"It's fine if you want to make the character black..." - No, it's not.
What this guy is saying is like "it's fine if you shove a 12 inch dildo up my ass, but it's really weird to say it's a 5 inch dildo when it clearly isn't"
Exactly. It’s what nerds do. I remember this one fake female fan said only female characters take flak online and someone shut her up by showing how much negative flak Ben Afflec got when he was cast as Batman
I was 8 when the movie came out but remember hearing about that later. Nerds will nitpick. That makes us nerds. But when we nitpick a female character it’s evil
No. Not in that case. I guess im just saying that there will always be scrutiny from nerds. But we are branded as toxic for not clapping like seals at the crappy products put out.
Dark Knight is a different story . I am not a comic book guy, but isn't it based off an entirely different comic incarnation of the Bat? In a genre known for reinventing characters periodically.
Yeah, like the big talking about with Fox at the time wasn't her being April but the clear "he is probably fucking her" thing about how she kept being in his movies. That and as stated the ugly turtle designs.
It also might have been around the time she called him Hitler over some shit, which overshadowed her entire career.
this. original april in mirage comics was a white chick with a perm because that's what was popular in that era. she looked like the original weird science pinup girl from the original movie. half the women then looked like that.
it was marxist race-swappers that infiltrated the comics industry decades later to poison the source material. it's like the shit where superman is suddenly gay. no, "the source material" doesn't have him as gay... a bunch of douchebags infiltrated the industry to piss on the source material.
Laird even said in an interview, April was white with an 80's style perm. For a brief moment in their design phase April was Asian. Her look changed more towards pale ginger over the years, as she's a fucking O'neil.
Based on the picture of the mixed race girlfriend, I'd say she could have been multiracial the whole time, but you wouldn't know it. Since that woman looks white to me. That could explain the surname.
But these same people who insist Jesus is a fictional character, want to insist on a dark-skinned Middle Eastern picture of him. My Reply: Fine, if you're depicting the historical Jesus the Man. But when it comes to the Jesus Of Faith, and you think that one is "fictional", then why can't he be a blonde, blue-eyed clean-looking hippie type?
Contemporary accounts of Jesus (from outside the Bible since the Bible doesn't usefully describe Jesus) describe him as fair skinned and having chestnut hair. Now whether fair skinned in first century Judea comports with what an American would call fair skinned today, I dunno. It seems to belie the claims that he was black or extremely swarthy as some 'historical' depictions have claimed.
Yeah and I'm not one to get into a fight over whether Meds are white or not, but I well know how much they can tan -- see them after their 6 weeks of paid vacation. So Jesus can probably be almost whatever shade makes you feel best between lily white and Guatemalan, lol
Color is one of the most difficult things to interpret from ancient written sources. Historians write whole treatises on the use of color in ancient texts. The description of color is entirely dependent on the viewer and shifts over time.
Though I've seen people assume that the term "wine-dark sea" indicated that Homer had a problem seeing colour, I don't think so. I think he only had more or less clear water, and opaque wine, for to choose from for a description of how, well, dark the sea was that he was trying to describe (rather than its actual apparent colour). And it's usually that dark when a storm is brewing, I would imagine, compared to when it's calm and you can wade and see the bottom.
I’ve never seen critics twist themselves into knots so much as when they tried to justify that garbage show. Someone actually said it wasn’t the same thing when I said a white guy should play Malcolm X then.
It cracks me up how they attack him so much for simply saying to make original characters. I mean it’s very easy to just race or gender swap. Unfortunately today the brain dead critics will clap like a seal for race/gender swaps
even today.. no one really buys black toys. the super majority of nerd toy collectors are asians and whites that are boys and men lol. boys want cool masculine male figurines. men want masculine male figurines or sexy ass female figurines.
Not even black people want black toys. They love anime but there's no black made animation (except for Boondocks, and nobodies making toys out of that, lol); they're prefectly fine with white/asian paleface characters.
"It's fine if you want to make the character black..." - No, it's not.
What this guy is saying is like "it's fine if you shove a 12 inch dildo up my ass, but it's really weird to say it's a 5 inch dildo when it clearly isn't"
Exactly. It’s what nerds do. I remember this one fake female fan said only female characters take flak online and someone shut her up by showing how much negative flak Ben Afflec got when he was cast as Batman
When it broke that Heath Ledger had been casted as The Joker, people lost their damn minds.
Yup. But it doesn’t fit the narrative.
Michael Keaton was a very questionable choice for Batman, as he was a comedic actor, and people had doubts about that movie not being Adam West-y.
I was 8 when the movie came out but remember hearing about that later. Nerds will nitpick. That makes us nerds. But when we nitpick a female character it’s evil
That's why women and girls (generally) have no business in nerd spaces. They don't understand the pedantry and they take everything personally.
No. Not in that case. I guess im just saying that there will always be scrutiny from nerds. But we are branded as toxic for not clapping like seals at the crappy products put out.
And... wasn't he the worst Batman?
I think consensus is that Clooney gets that title.
The nipple batsuit didn't help.
Aww, man, now I have to drink away those brain cells all over again. I had finally forgotten...
I don't know, but watching that movie now, it really isn't far off from the Adam West incarnation, compared to the Dark Knight trilogy ...
Dark Knight is a different story . I am not a comic book guy, but isn't it based off an entirely different comic incarnation of the Bat? In a genre known for reinventing characters periodically.
Yeah, like the big talking about with Fox at the time wasn't her being April but the clear "he is probably fucking her" thing about how she kept being in his movies. That and as stated the ugly turtle designs.
It also might have been around the time she called him Hitler over some shit, which overshadowed her entire career.
There was so much wrong with the bay turtles that her casting was just the least of it. Like the noses on the turtles
They did.
"april was actually black" is an old lie, here's a blog post a googled debunking it
The old curly hair= black argument.
These people do not know that white women got perms in the 80s.
These people think that blacks were still slaves in the 1980s
Or that some Gingers have curly hair. Red, curly hair is a thing.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=natural%20red%20curly%20hair&first=1
this. original april in mirage comics was a white chick with a perm because that's what was popular in that era. she looked like the original weird science pinup girl from the original movie. half the women then looked like that.
it was marxist race-swappers that infiltrated the comics industry decades later to poison the source material. it's like the shit where superman is suddenly gay. no, "the source material" doesn't have him as gay... a bunch of douchebags infiltrated the industry to piss on the source material.
Laird even said in an interview, April was white with an 80's style perm. For a brief moment in their design phase April was Asian. Her look changed more towards pale ginger over the years, as she's a fucking O'neil.
Based on the picture of the mixed race girlfriend, I'd say she could have been multiracial the whole time, but you wouldn't know it. Since that woman looks white to me. That could explain the surname.
But these same people who insist Jesus is a fictional character, want to insist on a dark-skinned Middle Eastern picture of him. My Reply: Fine, if you're depicting the historical Jesus the Man. But when it comes to the Jesus Of Faith, and you think that one is "fictional", then why can't he be a blonde, blue-eyed clean-looking hippie type?
Contemporary accounts of Jesus (from outside the Bible since the Bible doesn't usefully describe Jesus) describe him as fair skinned and having chestnut hair. Now whether fair skinned in first century Judea comports with what an American would call fair skinned today, I dunno. It seems to belie the claims that he was black or extremely swarthy as some 'historical' depictions have claimed.
I always figured maybe "olive-skinned", as we used to call it. Or "well-tanned".
Yeah and I'm not one to get into a fight over whether Meds are white or not, but I well know how much they can tan -- see them after their 6 weeks of paid vacation. So Jesus can probably be almost whatever shade makes you feel best between lily white and Guatemalan, lol
Color is one of the most difficult things to interpret from ancient written sources. Historians write whole treatises on the use of color in ancient texts. The description of color is entirely dependent on the viewer and shifts over time.
Mm, and the writer might have been colour-blind.
Though I've seen people assume that the term "wine-dark sea" indicated that Homer had a problem seeing colour, I don't think so. I think he only had more or less clear water, and opaque wine, for to choose from for a description of how, well, dark the sea was that he was trying to describe (rather than its actual apparent colour). And it's usually that dark when a storm is brewing, I would imagine, compared to when it's calm and you can wade and see the bottom.
I always figured it was a metaphor.
I’ve never seen critics twist themselves into knots so much as when they tried to justify that garbage show. Someone actually said it wasn’t the same thing when I said a white guy should play Malcolm X then.
Yep. They use that line all the time
I had one of the first comics and she was white. Forgive me if I have trouble believing that they forced him to make her white after making her black.
Rippa just replied to this: No, April O'Neil was NOT originally black
It cracks me up how they attack him so much for simply saying to make original characters. I mean it’s very easy to just race or gender swap. Unfortunately today the brain dead critics will clap like a seal for race/gender swaps
It makes them even angrier that he did create an original character and had a very successful first book
Yep. You read it? I enjoyed it and will buy the next one
Not yet. Haven’t had much time for reading comics. It’s on my to do list
Everybodie's talking about them turning her black, nobody's talking about her losing her rack.
She looks like black Irma from the 90s cartoon, not black April.
So weird that they do this with her, when there WAS a character who was originally black in the comics, but made white later.
Baxter Stockman.
Except she was not and the creator said she was a white red head.
Archive where?
even today.. no one really buys black toys. the super majority of nerd toy collectors are asians and whites that are boys and men lol. boys want cool masculine male figurines. men want masculine male figurines or sexy ass female figurines.
Not even black people want black toys. They love anime but there's no black made animation (except for Boondocks, and nobodies making toys out of that, lol); they're prefectly fine with white/asian paleface characters.
Well, based upon the design and proportions, they're all midgets too.
It's that her body is more turtle shaped than the turtles is what gets to me.