This goes in the poorly used leftist propaganda along with the constant repetition of “love the sinner, not the sin” they seem to forget the “go forth and sin no more” part. You forgive past transgressions when the person repents and seeks to be better, not when they want to bend your kid over next.
Around pride month there is a post I see that I like. It says that Jesus didn’t dine with sinners to affirm their lifestyle. He called them to repentance and a better life
Yeah, it's contrasted with "eye for an eye," because forgiveness is what allows for peace going into the future, where eye for an eye causes a cycle of vengeance.
Of course, at the same time as they demand to be praised in the name of forgiveness, they call for vengeance against anyone who fails to worship them.
Exactly. Forgiveness is for you. To cleanse your soul of stress, anger, and especially vengeance. If it matters to them, then they will repent with it and come back to you clean of sin themselves. Otherwise it'll flow off them like nothing.
True, but Jesus also accepted the Romans when they were oppressing the Jews. He even forgave Judas, and accepted the thief next to his cross into heaven.
From what I've read, Jesus would accept anyone who wanted to join the flock, and he would not abandon the flock for one sheep. He would teach all members of the flock forgiveness, as well as steer the flock away from harmful behavior (such as grooming children).
Yeah? And do you think these weirdos are following his teachings? I'm not even a believer but I find it extremely unlikely that Jesus would have much use for someone who would just scream at him until he did what they wanted.
A person who endeavors to accept and live out Jesus's teachings. In essence, someone who strives for peace, love, forgiveness, morality, and truly believing Jesus to be the savior of humanity.
Proverbs 17:15 says: He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just, both of them alike are an abomination to the Lord.
Stop justifying the wicked, which is the issue at hand. For some odd reason you think Jesus would just accept a sinful lifestyle because you want Him to be a hippy who just wants peace maaannnn.
34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. 37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it
Do you think that means you get to continue living the gay lifestyle? Or that sexual immorality is just accepted?
But he didn't actually bring a sword, right? It's allegorical, and I would argue it represents pure conflict, not mentioning severity.
He also never says to attack your family; you aren't the one being set against them.
I think the whole Pandemic really exemplifies this: most people who opposed the government in forcing medical mandates on us had one or more family members "set against" them. Those family were not committed to the idea that every human being is loved by God, but that humans were animals to be used and abused as needed by some other higher power they worship.
In normal times, we have no idea. But it's revealed when our faith is tested, either negatively, as in the Pandemic, or positively, as when the literal Son of God came to Earth to teach us.
How I read this is that Jesus is telling us to stick by him in the face of war with your family (which is neither easy nor pleasant). With luck, they'll come around but if not, the evil will wage war on you just to pull you off the path. Don't let them, even if it means your life.
The new testament indeed condemns homosexuality, but the sin is what is condemned, not the sinner. Someone who chooses to maintain a life of sin, as defined in the bible, is not trying to follow jesus and is therefore not represented in OP. A sinner who seeks biblical salvation would be a homosexual who seeks redemption through Jesus, which is what the OP depicts.
Again, the OP is wrong because Jesus would not abandon or condemn his followers for rejecting a sinner. Rather, he would embrace the sinner specifically to lead them away from sin, and teach his followers to forgive and embrace the sinner to also lead him away from sin.
It's because being gay brings negative consequences that creates places like Sodom and Gomorrah. Jesus, obviously, wouldn't want people to destroy themselves any more than you'd want your brother to become a drug addict.
How considerate of Jesus to take the deformed sheep outside before killing it. We wouldn't want all the blood in the house or to damage that pristine white wool.
I have never met a Christian who would tell a gay person that they aren’t welcome in their church. I don’t even think the Westboro Baptist Church would do that.
In reality, they want to be affirmed and celebrated for being gay/trans/whatever, and we can’t do that because it is a sin.
Idk, if it showed the sheep transforming in the second panel, from his politicolor back to natural color, it would be a pretty accurate comic.
The sheep IS allowed in the church, which should help him REPENT and teach him about Jesus. The church is wrong to say "you really are a hedon deep down inside and you are not allowed" because a core tenant is that we are all sinners and Jesus gave us a clear path to repentance. You and I have sinned too... would the church tell us we can't be or become Christians, if they knew? The whole thing is that, save the details, the church already knows, and that is why it's there. Its only real excuse to exist is to honor, nurture, and kindle the direct connection between you and Jesus, which exists independently of them on Jesus' own word.
So Jesus would walk with the rejected sheep, but, since He isn't some beta buddy who tags along to give you the thumbs up every time you act in a self destructive way, the sheep as depicted in the first panel would undergo a change. Being a comic, a visual change, and he is only drawn via shape and color, and he has to retain the sheep shape, so, he would fade in color. To red? To black? To brown? Hmmm ;)
Now add a third panel where Jesus tells the sinner god loves him and if he just stops being a sinner and says sorry, he can totally go to heaven.
Now add a fourth panel with Jesus becoming a cult leader surrounded by an army of fags and whores, who he is slowly improving the character of and directing their energy toward hating the regional superpower, the Roman empire.
Now add a fifth panel showing the long march through the Roman institutions, replacing Rome's empire building, imperialist war-loving religion with a religion centered around (metaphorically) bending over and taking it.
Now remind yourself that Jesus was Jewish and he subverted his host nation, destroying civilization and leaving europe full of people programmed to give jews the benefit of the doubt and die for Israel for the next 2000 fucking years.
Unironically I think his look plays a large part in that. Because the long hair and goatee/beard look is on every dirty hippy and lib professors for going half a century now. So the unconscious stereotype part of our brain just instantly wires that idea to us without thinking about it.
Its a recent invention, but its also fresh in the minds of everybody who lives in the last few generations. That makes it even more likely to cause such an association.
This goes in the poorly used leftist propaganda along with the constant repetition of “love the sinner, not the sin” they seem to forget the “go forth and sin no more” part. You forgive past transgressions when the person repents and seeks to be better, not when they want to bend your kid over next.
Around pride month there is a post I see that I like. It says that Jesus didn’t dine with sinners to affirm their lifestyle. He called them to repentance and a better life
It also conflates forgiveness with unconditional acceptance and clean slate.
You can forgive someone for all their wrong doings against you, while still not letting them in your house again.
Yeah, it's contrasted with "eye for an eye," because forgiveness is what allows for peace going into the future, where eye for an eye causes a cycle of vengeance.
Of course, at the same time as they demand to be praised in the name of forgiveness, they call for vengeance against anyone who fails to worship them.
Exactly. Forgiveness is for you. To cleanse your soul of stress, anger, and especially vengeance. If it matters to them, then they will repent with it and come back to you clean of sin themselves. Otherwise it'll flow off them like nothing.
Lefties seem to forget Jesus clearing the temple.
Remember, when someone asks you WWJD that making a whip, flipping some tables, and flogging a motherfucker is a viable option.
"Get thee behind me, demon."
~Jesus of Nazareth
Not just any demon, Satan. One of my favorite quotes because of the context and the implication of it.
They take the literal interpretation of the words and not the context or the meaning behind them. It is infuriating.
True, but Jesus also accepted the Romans when they were oppressing the Jews. He even forgave Judas, and accepted the thief next to his cross into heaven.
From what I've read, Jesus would accept anyone who wanted to join the flock, and he would not abandon the flock for one sheep. He would teach all members of the flock forgiveness, as well as steer the flock away from harmful behavior (such as grooming children).
Continuing to sin isn't JoInIng ThE FlOcK it's being a false teacher.
Jesus accepted sinners so that he could teach them. Otherwise there would be no point.
What part of "go and sin no more" are you not getting?
John 8, right? That line is prefixed with
and immediately followed by
Jesus accepted anyone who was willing to follow him and his teachings. He never condemned the sinner, but the sin itself.
Yeah? And do you think these weirdos are following his teachings? I'm not even a believer but I find it extremely unlikely that Jesus would have much use for someone who would just scream at him until he did what they wanted.
The comic above completely ignores the context of why the rainbow sheep is being asked to leave (and not even stoned).
If they're gay, but recognize that sodomy is a sin and are seeking help, Jesus is there for them.
If they're in the church to prosthelatize for sin, Jesus would cast them out like moneylenders.
The OP depicts a gay person who wants to follow jesus, not the screaming faggots we're so familiar with. Such people do exist.
What do you think "follows" means?
A person who endeavors to accept and live out Jesus's teachings. In essence, someone who strives for peace, love, forgiveness, morality, and truly believing Jesus to be the savior of humanity.
Oh you poor fool.
Proverbs 17:15 says: He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just, both of them alike are an abomination to the Lord.
Stop justifying the wicked, which is the issue at hand. For some odd reason you think Jesus would just accept a sinful lifestyle because you want Him to be a hippy who just wants peace maaannnn.
Do you think that means you get to continue living the gay lifestyle? Or that sexual immorality is just accepted?
But he didn't actually bring a sword, right? It's allegorical, and I would argue it represents pure conflict, not mentioning severity.
He also never says to attack your family; you aren't the one being set against them.
I think the whole Pandemic really exemplifies this: most people who opposed the government in forcing medical mandates on us had one or more family members "set against" them. Those family were not committed to the idea that every human being is loved by God, but that humans were animals to be used and abused as needed by some other higher power they worship.
In normal times, we have no idea. But it's revealed when our faith is tested, either negatively, as in the Pandemic, or positively, as when the literal Son of God came to Earth to teach us.
How I read this is that Jesus is telling us to stick by him in the face of war with your family (which is neither easy nor pleasant). With luck, they'll come around but if not, the evil will wage war on you just to pull you off the path. Don't let them, even if it means your life.
The new testament indeed condemns homosexuality, but the sin is what is condemned, not the sinner. Someone who chooses to maintain a life of sin, as defined in the bible, is not trying to follow jesus and is therefore not represented in OP. A sinner who seeks biblical salvation would be a homosexual who seeks redemption through Jesus, which is what the OP depicts.
Again, the OP is wrong because Jesus would not abandon or condemn his followers for rejecting a sinner. Rather, he would embrace the sinner specifically to lead them away from sin, and teach his followers to forgive and embrace the sinner to also lead him away from sin.
>cherrypicking bible quotes
Cherrypicking bible quotes is all christian debate ever boils down to.
They seem to forget when Jesus outright proposed Sodom and Gomorrah as bad, if not the worst possible outcomes for a city or a place.
It's because being gay brings negative consequences that creates places like Sodom and Gomorrah. Jesus, obviously, wouldn't want people to destroy themselves any more than you'd want your brother to become a drug addict.
God didn't destroy California...
Yet.
Things like this have a lifespan followed by some untimely, seemingly divinely inspired disasters, usually due directly to our own hubris.
How considerate of Jesus to take the deformed sheep outside before killing it. We wouldn't want all the blood in the house or to damage that pristine white wool.
Based Jesus saves flock by sacrificing his own well being to save the corrupt sheep away from them so they don't all get sick.
I have never met a Christian who would tell a gay person that they aren’t welcome in their church. I don’t even think the Westboro Baptist Church would do that.
In reality, they want to be affirmed and celebrated for being gay/trans/whatever, and we can’t do that because it is a sin.
Idk, if it showed the sheep transforming in the second panel, from his politicolor back to natural color, it would be a pretty accurate comic.
The sheep IS allowed in the church, which should help him REPENT and teach him about Jesus. The church is wrong to say "you really are a hedon deep down inside and you are not allowed" because a core tenant is that we are all sinners and Jesus gave us a clear path to repentance. You and I have sinned too... would the church tell us we can't be or become Christians, if they knew? The whole thing is that, save the details, the church already knows, and that is why it's there. Its only real excuse to exist is to honor, nurture, and kindle the direct connection between you and Jesus, which exists independently of them on Jesus' own word.
So Jesus would walk with the rejected sheep, but, since He isn't some beta buddy who tags along to give you the thumbs up every time you act in a self destructive way, the sheep as depicted in the first panel would undergo a change. Being a comic, a visual change, and he is only drawn via shape and color, and he has to retain the sheep shape, so, he would fade in color. To red? To black? To brown? Hmmm ;)
Well said
Came to say this as well; the comic is accurate. Jesus doesn't give up on anyone, no matter how much of a faggot they are.
I too recall the “Baa baa rainbow sheep” era, when our current “PC culture” was only beginning to ramp up, and was largely seen as a joke…
Ah, the more innocent times that were, lol…
One lamb to the slaughter.
Replace the church with a Synagogue.
Now add a third panel where Jesus tells the sinner god loves him and if he just stops being a sinner and says sorry, he can totally go to heaven.
Now add a fourth panel with Jesus becoming a cult leader surrounded by an army of fags and whores, who he is slowly improving the character of and directing their energy toward hating the regional superpower, the Roman empire.
Now add a fifth panel showing the long march through the Roman institutions, replacing Rome's empire building, imperialist war-loving religion with a religion centered around (metaphorically) bending over and taking it.
Now remind yourself that Jesus was Jewish and he subverted his host nation, destroying civilization and leaving europe full of people programmed to give jews the benefit of the doubt and die for Israel for the next 2000 fucking years.
Jesus
was not a jew
Hey look, it's someone who is as deranged as Imp, just towards the jews.
You're absolutely insane.
I'm just saying, the way Jews politically interact with the nations around them hasn't changed in 2000 years.
Nah man, it's women who are to blame!
I swear Imp just makes these accounts to make it seem like being a deranged moron is the norm.
And I hate when they say “well God loves me”. I’m like true but that doesn’t mean he loves our sins
He hates rebellion, but is willing to forgive anyone as soon as they repent. For as many times as it takes.
Sure but repenting means an honest and sincere attempt to stop sinning. Asking for forgiveness with faux repentance isn't going to fool God.
He does love them, which raises the question of what kind of person are they who continuously hurt the ones they love.
Unironically I think his look plays a large part in that. Because the long hair and goatee/beard look is on every dirty hippy and lib professors for going half a century now. So the unconscious stereotype part of our brain just instantly wires that idea to us without thinking about it.
This despite the fact that he lived in a time when almost every adult male in Judea would have looked like that, lol…
I imagine shaving probably made you a bit of an outlier, in that time…
Unlike (mostly) today.
Same with Mohammedans and beards, or the Sikh hair thing, obviously…
The “long hair and beard = hippie/communist” thing is a much, much more recent inversion, obviously…
Its a recent invention, but its also fresh in the minds of everybody who lives in the last few generations. That makes it even more likely to cause such an association.