If I don't have his heart, then his sword can be pointed at me within a second regardless of it being pointed at my enemies the moment prior. I don't consider myself getting stabbed a good price to pay for someone else being stabbed. Which is why I don't welcome the de-trans, for a recent example, back with open arms like many here.
I also don't have issue with bloodthirst or petty interests if they are within reason, but those are simply the only times when calling for repentance doesn't benefit you. But at those times, neither does forgiveness.
If I don't have his heart, then his sword can be pointed at me within a second regardless of it being pointed at my enemies the moment prior
Correct. As is true for anyone. You don't have that guarantee for anyone. In fact, you don't have the guarantee that you have anyone's "heart", even if you think you do.
Asking for apologies is just pure self-ego-stroking, and not something that has any positive impact. People don't like to apologize. If you asked me to apologize for having been a SJW, you'd get a finger in return.
People don't switch allegiances on a whim, but make it easier to be good rather than hard.
But at those times, neither does forgiveness.
Forgiveness is also an internal state which is irrelevant.
Correct as well. But someone willing to put in the effort to try and repent (however that may be) has shown a willingness to act on their newfound beliefs instead of merely speak them. Which puts their trustability at a higher level than a turncoat.
Asking for apologies is just pure self-ego-stroking
That's why I don't ask for them. I simply don't accept someone coming up to me with them either, which is what most try and do. If you are on the opposite side from me, on whatever line is drawn, then you are my opponent not a "potential convertee." If you wish to change sides, you need more than an "oopsie poopsie I was retarded once, but now I'm not retarded at all plz take me in!"
In that vein, for example, you've put in considerable efforts to be on this side of the SJW divide just by maintaining numerous of these dumb little spaces in which we can speak, including trying to salvage KIAPrime's decent into its own ass. No apology was ever needed, you simply put in effort and that should be enough for anyone who would hold your past against you (I don't know of it, nor care).
make it easier to be good rather than hard.
There is a vast land of choices between "hard" and "completely free, no questions asked." If that minor hurdle is too much for them, then they weren't worth bringing over to begin with and would only bring the overall strength of your side down, whether by infighting or "light Wokeness" rot like concern trolling.
Correct as well. But someone willing to put in the effort to try and repent (however that may be) has shown a willingness to act on their newfound beliefs instead of merely speak them. Which puts their trustability at a higher level than a turncoat.
I believe that's what's called an honest (because costly) signal. I don't object to that. I object to useless theatrics like demanding an apology, or staging an inquisition for someone who wants to leave the dark side as soon as he leaves.
Let people evolve at their own pace and then judge. Because people don't change everything from one day to the next. Just being open-minded and being exposed to differing perspective than the prevailing one will do wonders for a lot of people. People are also more wed to opinions that they form on their own, rather than ones that are accepted by group pressure.
In that vein, for example, you've put in considerable efforts to be on this side of the SJW divide just by maintaining numerous of these dumb little spaces in which we can speak, including trying to salvage KIAPrime's decent into its own ass. No apology was ever needed, you simply put in effort and that should be enough for anyone who would hold your past against you (I don't know of it, nor care).
Well, no one would even know if I hadn't said anything. And I've always found people to be remarkably tolerant of past transgressions, even people who don't otherwise like you.
There is a vast land of choices between "hard" and "completely free, no questions asked." If that minor hurdle is too much for them, then they weren't worth bringing over to begin with and would only bring the overall strength of your side down, whether by infighting or "light Wokeness" rot like concern trolling.
Well, this place has basically the hard-core anti-wokes, and it seems that infighting is more rampant than anywhere.
You don't need to admit people on an equal par to people who have been active for years. But it's good to be welcoming, to be nice. There's never a guarantee that they will be useful, but there's no harm in trying.
I object to useless theatrics like demanding an apology, or staging an inquisition for someone who wants to leave the dark side as soon as he leaves.
As do I, but I do think there is a process to be had. You don't open arms from day one, and you don't open your backside until they've proven themselves able to not stab it. Whereas most people on this side of the line are happy to welcome any ally who simply says the right things. From good ol' IMC, to Candace Owens, to now the detrans-ers.
Well, this place has basically the hard-core anti-wokes and it seems that infighting is more rampant than anywhere.
I'm aware, its why I keep finding myself in the position of asking "but what are you actually mad about" only to get buzzwords and outrage bait youtube videos back. Most seem more interested in being mad and finding ways to dismiss everything that they see, instead of actually figuring out what the problem really is.
Which is where the irony comes in. While I demand that higher bar to welcome someone in compared to most on "our side," I'm also not interested in trying to sniff out Jews and shills and subversives in our ranks to throw them out.
If I don't have his heart, then his sword can be pointed at me within a second regardless of it being pointed at my enemies the moment prior. I don't consider myself getting stabbed a good price to pay for someone else being stabbed. Which is why I don't welcome the de-trans, for a recent example, back with open arms like many here.
I also don't have issue with bloodthirst or petty interests if they are within reason, but those are simply the only times when calling for repentance doesn't benefit you. But at those times, neither does forgiveness.
Correct. As is true for anyone. You don't have that guarantee for anyone. In fact, you don't have the guarantee that you have anyone's "heart", even if you think you do.
Asking for apologies is just pure self-ego-stroking, and not something that has any positive impact. People don't like to apologize. If you asked me to apologize for having been a SJW, you'd get a finger in return.
People don't switch allegiances on a whim, but make it easier to be good rather than hard.
Forgiveness is also an internal state which is irrelevant.
Correct as well. But someone willing to put in the effort to try and repent (however that may be) has shown a willingness to act on their newfound beliefs instead of merely speak them. Which puts their trustability at a higher level than a turncoat.
That's why I don't ask for them. I simply don't accept someone coming up to me with them either, which is what most try and do. If you are on the opposite side from me, on whatever line is drawn, then you are my opponent not a "potential convertee." If you wish to change sides, you need more than an "oopsie poopsie I was retarded once, but now I'm not retarded at all plz take me in!"
In that vein, for example, you've put in considerable efforts to be on this side of the SJW divide just by maintaining numerous of these dumb little spaces in which we can speak, including trying to salvage KIAPrime's decent into its own ass. No apology was ever needed, you simply put in effort and that should be enough for anyone who would hold your past against you (I don't know of it, nor care).
There is a vast land of choices between "hard" and "completely free, no questions asked." If that minor hurdle is too much for them, then they weren't worth bringing over to begin with and would only bring the overall strength of your side down, whether by infighting or "light Wokeness" rot like concern trolling.
I believe that's what's called an honest (because costly) signal. I don't object to that. I object to useless theatrics like demanding an apology, or staging an inquisition for someone who wants to leave the dark side as soon as he leaves.
Let people evolve at their own pace and then judge. Because people don't change everything from one day to the next. Just being open-minded and being exposed to differing perspective than the prevailing one will do wonders for a lot of people. People are also more wed to opinions that they form on their own, rather than ones that are accepted by group pressure.
Well, no one would even know if I hadn't said anything. And I've always found people to be remarkably tolerant of past transgressions, even people who don't otherwise like you.
Well, this place has basically the hard-core anti-wokes, and it seems that infighting is more rampant than anywhere.
You don't need to admit people on an equal par to people who have been active for years. But it's good to be welcoming, to be nice. There's never a guarantee that they will be useful, but there's no harm in trying.
As do I, but I do think there is a process to be had. You don't open arms from day one, and you don't open your backside until they've proven themselves able to not stab it. Whereas most people on this side of the line are happy to welcome any ally who simply says the right things. From good ol' IMC, to Candace Owens, to now the detrans-ers.
I'm aware, its why I keep finding myself in the position of asking "but what are you actually mad about" only to get buzzwords and outrage bait youtube videos back. Most seem more interested in being mad and finding ways to dismiss everything that they see, instead of actually figuring out what the problem really is.
Which is where the irony comes in. While I demand that higher bar to welcome someone in compared to most on "our side," I'm also not interested in trying to sniff out Jews and shills and subversives in our ranks to throw them out.