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Quick, let's misquote Gene Roddenberry (media.kotakuinaction2.win)
posted 2 years ago by AlfredicEnglishRules 2 years ago by AlfredicEnglishRules +23 / -0
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– Graphenium 33 points 2 years ago +33 / -0

Fully automated luxury gay space communism

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– Sneak_King 26 points 2 years ago +26 / -0

The crew of the Enterprise-D reflects late 1980s American demographics (majority White).

The Federation is founded after an Eastern warlord sparks a series of nuclear conflicts.

I'm going to say that the major export of Africa, the ME, and chunks of Asia in the 24th century is mostly glass.

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– MegoThor 12 points 2 years ago +12 / -0

No wonder it’s so peaceful.

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– Sneak_King 8 points 2 years ago +8 / -0

Bonus fact: Federation ships are segregated!

Different species require different atmospheres and gravities, and accommodation is extremely taxing (see the bird lady episode of DS9).

Enterprise has always been a human ship. An entirely Vulcan crew (of a Nebula class, I think) shows up on DS9.

Also, it's heavily implied that Zephram Cochrane, the (White, male, human) inventor of warp drive, didn't just discover a technology that other species already possessed, but in fact invented if for the first time (in the Alpha Quadrant). It proved so superior to other propulsion systems, nearly everyone adopted it shortly after encountering the Federation.

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– Smith1980 19 points 2 years ago +19 / -0

What did he really say? Sounds too much like something the garbage trek writers of today would push because they value diversity over good storytelling. I get where he stood on things but I enjoyed Trek up to Enterprise. I have seen young people being offended by Uhura not getting upset about being called a charming negress.

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– simian 20 points 2 years ago +20 / -0

I found this quote, which really isn't that far off. ""Diversity contains as many treasures as those waiting for us on other worlds. We will find it impossible to fear diversity and to enter the future at the same time."

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– Smith1980 17 points 2 years ago +17 / -0

I can see diverse perspectives having value and I’ve read some cool folklore from all over the world but the worship of diversity for the sake of diversity is ridiculous or the push to downplay the majority demographic in the name of diversity is idiotic.

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– JustHereForTheSalmon 40 points 2 years ago +40 / -0

"Diversity" in modern parlance is not really diversity but coded language for "anti-white."

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– Smith1980 12 points 2 years ago +12 / -0

Well yes. That was pretty easy to see from the start. I remember when I first started noticing every movie or tv review preaching about it. Gaming as well.

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– AlfredicEnglishRules [S] 26 points 2 years ago +26 / -0

He had aliens without emotion, demigods, Russians who speak Klingon, a blind man guiding a spaceship, and a Frenchman who had a speech impediment. The diversity he showed was not the one people today speak of. In fact, when the show tried to do just that, it failed. So the quote itself is not a problem, it's the interpretation.

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– Smith1980 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

Very true

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– deleted 20 points 2 years ago +20 / -0
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– Smith1980 11 points 2 years ago +11 / -0

That’s true. Although I’d love to see white liberals move to a small African tribe. Or better yet, force some young “oppressed” black teens who live in fancy suburbs to spend a month in a Kenyan village or something

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– AlfredicEnglishRules [S] 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Please tell the tourists to stay home. They'll almost demand the tribe accept them and worship them.

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– deleted 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0
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– AlfredicEnglishRules [S] 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

I saw it all the time in Hawaii. Sadly it's something I see commonly in tourist areas.

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– Knife-TotingRat 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Yet these same cheeseheads expect aliens to look just like themselves, just maybe with a weird head deformity ...

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– when_we_win_remember 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

I don't think it's fair to take something a dead guy said as a comment on the present. Not in a negative way, being like: Oh ur wrong. It's not fair when we have more information now.

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– ApparentlyImAHeretic 13 points 2 years ago +13 / -0

If TNG is anything to go by, Roddenberry was a fan of actual diversity, not the race quota diversity that modern progressives push. tons of episodes were dedicated to exploring a hypothetical civilization that would seem backwards to us, yet respecting those civilization's customs and not imposing our own sense of morality onto them. A good crew in TNG also had a diverse cast of different races which utilized their strengths, while compensating for their weaknesses. In short, Roddenberry's vision of diversity was both diversity of thought and diversity of race.

Modern progressives push diversity of race, but not really. While they welcome certain races, they demonize and secretly wish to genocide other races. they also completely shun diversity of thought, preferring all races assimilate into their own enlightened philosophies and moralities. They are the Borg, not the Federation.

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– Devidose 14 points 2 years ago +14 / -0

A good crew in TNG also had a diverse cast of different races

Keep in mind the character of Geordi La Forge is from Somalia. Ask any normies what race "the engineer from TNG" was and you'd likely get the same level of stupidity that labelled Idris Elba as "African American" because that's all that matters to such superficial topics 🙄

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– activated_almonds 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

Earth did a lot of heavy lifting in 200 years if Somalia was churning out spaceship engineers.

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– Knife-TotingRat 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

It had a major human cull event (WW3). Those dependent on Unicef and CARE would die first.

And good fucking riddance.

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– Devidose 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

30% of the human population is lost in WW3 according to Memory Alpha wiki pages but precisely which parts of the world that includes can be tricky to clarify. Many places were supposedly nuked like Washington, New York, and Paris but it also mentions most, if not all, major cities were destroyed and all governments too.

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– DefinitelyNotIGN 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

How to heavy lift a zero-rated nation: WW3 (canonically), then move new settlers into the now-vacant-of-life location because why waste space? Dark, but likely how it happened.

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– ArtemisFoul 14 points 2 years ago +14 / -0

I'd say Roddenberry was just a run of the mill proglodyte except earlier. If he was writing Soy Trek today, it would look exactly like current year soy trek. The rot just wasn't as advanced in his time.

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– lgbtqwtfbbq 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

TNG pushed "magic dirt" and took it to the extreme. And was a proponent of modern HR culture (Troi).

The show often respected other cultures up to the point those other cultures did something Picard didn't like, at which point he'd just use the Enterprise's superior technology to enforce his will to the frustration of the aliens (while lecturing them in the process).

Basically they'd do to other civilizations what Q did to them. And they hated Q for it.

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– ApparentlyImAHeretic 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

I'm not sure I agree with your assessment of Picard. While he did indeed laps from time to time, he also had an autistic adherence to the primary directive. there were episodes where an entire civilization was about to collapse or be genocided and he opted to do nothing as it would have violated the prime directive to intervene. there were also episodes where captured humans raised by aliens would come back being distorted and having weird tastes, and Picard would ultimately choose to let those humans live with their newfound culture instead of trying to re-educate them.

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– lgbtqwtfbbq 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

In Justice in Season 1 Picard prevents the aliens from executing Wesley Crusher because he considers their legal system privative and overly legalistic. And the aliens themselves tell him earlier in the episode "you could just take your boy, and we'd have no way of tracking him because of your superior technology" and Picard swears he won't do that (despite eventually doing exactly that).

You are right that there are a couple episodes (Homeward with Worf's brother, Pen Pals with Data and his friend, Suddenly Human with the human orphan raised by aliens) where the opposite happens. In Homeward and Pen Pals you have others forcing Picard's hand to act opposite; in Suddenly Human the Enterprise was matched with a technologically equal foe and therefore couldn't act unilaterally.

Picard was at his best when he acted the most right-wing (acted as the standard-bearer for his culture and people, looked out for his people above outsiders). That I think is one of the interesting paradoxes of the Trek shows: they are inherently left-wing in philosophy and outlook, but to make them palatable to a wide audience they have to add right-wing traits to the characters; but it is those right-wing character traits that make the characters (and therefore the shows) endearing.

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– Knife-TotingRat 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

They don't even believe in "race" )as eqivalent to subspecies, but they mistakenly use it as a synonym for species, which it isn't), they only care about skin colour. Literally. It doesn't go biologically any deeper than that for them.

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– JiggsawCalrissian 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

Did you know aliens can also be trans? Well on this new season of star trek....

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– Devidose 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

One of the dumbest things in a Nu Trek show was some random non binary human character with a Trill symbiont. Clearly it was done because symbionts bond with both males and females which obviously means gender isn't important so the show needed a character where gender was both important AND not important!

The reason this is dumb however is that the reason there are so few Joined Trill is that there are so few symbiont. It's literally as simple as a numbers game.

A DS9 episode even reveals that the Trill government statement about the very low compatibility amongst the population is a lie and far more of the population could in fact be Joined. The lie is perpetuated to prevent civil unrest from those who want to Join. The fact a future episode then has some random human Join, and even call attention to how normal humans can now successfully Join since Riker had to temporarily for plot reasons and prolonged exposure would have killed him, completely glosses over the point about how the Unjoined Trill population would respond to this where symbionts were being Joined with non-Trill over their own population!

It would literally cause a civil war! 🙄

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– DefinitelyNotIGN 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

Old Trek had a trill who had both male and female hosts... Dax-Curzon.

There were no problems.

I don't see why they don't just continue to treat them the same way as they always did. Oh right, because it isn't about actually presenting a unique worldview, it's about ESG score.

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– Devidose 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

All of the Dax hosts were still Trill, and it was issues with the sixth host, Joran, that led to Sisko learning about the lie being told about just how many Trill could actually be Joined.

The fact that Jadzia was preceeded by Curzon was immaterial to the symbionts as the whole point of Joining was to maximise experiencing life. Which was also the reason resuming relationships was so taboo as it didn't add anything. The one time this gets explored in depth was the lesbian relationship and kiss the show had with Jadzia, while Ezri hooking up with Worf felt more like bad writing and drama for the sake of drama given how many episodes it lasted. Dax and Khan was a one off for the contained episode and while debatable how much it gets used as the tip of the wedge, didn't hang around longer than it should.

The show could have simply added a non binary Trill if that was the entire intention but for some stupid reason they decided to go that extra step and make the host human as well!

The whole episode where a rejected candidate steals the Dax symbiont shows just how significant the whole Joining process is to some Trill and modern writers thought it a good idea to canonise "permanent" non Trill hosts?

Idiots. Actual idiots.

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– ArtemisFoul 8 points 2 years ago +8 / -0

Turns out, the future is mass murder and rape and streets covered in shit.

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– Vivs3rdSock 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

The future is "modern" day India/Pakistan/Portland? 🤔

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