For some bizarre reason, the creator of this shit apparently insists that Irene Adler "chose to live as a man" in the original Conan-Doyle story...
There is zero evidence to back that up. Zero. And I have actually read the damn books... Everything in there suggests quite the opposite. Her character wouldn't even work, otherwise, given that her being a woman is the whole point of her being written in there...
Fuck I wish degenerates would cease to attempt to claim "historical legitimacy" by stealing away obviously straight, obviously "cis" historical characters and stories like this. That's just plain evil.
Tbh this how fiction SHOULD be able to be handled, and is the core of why IP law is the devil.
This is my hill, but the modern form of storytelling belonging to the author is
Brand fucking new
Ass Fucking Backwards
The worst.
Corporate bullshit.
Oral tradition and storytelling tradition for all of human history has been derivative and spiraling. Nobody ever got fined for telling a variant on the Thesues myth. And the same thing holds today.
Cause some corporate suit fucks paid Lucas a bazillion dollars now the men with guns will stop you from playing pretend too good in THEIR way. This is THEIR PRETEND! WE OWN THESE THOUGHTS.
You'll never convince me that any of that makes sense.
Fuck two of my favorite pieces of writing are respectively Calvin and Hobbes fanfic and a Harry Potter one.
And Astartes is better than anything Amazon and Cavil will produce. And guess what? Suck it. He played pretend better than you did.
Not a big fanfiction fan but I'm with you and would go as far as saying "death of the author" is a good thing - just not as it's typically used, as a rationalization of leftist cultural subversion. It's not so much that there shouldn't be respect for the overall canon or integrity of a story, but that at the end of the day it's us fans who decide what to accept as canon.
If some weirdo writes a Kirk and Spock gay slash fanfic, most of us pay it no mind and it's forgotten. If someone produces a really good Star Trek spinoff series, we can accept that into the lore and include it in future stories. It shouldn't matter if Paramount suits approved the series or not. We decide.
The manga is called Moriarty the Patriot. It's some "askshully what if Moriarty was the good guy" and grafts James Bond fanfiction onto the Sherlock Holmes fanfiction. It pretty much gives no fucks about canon and yes, it's saying the character is trans.
What I saw of it, it reads like “trans man wish fulfillment”…
But also, the fans insist that she isn’t actually trans, and is really just a bisexual crossdresser taking advantage of the situation…
Which… Makes me hate the wiki even more, I guess..?
Female crossdressers, while ick, are far less ick than what the wiki implies… Or indeed, people in general (so women and trannies, mainly) who insist that “deadnaming” is a real thing, lol.
Irene Adler, yes. That is to say, the one prominent woman in the original novels (and I wouldn’t say she is particularly “prominent”, there, either, as she only features *once)…
Who Conan-Doyle marries off (to a man, obviously, lol) and sends away to a different country, by the end, anyway, lol.
But yeah, Irene Adler. So… Rachel McAdams in the movies, or Natalie Dormer in Elementary (sort of).
Ohh. Ok. I read the come Sherlock stories a long time ago and now vaguely remember. So I take it that manga isn’t good or it’s other people pushing this crap
It's such a long list of adaptations bastardizing the character of Irene Adler. She is a woman who gets married to her beloved in the Sherlock Holmes story, and almost every adaptation since has tied to make her a villain or in love with Holmes or both. Godfrey Norton is pretty much forgotten.
However iirc Moriarty the Patriot plays about as fast and loose with the canon material as they do with the English language making word vomit for their J-Pop songs.
Destiny from X-Men is literally named Irene Adler. Mystique shapeshifted into Sherlock Holmes to be the face of things while Destiny simply used her precog powers to solve everything.
This is despite the fact "the real" Sherlock Holmes somehow still also existed.
European Literary Classics are often perverted and twisted in Japanese media, simply because they've used them so many times its the only way to not outright copy someone.
I mean, just look at what SMT has done to basically every mythology or religion in existence.
I'm not saying its a cool thing to do, but I'm far less offended by it when its in an "equal opportunity" manner as Japan is about these things.
So, like with a lot of interpretations of Japanese gender weirdness, is this just Adler who faked her own death and is pretending to be a man for some plot? Like, literally just a disguise? Because so much of this shit keeps getting blown up by tranny lunatics in the West, when the actual Japanese version is just crossdressing, and has nothing to do with "gender" at all.
The wiki claims that the author of the manga made the “Irene Adler is trans in the original” comments as justification for the character’s existence, lol…
If it were just some weird obscure fan fiction (because sadly Holmes is now public domain anyway, so anyone can do anything with it, pretty much), then I wouldn’t give a shit, but that is not what the author claims…
For some bizarre reason, the creator of this shit apparently insists that Irene Adler "chose to live as a man" in the original Conan-Doyle story...
There is zero evidence to back that up. Zero. And I have actually read the damn books... Everything in there suggests quite the opposite. Her character wouldn't even work, otherwise, given that her being a woman is the whole point of her being written in there...
Fuck I wish degenerates would cease to attempt to claim "historical legitimacy" by stealing away obviously straight, obviously "cis" historical characters and stories like this. That's just plain evil.
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looks at comment
slowly withdraws Webley from coat pocket
Keep your hands in the open, old chap, don't want any trouble to occur...
I think we can trust Moriarty on his take here
In this specific context? Absolutely not
Tbh this how fiction SHOULD be able to be handled, and is the core of why IP law is the devil.
This is my hill, but the modern form of storytelling belonging to the author is
Brand fucking new
Ass Fucking Backwards
The worst.
Corporate bullshit.
Oral tradition and storytelling tradition for all of human history has been derivative and spiraling. Nobody ever got fined for telling a variant on the Thesues myth. And the same thing holds today.
Cause some corporate suit fucks paid Lucas a bazillion dollars now the men with guns will stop you from playing pretend too good in THEIR way. This is THEIR PRETEND! WE OWN THESE THOUGHTS.
You'll never convince me that any of that makes sense.
Fuck two of my favorite pieces of writing are respectively Calvin and Hobbes fanfic and a Harry Potter one.
And Astartes is better than anything Amazon and Cavil will produce. And guess what? Suck it. He played pretend better than you did.
Not a big fanfiction fan but I'm with you and would go as far as saying "death of the author" is a good thing - just not as it's typically used, as a rationalization of leftist cultural subversion. It's not so much that there shouldn't be respect for the overall canon or integrity of a story, but that at the end of the day it's us fans who decide what to accept as canon.
If some weirdo writes a Kirk and Spock gay slash fanfic, most of us pay it no mind and it's forgotten. If someone produces a really good Star Trek spinoff series, we can accept that into the lore and include it in future stories. It shouldn't matter if Paramount suits approved the series or not. We decide.
I want my 300 QP back, that Evil Testament tome was a total ripoff.
The story is based on a Sherlock Holmes story? They are flat out saying a character is trans?
The manga is called Moriarty the Patriot. It's some "askshully what if Moriarty was the good guy" and grafts James Bond fanfiction onto the Sherlock Holmes fanfiction. It pretty much gives no fucks about canon and yes, it's saying the character is trans.
Ohh. Ok. Well that’s enough for me not to want to read it. I’d rather read those books about Sherlock’s younger sister
What I saw of it, it reads like “trans man wish fulfillment”…
But also, the fans insist that she isn’t actually trans, and is really just a bisexual crossdresser taking advantage of the situation…
Which… Makes me hate the wiki even more, I guess..?
Female crossdressers, while ick, are far less ick than what the wiki implies… Or indeed, people in general (so women and trannies, mainly) who insist that “deadnaming” is a real thing, lol.
Irene Adler, yes. That is to say, the one prominent woman in the original novels (and I wouldn’t say she is particularly “prominent”, there, either, as she only features *once)…
Who Conan-Doyle marries off (to a man, obviously, lol) and sends away to a different country, by the end, anyway, lol.
But yeah, Irene Adler. So… Rachel McAdams in the movies, or Natalie Dormer in Elementary (sort of).
Ohh. Ok. I read the come Sherlock stories a long time ago and now vaguely remember. So I take it that manga isn’t good or it’s other people pushing this crap
Maybe it's time to make all gay bi and trans people straight.
Revision us some history.
It's such a long list of adaptations bastardizing the character of Irene Adler. She is a woman who gets married to her beloved in the Sherlock Holmes story, and almost every adaptation since has tied to make her a villain or in love with Holmes or both. Godfrey Norton is pretty much forgotten.
However iirc Moriarty the Patriot plays about as fast and loose with the canon material as they do with the English language making word vomit for their J-Pop songs.
Moriarty is the good guy, it doesn't get much more fast and loose than that.
If you want, I can add one more you'll wish you didn't know about.
Sigh Do it
Destiny from X-Men is literally named Irene Adler. Mystique shapeshifted into Sherlock Holmes to be the face of things while Destiny simply used her precog powers to solve everything.
This is despite the fact "the real" Sherlock Holmes somehow still also existed.
Nobody expects /fur. But the way the internet is, they probably should.
European Literary Classics are often perverted and twisted in Japanese media, simply because they've used them so many times its the only way to not outright copy someone.
I mean, just look at what SMT has done to basically every mythology or religion in existence.
I'm not saying its a cool thing to do, but I'm far less offended by it when its in an "equal opportunity" manner as Japan is about these things.
Zombie Land Saga and its consequences have been a disaster for the manga/anime industry.
i think Hetalia popularized this type of content with bishonen Allies and Axis countries
Hetalia had none of this "validate me or else" bullshit.
So, like with a lot of interpretations of Japanese gender weirdness, is this just Adler who faked her own death and is pretending to be a man for some plot? Like, literally just a disguise? Because so much of this shit keeps getting blown up by tranny lunatics in the West, when the actual Japanese version is just crossdressing, and has nothing to do with "gender" at all.
Yes. Like, literally. But the wiki insists otherwise (despite contradicting itself while doing so), because of course it does…
I hate it. These people are insufferable.
I mean this isn't Canon at all. At worst it's published fanfiction, at best it's an au. Just ignore it?
That's the exact mindset I take with disney Star Wars.
The wiki claims that the author of the manga made the “Irene Adler is trans in the original” comments as justification for the character’s existence, lol…
If it were just some weird obscure fan fiction (because sadly Holmes is now public domain anyway, so anyone can do anything with it, pretty much), then I wouldn’t give a shit, but that is not what the author claims…
I mean, they would be wrong. And Irene Adlers existence in the holmes mythology is so damn overstated anyway.