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I'm not a huge manga fan, but I am a big fan of both James Bond and Sherlock Holmes. Therefore, I hate everything about this - the concept of the character, the wokeness of the wiki itself, the "tone policing" and the fact that fucking "deadnaming" has even made its way into that "artform"... (archive.is)
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– bamboozler1 [S] 20 points 2 years ago +20 / -0

For some bizarre reason, the creator of this shit apparently insists that Irene Adler "chose to live as a man" in the original Conan-Doyle story...

There is zero evidence to back that up. Zero. And I have actually read the damn books... Everything in there suggests quite the opposite. Her character wouldn't even work, otherwise, given that her being a woman is the whole point of her being written in there...

Fuck I wish degenerates would cease to attempt to claim "historical legitimacy" by stealing away obviously straight, obviously "cis" historical characters and stories like this. That's just plain evil.

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– MassivePecorino 11 points 2 years ago +11 / -0

looks at user name

looks at comment

slowly withdraws Webley from coat pocket

Keep your hands in the open, old chap, don't want any trouble to occur...

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– Graphenium 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

I think we can trust Moriarty on his take here

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– Archie78 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

In this specific context? Absolutely not

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– Theacefospades 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

Tbh this how fiction SHOULD be able to be handled, and is the core of why IP law is the devil.

This is my hill, but the modern form of storytelling belonging to the author is

  1. Brand fucking new

  2. Ass Fucking Backwards

  3. The worst.

  4. Corporate bullshit.

Oral tradition and storytelling tradition for all of human history has been derivative and spiraling. Nobody ever got fined for telling a variant on the Thesues myth. And the same thing holds today.

Cause some corporate suit fucks paid Lucas a bazillion dollars now the men with guns will stop you from playing pretend too good in THEIR way. This is THEIR PRETEND! WE OWN THESE THOUGHTS.

You'll never convince me that any of that makes sense.

Fuck two of my favorite pieces of writing are respectively Calvin and Hobbes fanfic and a Harry Potter one.

And Astartes is better than anything Amazon and Cavil will produce. And guess what? Suck it. He played pretend better than you did.

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– Assassin47 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

Not a big fanfiction fan but I'm with you and would go as far as saying "death of the author" is a good thing - just not as it's typically used, as a rationalization of leftist cultural subversion. It's not so much that there shouldn't be respect for the overall canon or integrity of a story, but that at the end of the day it's us fans who decide what to accept as canon.

If some weirdo writes a Kirk and Spock gay slash fanfic, most of us pay it no mind and it's forgotten. If someone produces a really good Star Trek spinoff series, we can accept that into the lore and include it in future stories. It shouldn't matter if Paramount suits approved the series or not. We decide.

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– Norenia 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

I want my 300 QP back, that Evil Testament tome was a total ripoff.

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– Smith1980 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

The story is based on a Sherlock Holmes story? They are flat out saying a character is trans?

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– Daucus9 13 points 2 years ago +13 / -0

The manga is called Moriarty the Patriot. It's some "askshully what if Moriarty was the good guy" and grafts James Bond fanfiction onto the Sherlock Holmes fanfiction. It pretty much gives no fucks about canon and yes, it's saying the character is trans.

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– Smith1980 8 points 2 years ago +8 / -0

Ohh. Ok. Well that’s enough for me not to want to read it. I’d rather read those books about Sherlock’s younger sister

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– bamboozler1 [S] 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

What I saw of it, it reads like “trans man wish fulfillment”…

But also, the fans insist that she isn’t actually trans, and is really just a bisexual crossdresser taking advantage of the situation…

Which… Makes me hate the wiki even more, I guess..?

Female crossdressers, while ick, are far less ick than what the wiki implies… Or indeed, people in general (so women and trannies, mainly) who insist that “deadnaming” is a real thing, lol.

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– bamboozler1 [S] 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

Irene Adler, yes. That is to say, the one prominent woman in the original novels (and I wouldn’t say she is particularly “prominent”, there, either, as she only features *once)…

Who Conan-Doyle marries off (to a man, obviously, lol) and sends away to a different country, by the end, anyway, lol.

But yeah, Irene Adler. So… Rachel McAdams in the movies, or Natalie Dormer in Elementary (sort of).

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– Smith1980 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Ohh. Ok. I read the come Sherlock stories a long time ago and now vaguely remember. So I take it that manga isn’t good or it’s other people pushing this crap

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– nuggetpatrol 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Maybe it's time to make all gay bi and trans people straight.

Revision us some history.

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