this. this looks like less of a ban on so-called greenhouse gas emitting implements and more of a takeover of people's property. they ban what you have, and the only replacement is what they rent.
With solar panels you can produce your own energy.
Until it hits its end of life or becomes damage, in which case you'll likely just end up throwing it out since you can't repair it yourself or they'll charge you an arm and a leg to "fix it". By which I mean give you a new one because they'll likely just throw it into a landfill.
Electrical tools make you LESS reliant on others.
Oh, so you can make your own solar panel? Or are you relying on companies that are heavily subsidized by the government? You know, the same ones making them in foreign country using what is arguable slave labor while they dump corrosive chemicals into their water ways?
Electrical tools make you LESS reliant on others.
You're just retarded if you think this. Compare how easily you can repair something combustion powered to something electrically powered. My mother bought a lawn mower in 2014 and still works as well as the day she bought it thanks to general, user-end maintenance. Do you think a fucking battery powered mower is going to come anywhere close to 10 years? Go fuck yourself.
Until it hits its end of life or becomes damage, in which case you'll likely just end up throwing it out since you can't repair it yourself or they'll charge you an arm and a leg to "fix it". By which I mean give you a new one because they'll likely just throw it into a landfill.
Who cares? Most trash goes in landfills anyway. My solar panels on my house covered ~91% of my electrical usage in 2022. I'm at greater than 100% coverage so far in 2023, but dropping fast due to increased AC usage. My panels are 5 years old and have lost a few percentage points of efficiency at worst.
If we are in an extended power out situation, I can disconnect from the grid and keep going. I have a tiny battery buffer now, and if I lived in an area that experienced longer outages I would upgrade that (but I don't).
If supply chains are fucked, your gas is running out long before my solar.
Oh, so you can make your own solar panel? Or are you relying on companies that are heavily subsidized by the government? You know, the same ones making them in foreign country using what is arguable slave labor while they dump corrosive chemicals into their water ways?
My silfab panels are manufactured in the US, thank you.
You're just retarded if you think this. Compare how easily you can repair something combustion powered to something electrically powered. My mother bought a lawn mower in 2014 and still works as well as the day she bought it thanks to general, user-end maintenance. Do you think a fucking battery powered mower is going to come anywhere close to 10 years? Go fuck yourself.
My string trimmer is 15 years old, on the original battery. Runs great. I've replaced the string countless times, no other maintenance.
My mower is now three years old, still cuts great, charge is still great. Another nice thing is that if it detects thick grass, it can automatically spin up faster. Beyond the electric, it's a Toro Super Recycler. It's a great mower (and I had a Honda before). I've sharpened the blade once, no oil changes, no gas changes, no draining for winter, no air filter replacement, no spark plugs, no nothing. Best mower I've ever had.
Do you think a fucking battery powered mower is going to come anywhere close to 10 years? Go fuck yourself.
Electric stuff is great, and it's very hard to refine your own oil. You can, however, distill alcohol relatively easily, and a lot of stuff will run on that.
As far as independence, the problem is not with electric equipment as much as the fact that a) batteries die and are hard to make and b) electric stuff tends toward cheap Chinese crap that is difficult to repair. They do make really reliable and long lasting electric tools. Just not the lawn mower most people pick up from wal*mart.
Yes, teh future of electric oughtn't be big-ass solar arrays eating away at more wilderness, it should be more distributed, with each building having its own solar/wind generators while still being hooked to The Grid and using existing power sources while also feeding excess power back into it. If they were really serious about everything going electric, they'd concentrate on getting every house and apartment building with its own little array. Hell, if I had the money to build a house, I'd sure as hell have it rigged with enough power from the get-go, plus some.
Gah, I remember when they were promising every house to have its own little nuclear generator about the size of an AC unit! Free power! Then Three Mile Island happened.
Gah, I remember when they were promising every house to have its own little nuclear generator about the size of an AC unit! Free power! Then Three Mile Island happened.
Yeah, I remember a similiar article when I was kid talking about how homes of the future would all have fuel cells to make them energy independent, etc.
We're close with home batteries and home solar, for many parts of the country.
I acknowledge, but don't much care, about climate change. I find other environmental cleanup issues more urgent and more immediately solveable. I support opening up additional areas in the US to mining.
I saw an electric blower, and I thought it was battery powered. It turned out to be a plugin, but I gave it a shot anyways. Even plugged in, I don't think it has the power of a gas blower. This is a Stihl, too. The plug part actually turned out to be fairly doable for my needs, if somewhat inconvenient. I'd rather use a plug than it be even weaker.
Actually yes. And it's quite useful. The biggest advantage of electrical tools is minimal maintenance. Repair on gas engines is a nightmare.
I have a corded electric lawn mower. It works best as a weed whacker against difficult plants, shrubs, trees, etc; because it's more powerful than a gas powered weed whacker, effectively doesn't break no matter how violent the work is, and can handle the damage better than a gas powered lawn mower would ever tolerate.
Also, some battery powered small size chainsaws are actually very useful for hand trimming. I use almost exclusively electric (corded) chainsaws for handling most trees because the maintenance on gas powered engines is just not worth the effort.
The only electric landscaping tool I own and like is a 16" battery-powered chainsaw. Put bluntly, the battery gives out about when I do, it came with two spares, and being able to hear what the tree's doing has now saved me an ER trip twice.
I yeeted the hedger that came with it years ago, and the string trimmer is about to follow it.
I know, downvoting underway, yadda, yadda, but 2-stroke yard equipment can go fuck itself. Loud as fuck, stinks, pain to maintain.
I bought a Toro e-Super Recycler mower during covid. I have a 3/4 acre lot, easily does that on one charge. Dewalt electric string trimmer more than enough charge for what I need. Green something heavy duty leaf blower--powerful as shit, plenty of charge.
They're only getting better. Next up on my list is electric pressure washer.
The electric options are so superior for my usage, I'll never go back to gas.
My F150 has power plugs all over the place, so I can charge up my equipment while I drive too.
+1 on the noise. The lawn services around here don't understand the concept of replacing mufflers and the racket their blowers and trimmers make is obscene.
I still think there's a power difference that hasn't been addressed yet. And for big yards, I'd rather have a gas powered tractor (but that's not a 2 stroke)
Some trees, however, are going to require proper, professional, gas engine chainsaws with big blades.
Most mowers in US are four stroke. It's the lighter stuff--string trimmers, leaf blowers, etc--that go with the lighter, less complex two stroke engines.
They literally just elected a CCP agent as their mayor. You get what you fucking deserve.
If only we could isolate it to just the fools who voted for it
Didn't gatekeep your slice of paradise, and now complain that you're an angel living in hell.
- Angsty Lucifer the TV series
We call them "cities".
this. this looks like less of a ban on so-called greenhouse gas emitting implements and more of a takeover of people's property. they ban what you have, and the only replacement is what they rent.
Does it really ban one from buying their own electric equipment, or is the rental there for people who can't afford to buy right away?
With solar panels you can produce your own energy.
Can you pump and refine your own oil?
Electrical tools make you LESS reliant on others.
Until it hits its end of life or becomes damage, in which case you'll likely just end up throwing it out since you can't repair it yourself or they'll charge you an arm and a leg to "fix it". By which I mean give you a new one because they'll likely just throw it into a landfill.
Oh, so you can make your own solar panel? Or are you relying on companies that are heavily subsidized by the government? You know, the same ones making them in foreign country using what is arguable slave labor while they dump corrosive chemicals into their water ways?
You're just retarded if you think this. Compare how easily you can repair something combustion powered to something electrically powered. My mother bought a lawn mower in 2014 and still works as well as the day she bought it thanks to general, user-end maintenance. Do you think a fucking battery powered mower is going to come anywhere close to 10 years? Go fuck yourself.
Who cares? Most trash goes in landfills anyway. My solar panels on my house covered ~91% of my electrical usage in 2022. I'm at greater than 100% coverage so far in 2023, but dropping fast due to increased AC usage. My panels are 5 years old and have lost a few percentage points of efficiency at worst.
If we are in an extended power out situation, I can disconnect from the grid and keep going. I have a tiny battery buffer now, and if I lived in an area that experienced longer outages I would upgrade that (but I don't).
If supply chains are fucked, your gas is running out long before my solar.
My silfab panels are manufactured in the US, thank you.
My string trimmer is 15 years old, on the original battery. Runs great. I've replaced the string countless times, no other maintenance.
My mower is now three years old, still cuts great, charge is still great. Another nice thing is that if it detects thick grass, it can automatically spin up faster. Beyond the electric, it's a Toro Super Recycler. It's a great mower (and I had a Honda before). I've sharpened the blade once, no oil changes, no gas changes, no draining for winter, no air filter replacement, no spark plugs, no nothing. Best mower I've ever had.
Yes, I do. Love you.
Electric stuff is great, and it's very hard to refine your own oil. You can, however, distill alcohol relatively easily, and a lot of stuff will run on that.
As far as independence, the problem is not with electric equipment as much as the fact that a) batteries die and are hard to make and b) electric stuff tends toward cheap Chinese crap that is difficult to repair. They do make really reliable and long lasting electric tools. Just not the lawn mower most people pick up from wal*mart.
I completely agree. Toro mower, Dewalt trimmer, etc. If you get good quality, it will last.
Yes, teh future of electric oughtn't be big-ass solar arrays eating away at more wilderness, it should be more distributed, with each building having its own solar/wind generators while still being hooked to The Grid and using existing power sources while also feeding excess power back into it. If they were really serious about everything going electric, they'd concentrate on getting every house and apartment building with its own little array. Hell, if I had the money to build a house, I'd sure as hell have it rigged with enough power from the get-go, plus some.
Gah, I remember when they were promising every house to have its own little nuclear generator about the size of an AC unit! Free power! Then Three Mile Island happened.
Yeah, I remember a similiar article when I was kid talking about how homes of the future would all have fuel cells to make them energy independent, etc.
We're close with home batteries and home solar, for many parts of the country.
Gotcha. Yes, that is horseshit.
Where's the lithium come from?
As one of the few people on this forum that actually acknowledges anthropogenic climate change... think.
I acknowledge, but don't much care, about climate change. I find other environmental cleanup issues more urgent and more immediately solveable. I support opening up additional areas in the US to mining.
Has anyone ever had the displeasure of using an electric landscaping tool? Garbage that can't even complete one job on one charge.
I saw an electric blower, and I thought it was battery powered. It turned out to be a plugin, but I gave it a shot anyways. Even plugged in, I don't think it has the power of a gas blower. This is a Stihl, too. The plug part actually turned out to be fairly doable for my needs, if somewhat inconvenient. I'd rather use a plug than it be even weaker.
The scam is to buy 3 batteries.
Actually yes. And it's quite useful. The biggest advantage of electrical tools is minimal maintenance. Repair on gas engines is a nightmare.
I have a corded electric lawn mower. It works best as a weed whacker against difficult plants, shrubs, trees, etc; because it's more powerful than a gas powered weed whacker, effectively doesn't break no matter how violent the work is, and can handle the damage better than a gas powered lawn mower would ever tolerate.
Also, some battery powered small size chainsaws are actually very useful for hand trimming. I use almost exclusively electric (corded) chainsaws for handling most trees because the maintenance on gas powered engines is just not worth the effort.
The only electric landscaping tool I own and like is a 16" battery-powered chainsaw. Put bluntly, the battery gives out about when I do, it came with two spares, and being able to hear what the tree's doing has now saved me an ER trip twice.
I yeeted the hedger that came with it years ago, and the string trimmer is about to follow it.
You wouldn't think noise would be an issue, but lower noise volume is a major advantage.
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Flamethrower it is 🔥
I know, downvoting underway, yadda, yadda, but 2-stroke yard equipment can go fuck itself. Loud as fuck, stinks, pain to maintain.
I bought a Toro e-Super Recycler mower during covid. I have a 3/4 acre lot, easily does that on one charge. Dewalt electric string trimmer more than enough charge for what I need. Green something heavy duty leaf blower--powerful as shit, plenty of charge.
They're only getting better. Next up on my list is electric pressure washer.
The electric options are so superior for my usage, I'll never go back to gas.
My F150 has power plugs all over the place, so I can charge up my equipment while I drive too.
+1 on the noise. The lawn services around here don't understand the concept of replacing mufflers and the racket their blowers and trimmers make is obscene.
I still think there's a power difference that hasn't been addressed yet. And for big yards, I'd rather have a gas powered tractor (but that's not a 2 stroke)
Some trees, however, are going to require proper, professional, gas engine chainsaws with big blades.
Absolutely, I would never dispute that gas powered tools, equipment, and vehicles have many uses where electrcs just CAN'T work (right now at least).
BUT, for the average suburban yard of less than an acre, electric tools can easily handle every task (mow, trim, blow, wash, etc).
Yeah, residential use electric tools are basically good enough for any suburban yard, effectively.
Except the mower. Gasoline is more efficient than a battery operated lawnmower.
It's Toronto. I guarantee the 'lending library' will 'lose' their electric equipment to the trustworthy majority of Toronto.
Meanwhile the mayor's got some relations from China setting up an electric equipment import/export that will all be 'Made in C
hinaanada'It will also be a typical municipal service.
Not open evenings, weekends and holidays.
And overstaffed with lazy WFH NPCs.
2 stroke tools always seem to be used by the people who will start them up when others are trying to have an extended snooze at the weekend.
Throw the commies off the roofs.
They ban 2 stroke engines for being too pollutive
They ban V-12's for being too pollutive
This isn't a responsible policy on protecting the environment. It's an encirclement.
Is 2 stroke usage largely an American thing? I'm in Aus and it's rare to see a 2 stroke lawn mower.
Most mowers in US are four stroke. It's the lighter stuff--string trimmers, leaf blowers, etc--that go with the lighter, less complex two stroke engines.
Wasn't California gonna do this?
I'll rip out my lawn and plant ivy.
You won't need a mower. You'll need a machete.