I normally ignore news but this has been surprisingly light on details so now I'm curious.
What's actually happened that we know, and what's the accompanying suspicions? Why is it newsworthy?
EDIT
Mike Cernovich summarised it well I think.
A tragedy caused by no-one, a symptom of the general decrease in society wide competence of diversity hires and something that will only increase. Similar to the train derailment or the large explosion in Beirut a few years ago. Corruption and lack of competence on a wide scale causes these accidents.
There will be plane crashes soon.
Latest in a long list of mysterious fires this year, especially in places where rich people like to buy property. And go figure, all of the middle class homeowners in Maui lost everything, and the billionaires are buying up all of the land.
Yeah. Also worth noting that the people in the Las Vegas police during their very suspicious mass shooting ended up moving to the Maui police force recently before this. There are reports that the police were actively blocking the highways during it. Considering the peculiarities with things like boats that were on the water being on fire, it's very interesting.
Too many people walking around with camera phones, too many surveillance cameras that actually work and are better than 1fps.
Meanwhile, out in the backwoods, no one can watch you start a fire unless you're really unlucky (or dumb, like that Italy wildfire dude)
There are quite a few peculiarities this time, but every incident and tragedy that happens intentionally usually has at least one smoking gun where stupidity can't be used as an excuse against critical thinking. There it is.
Well they accept the answer because it gets summarized down to "the local police were just incompetent, we'll do better next time". It's always the out because what never gets asked is "what did they do that qualifies incompetence? How were they incompetent?" In these situations, the police chiefs never admit to what exactly happened and media blasts that "incompetent" statement loudly. People go "oh well" and move on. What are the locals going to do if their police is thoroughly corrupt? Gut the whole rotten fish? A lot of normies just stick their head in the sand to avoid conflict.
Just from this surface-level cursory look into the "how", we find they were preventing people from escaping (this exact thing has happened before in the US on several occasions), which is criminal behavior. The police chief doesn't admit to it because he'd be dead in short order.
The disaster relief people refused to use their PA syst to warn people as well
This is another fed self-own like Uvalde, where the Ministry of Propaganda generates a crisis to further their own propaganda (gun control/climate change) but the story then becomes about all the diversified retards (also a result of the feds) who botched the response and killed a bunch of people.
In case anyone's wondering about the implication, yes, I suspect that certain people are school shooter whisperers and firestarters.
Yeah for some reason it seemed like I was the only one on here talking about how weird it was for US Marshall's to be threatening witnesses at Uvalde if the feds weren't involved intimately in the bullshit response.
Saw a breakdown of the interview with their governor. Apparently he admits to Failing to manage the unnatural savanna from fallow plantations. Failed to use emergency alert system because they thought it would cause people to run inland as its usually used for water events. (Very poor rationale.) Electrical grid was poorly maintained. Then he goes on to blame "climate change." @TimOnPoint on twitter posted the breakdown.
I don't know if any of these fires were intentionally started but it sounds like environmental mismanagement and stupidity definitely made the damage worse and it just so happens that is going to be very lucrative for some people.
I think excusing general incompetence will be a huge consequence of climate change.
Case in point, the all-girl firefighting team that lost control of a controlled fire. Why'd they lose control? Certainly not incompetence and mismanagement, must be climate change...
Is Hige still governor? He was only Hapa in the seat.
Hawaii is very left leaning. 85% of the population is on some kind of aid. Almost all of the money is from rich people and tourism. The other parts are military. So, it's not a shock how lefty it can get there. The native Hawaiians are told global climate change will destroy their homes so they have to conserve water... For tourists... There is a push to be more one with nature, which is taught at schools. Don't get me started on Fafafine. All of this is viewed as 'traditional'. Even though Waikiki was a giant fish hatchery. Even though they had a giant city and interconnected road and water systems, traditional is to be poor and gardening.
It's an insult to the natives and locals, but they have to take it because it's all they get.
Not sounding the alarm was a calculated choice. This isn't like the carpet catching fire in a brick apartment, where everyone outside can stand around and watch. You do not want people going in the wrong direction in a wildifre. It can sit and smolder for hours, then one gust of wind and half a mile is burned out in a couple minutes. You wouldn't have a chance to run at that point. That's why most wildfire warnings have you prepped to evacuate on a known route long before you can even see the fire.
I don't know how it works in Hawaii, but our alerts in Canada come with customizable text so they could easily have said something like "Wildfires in progress. Stay where you are but prepare to evacuate when we send further instructions".
This. Hawaii supposedly has a fairly robust alerting system capable of handling various situations.
The county website literally says the alarm is meant for wildfires though, as well as terrorist attacks, hurricanes, and the tsunami etc.
Sure, but given the other fuck ups? They don't get the benefit of the doubt here.
Ah okay that makes sense.
The water supply is actually not the greatest. So it makes sense that they had to use other means to put it out. Then you have military and government control over the ocean water.
Stupid, but a reality.
Devils advocate. I do think the warning sirens in Hawaii would make people think tsunami. That's probably a reasonable call to make in the moment.
MUH CLIMATE CHANGIN!!
Climate change caused it
Climate change is also why they didn't bring enough water to fight it
Climate change is also why children die of peanut allergies
Have you heard about the gray fire near Spokane? Way more destruction, and less talk.
Only 1 person confirmed dead in that fire so far. Maui is way way worse.
Also CA periodically makes national news when another poorly managed forest burns down a suburb.
Not to mention the events that happened and the seeming attempt at a coverup make everything stink to high fucking heaven.
Have you heard about it though? You had to look it up.
Lahaina is tourist area so it's on the news so rich people can act sad.
it was on my local news last night and i'm on the other side of the country
Really? This is the first I've heard of a fire even being known about in Seattle, let alone the other side of the country.
yeah, i was feeding my cat at the time and walked by the tv. they mentioned there being some fires in washington and that someone had died
It was really intense in that area. The smoke made the air worse than down town Beijing. People couldn't see passed their block.
It's also fairly common and never gets any coverage except in local news. So I wasn't expecting to hear about this.
Cool.
yeah they mentioned that too, that The Experts said the air there was the worst in the nation at the moment, even possibly the world.
Must be part of a global warming push. It's this bad every few years. California got mentioned but not that area.
A wildfire that was made much worse by the 100% Democrat official response, where the horrifying aftermath of hundreds dead is being downplayed and nobody involved will face any consequences. It's pointless to point it out as a gotcha but it's also being ignored by the president in a way that would have caused weeks of snarky Daily Show/SNL skits under Bush and another impeachment + nationwide riots under Trump.
Someone was lusting after the real estate.
I predict the WEF minion Governor is going to seize people's land under imminent domain and we're going to see dozen or so McMansions sprouting by this time next year.
I heard it was started possibly by a downed power line that smouldered for maybe a day before any response was made. There were allegations that the Hawaiian power company had been ignoring infrastructure maintenance and fire prevention issues for years, and it was just a matter of time.
Then you had that clown in charge of the water worrying about 'equity' or some shit. Though you'd think there'd be water bombers that could just get sea water, but hey.
Maui isn't real. The whole island is a psyop.
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This just cracks me up, what a silly thing to report over.
I'll just double down, just for them: Not only is Maui not real, the whole island chain isn't real. Hawaii is a lie.
Just like Finland?
They're trying to divert blame and find a scapegoat before the full death toll is published. It's looking like only 9/11 will top this for peacetime mass casualty events, and most are children sent home from school.
Sorry for all the comments I am about to make.
I went to uni there and have friends and family all over the islands. Outside of the PNW it's my home.
Power line light show.
Maui proving itself to be as woke and delusional as California.
It gets worse.
Directed Energy Weapons
I think it's just a case of never let a good tragedy go to waste.
Fires happen. One happened. Doubt it's climate change. Government handled it like a bunch of incompetent bozos, which is pretty par for the course for government. It's Hawaii, so it appears a lot of well connected cronies were in power not actual competent people. The rich and elite have an interest in Hawaii so given the circumstances they are trying to find a way to benefit in the aftermath.
What happened? Government officials mass-murdered local residents to steal their land.
what's actually happening? democrat corruption coming home to roost.
Who cares - its an island of shitskins
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