I was browsing a HEMA subreddit, Historically European Martial Arts, and some guy was crying that a white nationalist was in his club. He wanted to know how to avoid attracting qhite nationalist and a lot of folks were arguing to remove the European part because being European isn't inclusive. Are white people so cucked that including European in our own cultures considered racist?
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In [Current Year], and to many normies? Absolutely.
Stupid, but here we are.
This is why I kept posting that foreigners especially Americans didn't understand, the British are a lot like this too with our own heritage, tons of white guilt.
none of this is organic, it was done to us.
This can be solved with racism.
Racism doesn't harm "minorities", it bonds you with your own tribe. That is why it's absolutely taboo.
Preaching to the choir, bub.
They should change it to HOMOS, Hilariously Obtuse Memeable Oafs with Swords, to make it more inclusive to the queer community and the neurodivergent.
Yes, the sub was saying wear pride shirts and blm stuff to bother folks.
I hope they do, to further identify who they are to the rest of us, if the blue hair, morbid obesity, low T, high estrogen, face mask, sanpaku eyes, and screeching about [current thing] weren't telling enough.
I've done some hema, and it was fun, but that acronym is pretty fitting from what I experienced.
What about Fabulously Adventurous Guys with Spears? More legit.
Typical Reddit for you. But what European martial arts are there outside of Dutch kickboxing and Queensbury boxing? Is it some sword techniques or something? Maybe I should check out the sub before they remove it.
It's historical sword play.
It's ltke fencing, but it attempts to simulate a real sword fight. There are a variety of different swords which are popular to fight with: longsword, saber, rapier, side sword and buckler, smallsword and others. You can get a pretty good cardio workout if you go hard, but it's not boring like calisthenics or jogging. It's fun you don't take it too seriously, and have good people to fight with. Some of the techniques are pretty made up, but the better clubs try to learn what they can from historical manuals. Tends to attract a lot of nerds.
to add to the existing replies, a large portion of HEMA involves reading and studying the surviving manuals written by mercenaries and swordmasters throughout history. for many clubs, it is about reviving dead martial arts.
Challenge him to single combat.
I will gladly serve as that huwyte man's second.
That’s hilariously retarded. All the famous martial arts are Asian (plus the one South American one and one Israeli one). The entire point of a distinction like “European” or any other such qualifier, in a field where that qualifier is not the norm—and it is absolutely not in martial arts—is to carve out its specific niche.
If they become “martial arts” (the “H” is a qualifier for the “E,” so it would go as well) and allow anything from anywhere, they’ll just be Karate/Kung Fu/Akido group #7529.
I think every culture has martial arts, it's just been used to describe Asian forms of it for so long that the term with associated with them. Masai warriors passing on their fighting is a martial art, viking clans passing down their fighting is a martial art.
I agree, but my point was that if you don't specifically say "my space is for this one subgroup," it inevitably becomes a space for whatever the most famous, broadly known version of itself is.
If you mean BJJ isn't that still derivative given the name being indicative of the origin, which is Japanese?
I think he means the ridiculous dancing one.
No, I did mean BJJ; I think it's fair to give it the South American categorization even though it's a derivative, since "Brazilian" is right in the name and it's (currently) much more famous than any other school of Jiu Jitsu. It's a differentiator, just like the European tag; it's saying "not the original Japanese version(s), the Brazilian modification of it."
I could be wrong, and maybe "Brazilian" Jiu Jitsu is not different enough to be fairly called South American, but that was my logic.
Tagging u/devidose since this is relevant to both comments.
Martial arts just means war arts. Any culture that has had any semi-organized training for and/or engagement in war is going to have "martial arts." It's true the Asian ones get a bunch of the fame, but that's also why these European ones are are called "historic;" they're more specific to that time, and not as mainstreamed like many Asian arts.
But, yes, if you take out the "historic" and the "European" it certain loses its meaning, that's very true.
how dare this uppity white want a country of his own
These people have nothing to do but look for ways to erase white people. Ask him what his genetic profile is.
In the leftist mindset European = Christian/Nationalist therefore problematic, if he's European comes across as typical European leftist who always thinks this way about politics and Europe as a continent. Which is pretty funny because one of the big propaganda pieces from the EU was claiming how proud they were to be 'European' and it was a good thing as opposed to separate nation states because of course they genuinely want an EU empire across the continent. Would need more details on this guy though but that's been my experience seeing them post about topics.
But the word European in this context is about the style of combat not the ethnicity.
Doesn't matter, they want to erase us.
Portland and Seattle have a large HEMA community, so you can guess where this post is coming from.
Note than anyone can create a HMA sub to eliminate the E. The point is to destroy the E so it cannot exist.
They claim that nationalism is the end of the liberal nation state. That's why they go hard against anything that even remotely reeks of nationalism.
Just call him a bigot, racist and historical revisionist, and wait until the transsexual mods come to harvest your soul.
Unless you figure out how to screen out people who bawl about racism before they ever get into your organization, you're eventually going to get chewed up by termites.
I never did HEMA, but did some fencing back in the day. Very fun, and I was pretty decent...at least within my class. My lunges and displacements were pretty nasty...now I want to fence again.