Note that "factory-set combinations" do not include their own master codes. They still have that whenever fedbois want to break into your safe. At least it now takes a court summons instead of a fucking phone call, so it's a small victory for the copeservatives that don't want to be Just as Bad™ as the Left by engaging in Cancel Culture™.
At this point, I'd be looking for a mechanical safe on which you can change the combination yourself. Since they all record the combo.
In theory, an electronic one could work as well, and it might be easier to recode. If you could have any sort of guarantee at all about the software. But I haven't seen like an open source safe.
There are a lot of reasons, but I guess a safe that you can open quickly is the best for actually defending yourself. Or guns not in the safe. I'm sure people do a combination of that. keep your collector shit in the safe and more utilitarian weapons around the house.
That's how my father did it - his nicer firearms, or those used exclusively for hunting, were in the locked gun cabinet. One for home defense was hidden beneath his shirts on a closet shelf.
Yeah, until you get shut out of every supplier/distributor for "reasons". Do the math ahead of time and come up with a way to mine your own iron and smelt your own steel to ensure that you don't get cancelled.
Fair where fair is due, I'm not seeing alot of that.
What I am seeing is alot of gun-owners basically calling for a repeat with Budweiser and to burn them to the ground.
And alot of so-called 'gun owners' suddenly stumbling out of the wood-work to mumble something about how suddenly 'cancel culture' is bad, or how this was totally a good thing due to the person in question being a Jan 6 protestor, or how getting rid of your safes won't mean a damn thing you guise, srsly.
I might not be looking in the right places, though.
You aren't, I don't really see anyone defending them other than "but what can they doooo" cowards or people who are just straight up pretending to totally be Conservative (despite having no opinions that fit with the common zeitgeist of one).
He just never misses a chance to say "conservatives bad" and jam it in a conversation.
Yeah. Enemy take 3 steps and then take 1 steps backwards, we call it a win. Instead, it should be they take 3 steps forward, we make them take 4 steps back.
Note that "factory-set combinations" do not include their own master codes. They still have that whenever fedbois want to break into your safe.
Note that they already gave that out.
Do we think a firm stupid enough to backdoor their own kit would implement different backdoors or have a one-size-fits-all code across their entire product line?
Even if the backdoor master code is some manner of algorithm, they'll have handed it out enough times for the feds to reverse-engineer it so they can produce safe codes at will.
I still think whoever bought an electrical one and didn't look into this is a moron.
Actually if you care, and you didn't look into what they do with mechanical ones, you're a moron. All the safe companies are the same. They all record the combo from the factory.
The fact that they have this access at all is the problem. If they were serious about security the only answer they would be able to give is "we do not have that information" regardless of what the feds are able to get rubber stamped.
They should have at least died on that hill instead of submitting the second the government calls them up. Still surrendering but at least would have had better plausible deniability.
And what is your point? That some insane idiot actually thought a commercially available safe was uncrackable?
Or that that makes it totes okay for them to make tyranny easier and just roll over? Because that's what it seems you're implying and that's arguably worse for both them and you to even say out loud.
You're right, which is why I pile all of my firearms, documents, and valuables in the corner of my bedroom. Don't want to inconvenience the feds, after all.
Maybe if the Mar-a-Lago raid was actually about searching for evidence instead of a mafioso-style intimidation hit, you might have a point. We both know that's not the case, however.
Feds might have the luxury of time, but like the common thief they compete with, they really don't want to be there any longer than they need to. Not when they could be sitting at their desks grooming autists into school shooters or at home beating their wives.
Liberty Safe is owned by leftists: https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1699612950196330924#m
They cannot be trusted.
Note that "factory-set combinations" do not include their own master codes. They still have that whenever fedbois want to break into your safe. At least it now takes a court summons instead of a fucking phone call, so it's a small victory for the copeservatives that don't want to be Just as Bad™ as the Left by engaging in Cancel Culture™.
There shouldn't be a backdoor at all. They shouldn't have that information regardless of what the feds have.
At this point, I'd be looking for a mechanical safe on which you can change the combination yourself. Since they all record the combo.
In theory, an electronic one could work as well, and it might be easier to recode. If you could have any sort of guarantee at all about the software. But I haven't seen like an open source safe.
There's also the issue of EMPs, which is a pretty big mark in favor of mechanical safes as well.
There are a lot of reasons, but I guess a safe that you can open quickly is the best for actually defending yourself. Or guns not in the safe. I'm sure people do a combination of that. keep your collector shit in the safe and more utilitarian weapons around the house.
That's how my father did it - his nicer firearms, or those used exclusively for hunting, were in the locked gun cabinet. One for home defense was hidden beneath his shirts on a closet shelf.
"someone" also does that, but I lost all my guns
Nice business opportunity there
Yeah, until you get shut out of every supplier/distributor for "reasons". Do the math ahead of time and come up with a way to mine your own iron and smelt your own steel to ensure that you don't get cancelled.
Fair where fair is due, I'm not seeing alot of that.
What I am seeing is alot of gun-owners basically calling for a repeat with Budweiser and to burn them to the ground.
And alot of so-called 'gun owners' suddenly stumbling out of the wood-work to mumble something about how suddenly 'cancel culture' is bad, or how this was totally a good thing due to the person in question being a Jan 6 protestor, or how getting rid of your safes won't mean a damn thing you guise, srsly.
I might not be looking in the right places, though.
You aren't, I don't really see anyone defending them other than "but what can they doooo" cowards or people who are just straight up pretending to totally be Conservative (despite having no opinions that fit with the common zeitgeist of one).
He just never misses a chance to say "conservatives bad" and jam it in a conversation.
Yeah. Enemy take 3 steps and then take 1 steps backwards, we call it a win. Instead, it should be they take 3 steps forward, we make them take 4 steps back.
Note that they already gave that out.
Do we think a firm stupid enough to backdoor their own kit would implement different backdoors or have a one-size-fits-all code across their entire product line?
Even if the backdoor master code is some manner of algorithm, they'll have handed it out enough times for the feds to reverse-engineer it so they can produce safe codes at will.
If you have one of these glorified cupboards they call liberty safes, sell it for something mechanical and not electrical.
Because so long as they bend over quick to the feds, electrical safe security is on par with this
A guy I know had a dial installed on his Liberty over concern about EMP blasts which turned out to be a smart move in light of this news.
I still think whoever bought an electrical one and didn't look into this is a moron.
Actually if you care, and you didn't look into what they do with mechanical ones, you're a moron. All the safe companies are the same. They all record the combo from the factory.
Oh yeah I'm sure they'll fully expunge those records wink wink
Fully expunged after reporting you to the feds.
It may well keep out yahoo cops or force them to use a torch. I dunno what good that does, but there you go.
State-sponsored mercenaries should work for their pensions.
The fact that they have this access at all is the problem. If they were serious about security the only answer they would be able to give is "we do not have that information" regardless of what the feds are able to get rubber stamped.
They should have at least died on that hill instead of submitting the second the government calls them up. Still surrendering but at least would have had better plausible deniability.
That’s not even the point people are angry about
And what is your point? That some insane idiot actually thought a commercially available safe was uncrackable?
Or that that makes it totes okay for them to make tyranny easier and just roll over? Because that's what it seems you're implying and that's arguably worse for both them and you to even say out loud.
Making tyranny difficult is the thing that prevents tyranny
Well, that and making tyranny dangerous.
Why lock your doors when the thief can just break a window?
You're right, which is why I pile all of my firearms, documents, and valuables in the corner of my bedroom. Don't want to inconvenience the feds, after all.
Maybe if the Mar-a-Lago raid was actually about searching for evidence instead of a mafioso-style intimidation hit, you might have a point. We both know that's not the case, however.
Feds might have the luxury of time, but like the common thief they compete with, they really don't want to be there any longer than they need to. Not when they could be sitting at their desks grooming autists into school shooters or at home beating their wives.