You should be happy about Italy then since they made moves to remove any right to citizenship if you use foriegn surrogates and that the child's parent is the surrogate.
That's lovely! Even local designer baby breeding is awful. But people who go to poorer countries to buy a baby like that are even more awful.
I see more people being against dog breeding than this. Every week there is some new faggot celebrity or HURRR career wahman who makes an announcement about buying a child. And you KNOW they don't just go with whatever they can get. No, they order a kid to their specifications, and they think they are so generous for PAYING. Like fuck off.
Like Shane Dawson and his annoying twink husband are about to get their babies delivered to them. People I wouldn't trust with a potted plant. (And Shane will cry about not being rich enough, even though they paid a poor woman to be pregnant for 9 months with twins for them, so they can pretend two men and "their" purchased kids are a family. But Shane is the poor one here. )
Women are almost always involved in raising the resulting children. It's usually career women like her. They waste their most fertile years LARPing as a girlboss and then decide they want kids at 35. Many such cases!
But it won't and there will come a time in the future where women have created men to be like pugs, extreme creations that can barely live on their own.
Because women don't understand things like "tall" have limits before its destructive and miserable.
As the owner of a rescue dog who was born as a stray with issues that needed surgery, let me reee a bit here.
But yeah, this is one of my big issues with surrogacy. Basically playing Character Creator with your baby. I mean, it is technically a service you are paying for. What if the product you get is not the exact one you ordered?
Sure, you can say said people signed a paper that says "if kid is not to your specs exactly, tough luck, biatch", but we are talking about humans. Ones who thing ordering couture babies is a good idea. Some of them will probably get over it, but be honest, do you think some Plastic Karen or Homo It Boy will just accept the kid not fitting their curated life?
Without any money changing hands? Maybe. That is the furthest I maaaay think is okay.
The moment money is involved, it becomes human trading and I am against that. You can't purchase a human being. You can't order a child being made for yourself.
(I'm also disgusted by the people doing the buying when they pretend they are so nice for paying. Like ooooh, the woman "profits so much, it's such a good deal for here, we are good because she is being compensated". Not how this works.)
Why is it a weird question? Men who hate women so much still want kids. What if it's a female child? I'm not saying you will know the answer for them. Just... think about it.
This is one of my huge issues with surrogacy.
You are buying a product custom made for you. Let's say, you order a suit. What do you do if your suit's sleeves are a bit too long? Or it's not the right colour? Or if it doesn't arrive on time for the event?
You can't just ask for your money back with a baby. You can't send it back for additional alterations. You can't trade it in for store credit.
We have a human baby who is damaged product. What to do with it? Should they kill it? Just hand it in as another orphan? Look for a new place for it on Facebook, like when you find some abandoned kittens?
That's... not true, you know that, right? They don't just put your sperm inside the woman and hope for the best. The embryos are create at the lab and THAT is put inside her. So you could totally get the wrong colour baby if the eggs were mixed up.
And you are doing the thing where you assume the absolute best of men and the absolute worst of women.
Besides, you refused to answer my question, what if it's a daughter, because you claimed you can't know what those men think.
Yet you have a definitive answer for the kid being the wrong colour. Why? Because you are avoiding the answer you know will make you look like even worse, but you answer the one that wasn't a question, but gives you a chance to virtue signal.
Okay, so you get the wrong colour baby. Your kid comes out... Indian. Should the surrogate be paid? The lab messed up. She did what she was meant to do, but the result is not what you expected, by no fault of her own.
Let me guess, you assume she intentionally fucked some other guy (who is a victim). Or she somehow magically created the wrong baby for the lulz.
Bud Light should have never hired anyone from an Ivy League school.
Ivy League schools are little more than left wing activist factories now. That didn't used to be the case 40+ years ago, but it has absolutely been the case within the last 20 years.
Ivy League school grads aren't superior. They aren't better than other people. Again, they used to be, generations ago, but this legacy has been corrupted and twisted to the point where Ivy League grads are overwhelmingly just driven by left wing politics like affirmative action & the lib coastal elites preserving their lock on power.
Ivy League has been notoriously known to fix grades so no student, no matter how incompetent, fails. That was a “big scandal” in the early 2000s and then everyone moved along because the media shockingly never covered it and the Ivy League graduate politicians that benefited from said policies never held hearings.
I want this taught in business classes at universities in Cairo and Bangladesh in the 2060s, as a cautionary tale against giving power to people not loyalty to the organization, and the very real cost of showing loyalty to people who have none for you.
Forgiveness should never be about 'being the bigger man' (= continue to be a loser). It should always be about interests. If someone wants to repudiate his past and join the right side, the right course of action is to at least disregard the past, because that encourages other people to do the same - weakening the other side and strengthening yours.
Just look at all the 'former white supremacists' the radical left parades around, as long as they say precisely what the radical left wants.
Forgiveness without repentance is worthless. If someone is willing to prostrate and put in notable effort to cleanse their prior sins, then you absolutely be the bigger man and put emotions aside to assist their redemption. Everyone wins in that situation and all interests are met (except for petty and bloodthirsty ones).
If all they've done is apologize and put in token efforts, then fuck em and everyone who enables them.
If I don't have his heart, then his sword can be pointed at me within a second regardless of it being pointed at my enemies the moment prior. I don't consider myself getting stabbed a good price to pay for someone else being stabbed. Which is why I don't welcome the de-trans, for a recent example, back with open arms like many here.
I also don't have issue with bloodthirst or petty interests if they are within reason, but those are simply the only times when calling for repentance doesn't benefit you. But at those times, neither does forgiveness.
If I don't have his heart, then his sword can be pointed at me within a second regardless of it being pointed at my enemies the moment prior
Correct. As is true for anyone. You don't have that guarantee for anyone. In fact, you don't have the guarantee that you have anyone's "heart", even if you think you do.
Asking for apologies is just pure self-ego-stroking, and not something that has any positive impact. People don't like to apologize. If you asked me to apologize for having been a SJW, you'd get a finger in return.
People don't switch allegiances on a whim, but make it easier to be good rather than hard.
But at those times, neither does forgiveness.
Forgiveness is also an internal state which is irrelevant.
Correct as well. But someone willing to put in the effort to try and repent (however that may be) has shown a willingness to act on their newfound beliefs instead of merely speak them. Which puts their trustability at a higher level than a turncoat.
Asking for apologies is just pure self-ego-stroking
That's why I don't ask for them. I simply don't accept someone coming up to me with them either, which is what most try and do. If you are on the opposite side from me, on whatever line is drawn, then you are my opponent not a "potential convertee." If you wish to change sides, you need more than an "oopsie poopsie I was retarded once, but now I'm not retarded at all plz take me in!"
In that vein, for example, you've put in considerable efforts to be on this side of the SJW divide just by maintaining numerous of these dumb little spaces in which we can speak, including trying to salvage KIAPrime's decent into its own ass. No apology was ever needed, you simply put in effort and that should be enough for anyone who would hold your past against you (I don't know of it, nor care).
make it easier to be good rather than hard.
There is a vast land of choices between "hard" and "completely free, no questions asked." If that minor hurdle is too much for them, then they weren't worth bringing over to begin with and would only bring the overall strength of your side down, whether by infighting or "light Wokeness" rot like concern trolling.
Correct as well. But someone willing to put in the effort to try and repent (however that may be) has shown a willingness to act on their newfound beliefs instead of merely speak them. Which puts their trustability at a higher level than a turncoat.
I believe that's what's called an honest (because costly) signal. I don't object to that. I object to useless theatrics like demanding an apology, or staging an inquisition for someone who wants to leave the dark side as soon as he leaves.
Let people evolve at their own pace and then judge. Because people don't change everything from one day to the next. Just being open-minded and being exposed to differing perspective than the prevailing one will do wonders for a lot of people. People are also more wed to opinions that they form on their own, rather than ones that are accepted by group pressure.
In that vein, for example, you've put in considerable efforts to be on this side of the SJW divide just by maintaining numerous of these dumb little spaces in which we can speak, including trying to salvage KIAPrime's decent into its own ass. No apology was ever needed, you simply put in effort and that should be enough for anyone who would hold your past against you (I don't know of it, nor care).
Well, no one would even know if I hadn't said anything. And I've always found people to be remarkably tolerant of past transgressions, even people who don't otherwise like you.
There is a vast land of choices between "hard" and "completely free, no questions asked." If that minor hurdle is too much for them, then they weren't worth bringing over to begin with and would only bring the overall strength of your side down, whether by infighting or "light Wokeness" rot like concern trolling.
Well, this place has basically the hard-core anti-wokes, and it seems that infighting is more rampant than anywhere.
You don't need to admit people on an equal par to people who have been active for years. But it's good to be welcoming, to be nice. There's never a guarantee that they will be useful, but there's no harm in trying.
I object to useless theatrics like demanding an apology, or staging an inquisition for someone who wants to leave the dark side as soon as he leaves.
As do I, but I do think there is a process to be had. You don't open arms from day one, and you don't open your backside until they've proven themselves able to not stab it. Whereas most people on this side of the line are happy to welcome any ally who simply says the right things. From good ol' IMC, to Candace Owens, to now the detrans-ers.
Well, this place has basically the hard-core anti-wokes and it seems that infighting is more rampant than anywhere.
I'm aware, its why I keep finding myself in the position of asking "but what are you actually mad about" only to get buzzwords and outrage bait youtube videos back. Most seem more interested in being mad and finding ways to dismiss everything that they see, instead of actually figuring out what the problem really is.
Which is where the irony comes in. While I demand that higher bar to welcome someone in compared to most on "our side," I'm also not interested in trying to sniff out Jews and shills and subversives in our ranks to throw them out.
Yes. In war, you should always act in accordance with tactical advantage. Conversion is always easier than annihilation. Break the enemy's will. Make them submit. Convert them. Dominate. Prevent the enemy from doing the same to you.
The culture war is a war like any other. It's just fought with different weapons.
Surrogacy is the ultimate “my child is an object that I don’t care about”. She’s a sociopath for even considering it unless she’s completely barren. Bet at least one kid becomes lgbtq because “mommy” needs a social status boost.
"Educated"? How about "She and her husband . . ."?
JK . . . he's right, of course.
The horse-faced yuppie looks like a woman I dated around the turn of the century. It never went anywhere even tho I debased myself by attending one of her leftist political events.
Hot take of the day: Paying women to give birth to designer kids for you should be illegal and seriously punished the the extreme.
You should be happy about Italy then since they made moves to remove any right to citizenship if you use foriegn surrogates and that the child's parent is the surrogate.
That's lovely! Even local designer baby breeding is awful. But people who go to poorer countries to buy a baby like that are even more awful.
I see more people being against dog breeding than this. Every week there is some new faggot celebrity or HURRR career wahman who makes an announcement about buying a child. And you KNOW they don't just go with whatever they can get. No, they order a kid to their specifications, and they think they are so generous for PAYING. Like fuck off.
Like Shane Dawson and his annoying twink husband are about to get their babies delivered to them. People I wouldn't trust with a potted plant. (And Shane will cry about not being rich enough, even though they paid a poor woman to be pregnant for 9 months with twins for them, so they can pretend two men and "their" purchased kids are a family. But Shane is the poor one here. )
Someone's giving that fucking pedophile a kid?
Women are almost always involved in raising the resulting children. It's usually career women like her. They waste their most fertile years LARPing as a girlboss and then decide they want kids at 35. Many such cases!
But it won't and there will come a time in the future where women have created men to be like pugs, extreme creations that can barely live on their own.
Because women don't understand things like "tall" have limits before its destructive and miserable.
What if said child is a daughter?
Well obviously you drown it, like a lame puppy.
As the owner of a rescue dog who was born as a stray with issues that needed surgery, let me reee a bit here.
But yeah, this is one of my big issues with surrogacy. Basically playing Character Creator with your baby. I mean, it is technically a service you are paying for. What if the product you get is not the exact one you ordered?
Sure, you can say said people signed a paper that says "if kid is not to your specs exactly, tough luck, biatch", but we are talking about humans. Ones who thing ordering couture babies is a good idea. Some of them will probably get over it, but be honest, do you think some Plastic Karen or Homo It Boy will just accept the kid not fitting their curated life?
Surrogacy should be a last resort for people who can't otherwise conceive and the only information that matters should be the lack of genetic diseases
Without any money changing hands? Maybe. That is the furthest I maaaay think is okay.
The moment money is involved, it becomes human trading and I am against that. You can't purchase a human being. You can't order a child being made for yourself.
(I'm also disgusted by the people doing the buying when they pretend they are so nice for paying. Like ooooh, the woman "profits so much, it's such a good deal for here, we are good because she is being compensated". Not how this works.)
In normal peoples surrogacy it's a volunteer with the medical bills being paid by the people requesting the surrogacy.
Only weird rich elites get to "order" a baby
Why is it a matter of significance that some people can't conceive? Deal with it the way people throughout all of human history did.
It's as if people think that having children is some sort of human right, just like avoiding them is a human right.
Because humans use science to overcome nature you weirdo.
Why is it a weird question? Men who hate women so much still want kids. What if it's a female child? I'm not saying you will know the answer for them. Just... think about it.
This is one of my huge issues with surrogacy.
You are buying a product custom made for you. Let's say, you order a suit. What do you do if your suit's sleeves are a bit too long? Or it's not the right colour? Or if it doesn't arrive on time for the event?
You can't just ask for your money back with a baby. You can't send it back for additional alterations. You can't trade it in for store credit.
We have a human baby who is damaged product. What to do with it? Should they kill it? Just hand it in as another orphan? Look for a new place for it on Facebook, like when you find some abandoned kittens?
That's... not true, you know that, right? They don't just put your sperm inside the woman and hope for the best. The embryos are create at the lab and THAT is put inside her. So you could totally get the wrong colour baby if the eggs were mixed up.
And you are doing the thing where you assume the absolute best of men and the absolute worst of women.
Besides, you refused to answer my question, what if it's a daughter, because you claimed you can't know what those men think.
Yet you have a definitive answer for the kid being the wrong colour. Why? Because you are avoiding the answer you know will make you look like even worse, but you answer the one that wasn't a question, but gives you a chance to virtue signal.
Okay, so you get the wrong colour baby. Your kid comes out... Indian. Should the surrogate be paid? The lab messed up. She did what she was meant to do, but the result is not what you expected, by no fault of her own.
Let me guess, you assume she intentionally fucked some other guy (who is a victim). Or she somehow magically created the wrong baby for the lulz.
Bud Light should have never hired anyone from an Ivy League school.
Ivy League schools are little more than left wing activist factories now. That didn't used to be the case 40+ years ago, but it has absolutely been the case within the last 20 years.
Ivy League school grads aren't superior. They aren't better than other people. Again, they used to be, generations ago, but this legacy has been corrupted and twisted to the point where Ivy League grads are overwhelmingly just driven by left wing politics like affirmative action & the lib coastal elites preserving their lock on power.
Ivy League has been notoriously known to fix grades so no student, no matter how incompetent, fails. That was a “big scandal” in the early 2000s and then everyone moved along because the media shockingly never covered it and the Ivy League graduate politicians that benefited from said policies never held hearings.
This may partly explain why the sewer pipeline from the Ivies to big-time "news" organizations has brought us to this new low.
Her cuck husband paid good money to ensure that nobody but Tyrone gets to stretch out her pussy.
It's so self-indulgent and decadent.
Firings?
I want this taught in business classes at universities in Cairo and Bangladesh in the 2060s, as a cautionary tale against giving power to people not loyalty to the organization, and the very real cost of showing loyalty to people who have none for you.
Biz 221: The collapse of AB-InBev
Forgiveness should never be about 'being the bigger man' (= continue to be a loser). It should always be about interests. If someone wants to repudiate his past and join the right side, the right course of action is to at least disregard the past, because that encourages other people to do the same - weakening the other side and strengthening yours.
Just look at all the 'former white supremacists' the radical left parades around, as long as they say precisely what the radical left wants.
Forgiveness without repentance is worthless. If someone is willing to prostrate and put in notable effort to cleanse their prior sins, then you absolutely be the bigger man and put emotions aside to assist their redemption. Everyone wins in that situation and all interests are met (except for petty and bloodthirsty ones).
If all they've done is apologize and put in token efforts, then fuck em and everyone who enables them.
You don't need someone's heart, you just need his sword. Are you in it to win battles or to win souls?
I don't have a problem with being bloodthirsty or petty. I do have a problem when this gets in the way of expediency.
If I don't have his heart, then his sword can be pointed at me within a second regardless of it being pointed at my enemies the moment prior. I don't consider myself getting stabbed a good price to pay for someone else being stabbed. Which is why I don't welcome the de-trans, for a recent example, back with open arms like many here.
I also don't have issue with bloodthirst or petty interests if they are within reason, but those are simply the only times when calling for repentance doesn't benefit you. But at those times, neither does forgiveness.
Correct. As is true for anyone. You don't have that guarantee for anyone. In fact, you don't have the guarantee that you have anyone's "heart", even if you think you do.
Asking for apologies is just pure self-ego-stroking, and not something that has any positive impact. People don't like to apologize. If you asked me to apologize for having been a SJW, you'd get a finger in return.
People don't switch allegiances on a whim, but make it easier to be good rather than hard.
Forgiveness is also an internal state which is irrelevant.
Correct as well. But someone willing to put in the effort to try and repent (however that may be) has shown a willingness to act on their newfound beliefs instead of merely speak them. Which puts their trustability at a higher level than a turncoat.
That's why I don't ask for them. I simply don't accept someone coming up to me with them either, which is what most try and do. If you are on the opposite side from me, on whatever line is drawn, then you are my opponent not a "potential convertee." If you wish to change sides, you need more than an "oopsie poopsie I was retarded once, but now I'm not retarded at all plz take me in!"
In that vein, for example, you've put in considerable efforts to be on this side of the SJW divide just by maintaining numerous of these dumb little spaces in which we can speak, including trying to salvage KIAPrime's decent into its own ass. No apology was ever needed, you simply put in effort and that should be enough for anyone who would hold your past against you (I don't know of it, nor care).
There is a vast land of choices between "hard" and "completely free, no questions asked." If that minor hurdle is too much for them, then they weren't worth bringing over to begin with and would only bring the overall strength of your side down, whether by infighting or "light Wokeness" rot like concern trolling.
I believe that's what's called an honest (because costly) signal. I don't object to that. I object to useless theatrics like demanding an apology, or staging an inquisition for someone who wants to leave the dark side as soon as he leaves.
Let people evolve at their own pace and then judge. Because people don't change everything from one day to the next. Just being open-minded and being exposed to differing perspective than the prevailing one will do wonders for a lot of people. People are also more wed to opinions that they form on their own, rather than ones that are accepted by group pressure.
Well, no one would even know if I hadn't said anything. And I've always found people to be remarkably tolerant of past transgressions, even people who don't otherwise like you.
Well, this place has basically the hard-core anti-wokes, and it seems that infighting is more rampant than anywhere.
You don't need to admit people on an equal par to people who have been active for years. But it's good to be welcoming, to be nice. There's never a guarantee that they will be useful, but there's no harm in trying.
As do I, but I do think there is a process to be had. You don't open arms from day one, and you don't open your backside until they've proven themselves able to not stab it. Whereas most people on this side of the line are happy to welcome any ally who simply says the right things. From good ol' IMC, to Candace Owens, to now the detrans-ers.
I'm aware, its why I keep finding myself in the position of asking "but what are you actually mad about" only to get buzzwords and outrage bait youtube videos back. Most seem more interested in being mad and finding ways to dismiss everything that they see, instead of actually figuring out what the problem really is.
Which is where the irony comes in. While I demand that higher bar to welcome someone in compared to most on "our side," I'm also not interested in trying to sniff out Jews and shills and subversives in our ranks to throw them out.
Yes. In war, you should always act in accordance with tactical advantage. Conversion is always easier than annihilation. Break the enemy's will. Make them submit. Convert them. Dominate. Prevent the enemy from doing the same to you.
The culture war is a war like any other. It's just fought with different weapons.
The CEO of Anheuser Busch is a former (current?) CIA goon and John (the real 9/11 terrorist) Brennan protege.
That's more than enough for me.
Liberal aristocrats. These people aren't "elite" by any definition of the word.
stop with semantics, it's stupid.
no
Never won til their gone actually. But take it in strides
so kike company will fire kike ceo for doing kike things after goyim stomps his feet enough
sounds realistic and productive
GOOD LUCK ON THAT, BUDDYLIGHT!
Surrogacy is the ultimate “my child is an object that I don’t care about”. She’s a sociopath for even considering it unless she’s completely barren. Bet at least one kid becomes lgbtq because “mommy” needs a social status boost.
neigh
You are suggesting a very antisemitic action, my friend.
"Educated"? How about "She and her husband . . ."?
JK . . . he's right, of course.
The horse-faced yuppie looks like a woman I dated around the turn of the century. It never went anywhere even tho I debased myself by attending one of her leftist political events.