatever. You can effectively switch between flavors (desktops) at the command line, so your noob isn't stuck with their first choice (though it may be easiest if you switch for them).
The only one I have personal experience with as a regular desktop OS is Ubuntu and it does everything I've ever used a Windows computer for with very little hassle. Browsers are browsers, LibreOffice is LibreOffice, all my Steam games work the same, etc. I've never had any problems with drivers, wifi, or anything else that people usually post about when desktop Linux comes up.
Ubuntu is fine. I think you have to try a little bit. Switching the GUI is not as hard as switching to Linux in the first place. It's easy.
your hardware is backdoored. your HD controller embedded processor is backdoored. all of Linux is pozzed and most likely backdoored. youre already on the list. by using some more obscure OS youre just drawing attention. youre not part of some foreign spy ring, are you? just don't worry about it. go about your day.
I don't like this attitude of "we're boned so don't try." You don't have to need to keep your shit from the NSA to want to keep it from Microsoft. Linux is far from obscure. Any "suspicion" based on using it is far less important than the general reduction in footprint it will provide you.
How soon until the first "leak" of customer data that will include various forms of dox, personal bank detail, private materials, and more?
Ofc that's probably the intention so MS can simply sell the data on to interested parties, or even just the sitting Government who can also then edit in the logs and plant files as needed, when wanted.
While much of the open-source community is pozzed, I much rather use Linux than using an OS that spies on me.
And at the end of the day, FOSS absolutely has to run on some sort of meritocracy or otherwise, it’ll cease to exist.
sometimes i'm glad to still be using a 17-year old pc running on XP
Lucky! My XP PC crapped out. I'm on Win7 now.
can't access a bunch of sites including twitter, but that's both a blessing and a curse
Ahh, interesting. As you say, definitely a part blessing.
Hard to imagine doing that other than vintage computer experimentation...
17 years ago was 2007, so it's not a 90s CRT-screen dinosaur or something
plus planned obsolescence makes me not want to switch until it kicks the bucket for good
They did that in windows 8/10 too.
https://x.com/svpino/status/1792957041612337331
here’s Sataya talking about it - all being done locally*
(* - Seattle’s local Microsoft servers and with only a few backups at the CIA, FBI)
Remember the telescreen in 1984? They really are using that book as an instruction manual.
People who think this means windows is spying on them are going to lose their minds when they realize that Teams, another Microsoft product, can record everything you camera sees and your microphone hears and has existed for years.
There's no "think" about it. These companies are putting measures in place to make spying as easy as possible. We get and agree that they're not actively spying on (most) people. But that's the problem: They're not interested in actively spying. They're interested in inactively spying. On being able to store pages and pages and pages of information on the off-chance you do meaningfully step out of line.
Room 641A has been public knowledge for nearly 2 decades. Nearly twenty years. These companies are complicit in spying. There's no "think" about it. It's objective fact. Yet for some reason, there's people out there that believe for no reason at all, despite the decades upon decades of evidence of corporate and state co-operation and effort at mass surveillance of the public, and despite public backlash have faced NO meaningful reform, punishment or reigning in, would somehow and arbitrarily decide to suddenly become "good".
The biggest lie people tell themselves is that the same entities that have experimented on the public and knowingly engaged in outright atrocities would arbitrarily reform themselves for no reason at all. All because confronting the idea of such an entity still engaging in such behaviour is too uncomfortable.
There's no "think" here. People know this shit. It's happening. The only ones that "think" it's not happening are the ones that mock people who know it happens.
you know, i see people reacting so viscerally to this stuff over and over as if each time a little apocalypse happens -
do you plan to win over the world as an anonymous nobody? do you plan to do it without having a single enemy know who you even are? is bill gates going to wake up one day in a prison cell with all his assets seized scratching his head, wondering "how did all my spy tools fail?", and you will triumphantly reply, "i used linux"?
once your enemy wants you dead he will try to find where you live so he can kill you. unless you are blackmailable, it is of literally no consequence that he also knows you play video games or browse .win sites. i don't like it either, but eventually we need to stop being shocked at our enemies fighting us, and stop prioritizing making broken tranny OSs work over actually fighting back. if you use your PC to fight back they don't have the technology to brick it yet, even on the most up to date windows, and i'd rather fight back than trawl old documentation for two hours on how to make desktop icons not show up.
Wow, that's some top tier glowing.
The irony of wanting to "fight back" (all from the comfort of your armchair) and then doing literally fucking nothing to even try and secure yourself.
You've got an awful lot of mockery there for not a lot of action. So please Mr Glow, why don't you show us how it's done?
you're supposed to figure out theory of mind around ages 4 to 5... just because you're a lazy idiot who thinks he's saving the world by trying out different linux kernels doesn't mean i'm as idle as you. i've gone around developing games, making music, and leading people away from the jaws of trannies all on windows, and not once has Billy G remotely shut down my computer. i use o&o shut up and crowbar out anything i don't like. i haven't seen an update in years.
of course, compared to your lordship's grand effect whining about things on this forum, all that doesn't matter, right? i'm "just a glowie" because i dare disagree with you and your scaredy-cat ineffective thought processes. nevermind that it doesn't make any fucking sense, it's just a magic word you use against people you don't like, precisely like our enemies utter the word "racist" and kabbalah mind control turns everyone into rabid dogs.
wake the fuck up, dude. look into the mirror, practice some introspection. if your next reply is as retarded as the last there is every chance in the world you are the one paid to disorganize this forum. glowies asking you to meet under bridges last happened 30 years ago - people pretending to be members but only sowing division are very, very real.
YEAH! FIGHT THE POWER! You slay with those Tiktok dances to resist [insert current cause].
Jesus, you actually think you're "fighting" by making some entertainment? Like that's good. Legitimately, it is. But you're not "fighting", any more than linux shilling is "fighting". But lying down and accepting slop, whether it's Windows or corporate media, won't do a god damned thing to help you out.
There is nothing stopping you from doing both. Yet here you are actively defending the idea of actively not doing one because you'd rather be lazy and defeatist.
I agree. So it's funny to me that you're more interested in sowing division because people rightfully care about their privacy rather than continuing to make your media files. But you'd rather unironically defend slop.
You're so interested in starting this fight all because you got a chip on your shoulder about an operating system. Please point to the doll where linux touched you.
the only defeatist here is the one who is already so diminished in strength and ambition that he thinks the only thing anyone could ever do on the largest cultural battleground we know of is make "tiktok dances".
What is fundamentally different between your entertainment and theirs, when they too push forward the whole "RESIST" mentality? I understand the importance of media, don't mistake me, but don't pretend like THAT is the forefront of winning this, because it's just as delusional as any other consoomer take that puts consumerist goods above all else.
Because let's not mince words here: I don't think you're active in your local community. I think you're active online, and that's not bad, but I doubt you even know your neighbours. If you're not making inroads on a local level first and foremost, what's even the point? All of media was against the Vietnam War, and it did nothing to stop that war. What do you think your media is going to do today?
The one moment of sanity in this whatever this is.
This new feature requires new hardware in your PC because it moves the processing out of their cloud and onto your local system. But this is somehow actually a move to make spying easier because... your government listens in on a public network?
Future versions of windows will be just like the previous versions. A whole lot of hysteria, followed by the release of a simple tool to turn off all the new crap they added, so that it continues to look and act like windows 7.
Oh, my bad. You're not just woefully retarded. You're an unironic statist that is actually willing to play defence for mass surveillance. I thought there might have been a chance for you.
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