So I watched the whole thing, I had a day off today (didn't time it like that) and I thought I'd share my opinions on it. I took a few notes thoughout but I'll give a TDLR then I'll go for spoilers to discuss it. As a prefix, I went in with low expectations.
TDLR: it's actually alright, the one thing that might bother me most is a few lore issues
Spoilers: To set this out, three things I have to state:
Fallout 2: 2241
Fallout New Vegas: 2281
This TV show Fallout: 2296
Ok now the timeline is set up I can state this, THEY NUKED SHADY SANDS AFTER 2277. NCR are practically gone, they either joined the Brotherhood, joined Vault 4 which is a Amazon made Vault along with 33, 32 and 31 or exist as a remnant faction. They were the raiders in the first episode that infiltrated 32 to get to the MC's Vault 33 to get her dad who turns out, an ORIGINAL vault tec employee and HE was the one that nuked Shady Sands...because his wife (MC's mom) found out NCR existed so they don't need to be in the vaults anymore. This was the BIG thing that stuck out to me as a "WTF they did this? This can't be cannon!?' moment. Oh and the show confirmed Vault-Tec started the great war, they arranged it in co-operation with Robco, Big MT, REPCONN and West-Tek. And the end of this show (which is setting up for a season 2) implied a House Wins ending for Fallout New Vegas
The good: Set design was on point, I can't really complain about that as they portrayed power Armour well. One of the main characters, the ghoul Cooper (best character) because he fought in them during the battle for anchorage KNEW their weakpoint so in the last episode took out several Brotherhood. The OST is still good and enjoyed seeing before the war and the action scenes were good and very gory.
The bad: Lore wise, it's a mess. Not just the whole 'a bad dad nuked Shady Sands' and no explanation for it other than 'he's a Vault-Tec employee', a lot of things were inconsistent. The West Coast Brotherhood having the same Vertibirds as the East coast and an airship not to mention the West Coast recruiting openly. The main 'bad woman' is over 200 years old but no explanation for it really, oh and shes the original creatir of Cold Fusion, that's the Macguffin everyone is working around (it was on an Enclave scientist which also Enclave exist on the MAINLAND WEST both Brotherhood and NCR wiped them out) and in the end, the Brotherhood now have access to cold fusion. The lore is such a mess to a long term gamer. Also apparently there's a serum now that halts Ghouls going feral, that's new. And no mention of any other vaults most critically Vault 15 which Shady Sands was built around.
The ugly: let's talk about how woke it is, to be honest it isn't that woke. The biggest woke character might be the 'main villain' who made to be the sympathetic villian as it was actually the MC's father fault. You might say the evil capitalists colluding with Vault-Tec not just to start the Great War (which goes against House's lore in Fallout NV) but the experiments in the vaults but that's a stretch as Cooper's wife who's Black, she's the cunt that proposes that idea in the meeting, so not painting diversity in a good light as the new villain in Vault 33 is also diverse. Maybe Knight Titus who was such an unlikeable dick was hating on white guys but he barely lasted one scene so meh.
Honestly, the best people were the white guys, the MC's brother using his own intellect investigates the truth behind their vault on their own and it's heavily implied either him or Betty the new Black overseer posioned all the raiders in revenge. Cooper as it showed prewar him discovering the truth behind Vault-Tec and as a Ghoul the guy everyone is scared to fuck with as he demonstrates his skills.
The main two, Lucy the Vault dweller and Maximus the Scribe are pretty incompetent. Lucy is just TOO naive for the wastelands and suffers everytime for it and Maximus is more aware of his surroundings but isn't the most competent or making the best decisions.
So that's my notes for Fallout series, I know it's weird, it ain't too woke, is actually alright but the one part it doesn't make sense is the lore timeline. This has to be a seperate TV universe is my only conclusion. Feel free to ask about any aspects of the show and I'll try answer as best I can.
Why change the lore like that? Just set it in the proper timeline. Better yet, set it during/after Fallout 4 and set it in a place we haven't been before, like Chicago. That way you have way more freedom to make new stuff, but don't have to fuck with current lore.
It's Fallout, it shouldn't be that hard to expand the setting as long as it's in America.
I have a feeling it's so in the beginning they seem to be raiders that managed to get into Vault 32 to then get to Vault 33 to get the MC's dad and the leader eludes to knowing the MC's mom
When, surprise! Turns out they're the NCR, they're the underdog good guys and they where helping a woman who lived for centuries trying to make free power. They needed the NCR to be the good guys so needed them to be the underdogs.
In the standard timeline, they'd be morally grey but also TOO powerful to be wiped out in one nuke.
The lefts incessant need for the good guys to be the underdogs just baffles me.
The revolution never ends, tovarish.
It's just another expression of their inherently satanic core beliefs.
They REALLY have a habit of doing that, look at Star Wars, first movie in and republic planets are sinders.
They believe that being the underdog is a moral good. It's the reason they play the oppression Olympics.
If the Good party could be the overdog, and win, well, what does that say about history? That maybe not everyone prior to themselves was pure evil! But if everyone in history wasn't evil, then maybe, just maybe, they aren't the avatar of pure Good, either! Oh no!
Honestly I don’t even care if it’s good, because even if it is it will just be in service to more Bethesda pig-slop.
Fair enough no reason to watch if not interested.
I just started with first episode as a test, then watched the rest as I didn't see clear woke which is surprising for a franchise show.
No Liberty Prime?! Hard pass.
("But it can't be there!", well, they're ignoring the canon and fucking with canon anyways, so why not?)
That would be a REALLY short series:
"Help bad guys are attacking!"
"OK who are they?"
"Vault-Tec!"
"Ok, programing Vault-Tec as commies.."
"COMMUNISTS DETECTED ON AMERICAN SOIL, LETHAL FORCE AUTHORISED!"
The end.
Saw the trailer, hard pass. The whole set is too squeaky clean for a post apoc.
Every trailer / thumbnail has the chick doing that stupid pose with her palm or a nigger in a mech suit.
Kay
Fabe
Okie dokie.
Told you I'd put it up lol
I know, Lucy says okie dokie in the show.
Holy shit, mediocre passing-woke fallout drivel? I'm off to sail the high seas me hearties.
Of course this is the bait and S2 can be expected to munch the rugs.
does it have faggots? that is my line in the sand
Actually I can't remember any...huh
What did you think of the soundtrack? I thought it was good.
I'd say it was good, that visuals and set design were really good.
Yeah the sets and music is pretty dead on Fallout.
While what you wrote about the show doesn't sound bad, I can't be bothered to get invested in giving these companies a second of my time. Also, this reeks of the First Season Netflix Syndrome.
Basically, they know they can't go full woke in the first season so they lure people in with something decent, and then in the second/third season they go full woke.
We've seen this happen so many times now that pattern recognition should tell us that this is what they're doing here. It's not like Amazon stopped magically being woke, or that major companies are actually trying to make money now.
While some shows go full woke on the first season, others will wait a season or two before heading in that direction, and that's likely what's going to happen here.
Essentially, they don't go woke with Mary sues or the minorities being the good guys.
The REAL issue is that because Bethesda are saying it's cannon, it's an attack and a delegitimization of ALL Fallout lore not exclusively made by Bethesda. It's what Disney did to Star Wars only less overtly woke pandering.
Ehhh, I wouldn't be so quick to say it's less overtly woke. Keep in mind that The Force Awakens didn't seem to be too far off from how you described the first season of the Fallout series in terms of wokeness. That is to say, there weren't overt woke red flags everywhere, but enough to get people murmuring.
It was only after producing more content and erasing past lore did we start to see just how pandering and how woke Star Wars would become under Disney.
I get the feeling the first season of Fallout might be the same way... with the more woke elements coming in the latter seasons after they capture a sizable enough audience.
I don't doubt that that being a high probability. Unfortunately it seems a running theme of Western studios bottling a later seasons instead of improving upon the first...
That's true... if the studios had the intention of producing content to actually make money from consumers, then they absolutely would be gunning to improve upon the initial release of a product. But unfortunately they are being shadow-financed by DEI propagators, so until that changes, everything they do will be focused on spreading "The Message" rather than trying to simply make money from loyal customers.
Do you need to have played the game to enjoy it?
I think you’ll probably enjoy it way more if you haven’t played the games, or at least if you’ve only played 3 and 4.
Probably, I'd say I'd have enjoyed it if I never played Fallout New Vegas, which is the best of the first person ones.
Which isn't a good advertisement, don't play the best Fallout game we ever made to watch our show.
I do like NV, but I'm too old I guess, I just love 1,2 and tactics way more.
Nope as I said, the lore discrepancies make me think this is a seperate universe from the games, only way it makes sense.
Disrespecting the lore is an automatic pass from me and shows even if it's not woke it's just some generic shit that happens to be Fallout themed. Even when they're not woke they can't get anything right these days and the quality has gone downhill.
Thanks for giving me a heads up on all of that though, the fact they just snubbed the whole concept of NCR even though it's a massive unavoidable faction in the lore is a no no. I know Ceaser's Legion was New Vegas specific but even in the lore generally that was acknowledged as a major faction too. If it's past the new vegas timeline then the brotherhood of steel shouldn't be as prevalent in the story really but they probably wanted an excuse to show power armour all over the place.
I had a look around, apparently according to Todd Howard himself, it's cannon.
So everyone who loved the NCR
They're fucked themselves with any future games too if they do that, the ONLY one that could go toe to toe with the West Coast Brotherhood is NCR, even if they lost in New Vegas.
As I also said, this doesn't make sense for House himself as if was involved from the ground of planning the great war, why weren't his defences ready in time? Did he miss the memo of today we are nuking the earth, make sure express delivery for an important computer chip is before then?
None of that makes sense but I shouldn't be fucking surprised, what was interesting about the New Vegas story was the companion Veronica for example frequently posited that even with the BoS and their technology they would simply be overwhelmed by the numbers and organisation of NCR which is why they ended up losing the solar power plant to them ultimately and they completely underestimated that. She would often despair over it in her dialogue because the BoS are a bunch of zealous power mad retards especially compared to the Lyon's faction which they wiped from existence in Fallout 4. Kind of funny really because in Fallout 3 I considered them major good guys because of Lyons but happily wiped them out and picked any other faction apart from them because Elder Maxon was a douche.
Even if you can argue Shady Sands getting nuked is 'muh canon' it doesn't make sense that NCR gets wiped out by one attack because there's so many supporters for the old world style government even in the lore. I'm nerding out big time here but yeah, this is why I've completely given up on western shows and games like this. They're just going to pander to whatever the normies like consistency be damned.
I feel you, when I saw the scene I immediately paused, went to the wiki to check timelines and went 'WTF!?!?!'
I also did that for the enclave base as they were ANNIHILATED by combined Brotherhood and NCR attacks after Fallout 2.
I feel like this is another Todd fucking up focusing more on promoting than delivering. The only saving grace is if after he goes 'it's cannon to a TV universe, the game is a seperate universe' because if not you throw having a future title having the potential of NCR vs East Coast Brotherhood.
Fallout 3 was a mistake. Rather than make make up new factions entirely, Bethesda just reused what was in the originals, like the Brotherhood, Enclave, and Super Mutants, inexplicably slapped them on the other side of the country, and made them bigger and more prominent than ever for no other reason than because they were "iconic." Now they're expected to be in every Fallout-related product no matter how little sense it makes (and no matter how many opportunities the games give us to wipe them out).
Yeah, when you compare it to Fallout New Vegas where it is a continuation that makes sense with the rise of the NCR, the issues with the Brotherhood, the Enclave remnants and even the Legion.
I do think that the Brotherhood split for 3 to happen is fine only because I don't want Liberty Prime to not exist and means there is a different direction kinda like tactics but not as huge.
He's being a massive moron even from a Fallout RPG perspective, there would be so much potential for an Enclave comeback game where you get to play as the bad guys. Could have it in one of the areas where the Enclave is properly present and have it as a legitimate building game and it would be very interesting being able to recruit and build up the Enclave and have them as a power base again.
Instead we get shit like Starfield and I bet the new Elder Scrolls game is going to be absolute procedurally generated garbage as well. May as well build our own games frankly, I don't trust them anymore because of the ESG/DEI stuff.
Dude, I have literally written in my head a Fallout 5 with that premise!
Have the protagonist be a child of an East coast enclave remnant that escaped Adams Air Force base for a hidden bunker near Chicago. Have the remnants that escaped with them disband and blend into the population only years later after some kind of situation you have to flee your home so they take you to the one place they know is safe, the old bunker and from there you can decide how to use it from bringing back the Enclave, joining a fraction or doing your own thing from a Mercenary empire to your own faction using old and later updated Enclave tech and equipment.
Todd Howard already confirmed it's canon to the games. It's not like I needed more of a reason to ignore Bethesda's next anything after the faggotry of Fallout 76 and Starfield.
I'm watching it with my wife. I love the games, she's never played anything past Sonic. She's liking it, as am I.