Maybe they aren't feuding so much as distancing DeSantis from Trump because Trump is done and wants his DeSantis to win, thus remove orange man bad association....nah, too clever. It's an old crab and bland red oatmeal in a bucket.
I know we have some people here that go 'Trump is playing 4d chess, he's the one we need in charge right now' but I got a theory bouncing in my head for why this is happening.
I think there may be people using Trump to goad Desantis into running in 2024 to create another situation where Trump would act as a spoiler candidate, dividing the vote between Republicans so the Dems win. Happened to give Woodrow Wilson the win and can be argued that's how Bush Sr lost but that's cause he raised taxes.
Trump won't back down so even if he lost nomination, I'm 90% sure he'd run independently anyway. Best thing to do is focus on states, house and possibly senate to make it a lame duck president
If Trump loses the nomination and actually becomes a spoiler 3rd party candidate and gifts the Dems 2024, he destroys his legacy completely.
He will be hated by everyone on the right who is not a mindless Trump sycophant.
The Dems would easily be able to indict Trump in 2025 without fear of backlash and most right wing voters would be okay with it.
Right now I just want Trump to retire.
If he is petty and narcissistic enough to doom us to 4 more years of Dem rule over his stupid ego, I will have no sympathy for him when the left will likely railroad him in court.
The Trump currently around is not the 2016 one that shocked the establishment or the 2020 one that was such a threat they changed the rules to win.
I don't know if he has that same force of nature not to step aside for ego if it came to that, which is why I'd rather focus on everything below the presidency
6 representatives managed to hold the house in limbo for days till they got deals to end it that included more restrictions on the speaker, we need more like that in both the house and senate then the president can't do fuck all. The only reason the presidency has so much power is both the house and senate shirking responsibilities for centuries..
Regardless of who is the nominee in 2024, the most important thing is ensuring Dems don't get a trifecta. If the Dems manage to get a trifecta in 2024, kiss everything goodbye.
That means holding the House and or flipping the Senate. Holding the House will be hard as the current majority is very thin.
On the other hand the 2024 Senate map is the most favorable Senate map for Republicans in 2 decades.
There are 3 relatively easy flips in solid red states as long as we can get good candidates as the nominees.
The path to flip the Senate is relatively easy as long as our primary voters don't go full retard like they did in swing states like GA, PA and MI in 2022. We cannot have Herschel Walker, Dr. Oz., Doug Mastriano and Tudor Dixon level nominees again.
Best options:
Governor Jim Justice in WV against Joe Manchin.
Secretary of State Frank LaRose in OH against Sherrod Brown.
Attorney General Austin Knudsen or Governor Greg Gianforte in MT against Jon Tester.
Montana Senate is the race we can easily throw away if the base acts dumb.
Rosendale already lost in 2018 to Tester and he has more baggage since then and Zinke has way too much baggage with his corruption allegations.
The base must think here and not nominate Rosendale and Zinke.
The only incumbent seat that worries me a little is Ted Cruz in Texas.
We need Cruz to run a much better campaign than he did against Beto in 2018.
Cruz will likely be up against Collin Alred who will get big margins in the DFW suburbs. Cruz needs to outperform Trump in the suburbs if Trump is the presidential nominee in 2024. If DeSantis is the nominee, he would carry Cruz easily in 2024.
Trump's already done a good job fucking his image on his own. Refusing to acknowledge his mistakes with the lock downs and operation warp speed are part of it, but his stance on red flag laws and his "platinum plan" bullshit are another one too.
Which, quite frankly, is why I don’t think he would run 3rd party. We may have differing attitudes toward Trumps chances in 2024 (not that I think they are great, just better than you do, and still lean DeSantis). But I think we can both agree that Trump is obsessed with ego and image. If he ran 3rd party and spoiled the vote, all but his most hardcore supporters would turn on him and his legacy would be forever ruined.
Better to sit in the background, rage about how “The RNC totally screwed me for that RINO!” While DeSantis just starts repeating all of the steps he used to turn Florida from a swing state to solid red.
Was it a bluff? Was it real? We will never know because he ended up the nominee in 2016.
What he potentially does in 2024 if he loses the nomination will ultimately decide his legacy.
He can be the patriot who put the sake of America first over his ego or he can be the reviled degenerate who doomed America to a future of globalism by running a narcissistic and doomed third party bid.
At this point in time, I think Trump has no good shot of winning a general election.
There are only four potential outcomes for the presidency for 2024 in my mind:
Trump becomes the nominee, loses the general election and dooms the nation.
Trump loses the nomination and runs third party, splits the vote and dooms the nation.
Trump loses the nomination and actively rallies to persuade enough of his sycophants to stay home and dooms the nation.
Trump loses the nomination and just rants on Truth social and somehow DeSantis ekes out a win.
This is why I think preventing the Dem trifecta by keeping the House or flipping the Senate is the most important thing.
Was it a bluff? Was it real? We will never know because he ended up the nominee in 2016.
Is it worth risking? I guess if you think that Trump will definitely lose. But isn't that just what you want to believe? Because you haven't been exactly positive on Trump.
At this point in time, I think Trump has no good shot of winning a general election.
According to Predictit, Trump has a 38% chance to win the nomination, and a 26% chance to win the general. So that's a 2-1 chance if he gets the nomination. And you can earn a lot of money if you are that confident.
Trump loses the nomination and just rants on Truth social and somehow DeSantis ekes out a win.
You seem very pessimistic in general. I guess that's better than some other people who claim that DeSantis will score a 49-state landslide.
Will his anger in losing the nomination override any sense of rationality he possesses?
I suppose that that comes down to what you feel of Trumps personality. For my money, I do think he would resist the urge. Yes, he is driven by ego and has done bizarre shit because of it. But Ego is a lot easier to read than people give it credit for, and the only way I see him pulling something like that would be if he had some trick up his sleeve to make it work.
Being a loser, who then causes even bigger losing to someone a lot of his supports actually have respect for, would destroy him, which would bruise his ego a whole lot more than just losing and then fuming in the corner. Especially if he can turn it into something that he thinks he can win on ("DeSantis was going to be a weak RINO, but I helped pull him in a more based direction folks!")
I miss Trump 2015/2016. He had so much moxy. He was also a lot more tempered back then. He knew when to attack but also when to sit back and let his enemies make their own mistakes.
Trump 2016 was a novel experience where he went after the establishment and focused on real issues like draining the swamp and stopping illegal immigration.
It has been 6 years now and the swamp is stronger than ever and the border is open.
He can't say that he achieved his main goals.
He has a record now and it is not a perfect record by any means.
The Trump 2024 campaign is sadly nothing more than a bitter old man who thinks he is entitled to be President again and he is trying to recapture lightning in a bottle without realizing the conditions of 2016 don't exist anymore.
Trump's shtick has gotten unbearable. He attacks DeSantis more than the left.
We are in 2023 and what we need now from the nominee is restoring sanity, competent personnel hiring and being focused on getting key policies enacted.
Three things that are not Trump's strengths.
Trump is focused now on attacking his potential rival for the nomination and still complaining about the 2020 election.
We need to look to winning the future not impotently trying to undo the 2020 election.
Agreed. I guess most people would get jaded spending 4 years in the DC Swamp and surrounded by backstabbing traitors that Trump had to endure from his own party. I wonder if age is also a factor. Maybe he is just too old and doesn't have the patience and guile he had back in 2016. If DeSantis does manage to become a clear front runner in 2024 I hope Trump will give him his support.
What Trump does in 2024 if he loses the nomination will show us if he ever really cared about the people and country.
If he is not able to put his own ego aside for the good of the country and get behind the winner of the primary then he never was a true patriot at all.
If DeSantis does manage to become a clear front runner in 2024 I hope Trump will give him his support.
I sincerely hope he stays at the state level. The fed is too corrupt to be fixed with one office. They'd just backstab him harder than Trump, but that's assuming he'd be able to win in spite of the "fortification" they'd be pulling to make sure he didn't.
I am cautiously optimistic that DeSantis can beat Trump in the primaries if he stays focused on policy while Trump just foolishly smears everyone and sinks to new lows.
There is not going to be any DeSantis 2024 run, so get that out of your head. Second, the idea that Trump voters are automatically going to vote for whatever GOP nomination is wishful thinking (at best) or mental retardation (at worst). Frankly, if the GOP really are going to try and screw over Trump, you should reconsider voting for any GOP party member.
This is a very classy response that shows us what kind of primary campaign DeSantis would run if he chooses to run against Trump in the 2024 primary.
The contrast between DeSantis and Trump is striking.
Do we want the FL governor working on delivering results for the people and fighting back against Dem overreach or do we want the former President who spends his time nowadays smearing fellow Republicans and yelling that it is "disloyal" if anyone even says he should not be coronated automatically as the nominee?
Remember that DeSantis is one of them. He signed the Florida Law that hid in a stipulation that under emergencies the State can forcibly inoculate you in camps.
You are a retarded Trump sycophant who refuses to acknowledge the smear made.
He is obviously being snarky and falsely insinuating that he is a groomer.
Someone denying the post would have never amplified it and retweeted it to all of his followers.
You ignore the context of Trump attacking DeSantis for weeks now.
Trump will either lose the primary in 2024 or lose the general in 2024. Either way he will be losing. He will never be President again Cope and seethe.
Unless those people are men, then it's "unconstitutional".
Man, you hate the constitution almost as much as you love Trump. Who, for some reason, you don't criticize for not aborting Ivanka, even though she ewants you dead.
Reduced taxes on products women buy, called it "freedom bill" like a typical neocon grift.
LOL! I made a thread mocking you regarding that exact topic, and here you are, seething that diapers... and gas stoves are no longer taxed.
Took on Disney and got...nothing as far as I can tell. Just some soundbites and banning them from building an airport.
While I will be disappointed as well if that is the outcome, I will note that Disney has been shutting up about culture war matters for a year. We're not there yet, but it is progress.
Blocked efforts for joint custody and alimony caps, stating they are "unconstitutional" ideas.
Which they were. Besides, female members of the Florida GOP voted for them, which proves that it's a bad idea. They want to slit the throats of men, membah?
Took on the trans lobby...except women's organizations were not even mentioned despite the billions they poured into normalizing trannies.
I'm no campaign manager but I'm pretty sure the DeSantis/ trump "feud" is the worst idea
Maybe they aren't feuding so much as distancing DeSantis from Trump because Trump is done and wants his DeSantis to win, thus remove orange man bad association....nah, too clever. It's an old crab and bland red oatmeal in a bucket.
I know we have some people here that go 'Trump is playing 4d chess, he's the one we need in charge right now' but I got a theory bouncing in my head for why this is happening.
I think there may be people using Trump to goad Desantis into running in 2024 to create another situation where Trump would act as a spoiler candidate, dividing the vote between Republicans so the Dems win. Happened to give Woodrow Wilson the win and can be argued that's how Bush Sr lost but that's cause he raised taxes.
Trump won't back down so even if he lost nomination, I'm 90% sure he'd run independently anyway. Best thing to do is focus on states, house and possibly senate to make it a lame duck president
If Trump loses the nomination and actually becomes a spoiler 3rd party candidate and gifts the Dems 2024, he destroys his legacy completely.
He will be hated by everyone on the right who is not a mindless Trump sycophant.
The Dems would easily be able to indict Trump in 2025 without fear of backlash and most right wing voters would be okay with it.
Right now I just want Trump to retire.
If he is petty and narcissistic enough to doom us to 4 more years of Dem rule over his stupid ego, I will have no sympathy for him when the left will likely railroad him in court.
The Trump currently around is not the 2016 one that shocked the establishment or the 2020 one that was such a threat they changed the rules to win.
I don't know if he has that same force of nature not to step aside for ego if it came to that, which is why I'd rather focus on everything below the presidency
6 representatives managed to hold the house in limbo for days till they got deals to end it that included more restrictions on the speaker, we need more like that in both the house and senate then the president can't do fuck all. The only reason the presidency has so much power is both the house and senate shirking responsibilities for centuries..
Regardless of who is the nominee in 2024, the most important thing is ensuring Dems don't get a trifecta. If the Dems manage to get a trifecta in 2024, kiss everything goodbye.
That means holding the House and or flipping the Senate. Holding the House will be hard as the current majority is very thin.
On the other hand the 2024 Senate map is the most favorable Senate map for Republicans in 2 decades.
There are 3 relatively easy flips in solid red states as long as we can get good candidates as the nominees.
The path to flip the Senate is relatively easy as long as our primary voters don't go full retard like they did in swing states like GA, PA and MI in 2022. We cannot have Herschel Walker, Dr. Oz., Doug Mastriano and Tudor Dixon level nominees again.
Best options:
Governor Jim Justice in WV against Joe Manchin.
Secretary of State Frank LaRose in OH against Sherrod Brown.
Attorney General Austin Knudsen or Governor Greg Gianforte in MT against Jon Tester.
Montana Senate is the race we can easily throw away if the base acts dumb.
Rosendale already lost in 2018 to Tester and he has more baggage since then and Zinke has way too much baggage with his corruption allegations.
The base must think here and not nominate Rosendale and Zinke.
The only incumbent seat that worries me a little is Ted Cruz in Texas.
We need Cruz to run a much better campaign than he did against Beto in 2018.
Cruz will likely be up against Collin Alred who will get big margins in the DFW suburbs. Cruz needs to outperform Trump in the suburbs if Trump is the presidential nominee in 2024. If DeSantis is the nominee, he would carry Cruz easily in 2024.
Trump's already done a good job fucking his image on his own. Refusing to acknowledge his mistakes with the lock downs and operation warp speed are part of it, but his stance on red flag laws and his "platinum plan" bullshit are another one too.
Which, quite frankly, is why I don’t think he would run 3rd party. We may have differing attitudes toward Trumps chances in 2024 (not that I think they are great, just better than you do, and still lean DeSantis). But I think we can both agree that Trump is obsessed with ego and image. If he ran 3rd party and spoiled the vote, all but his most hardcore supporters would turn on him and his legacy would be forever ruined.
Better to sit in the background, rage about how “The RNC totally screwed me for that RINO!” While DeSantis just starts repeating all of the steps he used to turn Florida from a swing state to solid red.
The question to consider is this?
Will his anger in losing the nomination override any sense of rationality he possesses?
I hope he wouldn't go full retard but the Trump we see in his 2024 campaign is way dumber than the Trump of 2016 or even the Trump of 2020.
In the last two years, he has gotten very unhinged.
In 2016, he was the only GOP who would not promise to back the nominee if he lost. Not exactly out of character.
Was it a bluff? Was it real? We will never know because he ended up the nominee in 2016.
What he potentially does in 2024 if he loses the nomination will ultimately decide his legacy.
He can be the patriot who put the sake of America first over his ego or he can be the reviled degenerate who doomed America to a future of globalism by running a narcissistic and doomed third party bid.
At this point in time, I think Trump has no good shot of winning a general election.
There are only four potential outcomes for the presidency for 2024 in my mind:
Trump becomes the nominee, loses the general election and dooms the nation.
Trump loses the nomination and runs third party, splits the vote and dooms the nation.
Trump loses the nomination and actively rallies to persuade enough of his sycophants to stay home and dooms the nation.
Trump loses the nomination and just rants on Truth social and somehow DeSantis ekes out a win.
This is why I think preventing the Dem trifecta by keeping the House or flipping the Senate is the most important thing.
Is it worth risking? I guess if you think that Trump will definitely lose. But isn't that just what you want to believe? Because you haven't been exactly positive on Trump.
https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7456/Who-will-win-the-2024-US-presidential-election
According to Predictit, Trump has a 38% chance to win the nomination, and a 26% chance to win the general. So that's a 2-1 chance if he gets the nomination. And you can earn a lot of money if you are that confident.
You seem very pessimistic in general. I guess that's better than some other people who claim that DeSantis will score a 49-state landslide.
I suppose that that comes down to what you feel of Trumps personality. For my money, I do think he would resist the urge. Yes, he is driven by ego and has done bizarre shit because of it. But Ego is a lot easier to read than people give it credit for, and the only way I see him pulling something like that would be if he had some trick up his sleeve to make it work.
Being a loser, who then causes even bigger losing to someone a lot of his supports actually have respect for, would destroy him, which would bruise his ego a whole lot more than just losing and then fuming in the corner. Especially if he can turn it into something that he thinks he can win on ("DeSantis was going to be a weak RINO, but I helped pull him in a more based direction folks!")
Seems to me that he's only catering to his most hardcore supporters. Besides, Trump isn't exactly a rational actor.
Tremendous. He spun it into an attack on the lying media.
I miss Trump 2015/2016. He had so much moxy. He was also a lot more tempered back then. He knew when to attack but also when to sit back and let his enemies make their own mistakes.
Trump 2016 was a novel experience where he went after the establishment and focused on real issues like draining the swamp and stopping illegal immigration.
It has been 6 years now and the swamp is stronger than ever and the border is open.
He can't say that he achieved his main goals.
He has a record now and it is not a perfect record by any means.
The Trump 2024 campaign is sadly nothing more than a bitter old man who thinks he is entitled to be President again and he is trying to recapture lightning in a bottle without realizing the conditions of 2016 don't exist anymore.
Trump's shtick has gotten unbearable. He attacks DeSantis more than the left.
We are in 2023 and what we need now from the nominee is restoring sanity, competent personnel hiring and being focused on getting key policies enacted.
Three things that are not Trump's strengths.
Trump is focused now on attacking his potential rival for the nomination and still complaining about the 2020 election.
We need to look to winning the future not impotently trying to undo the 2020 election.
Agreed. I guess most people would get jaded spending 4 years in the DC Swamp and surrounded by backstabbing traitors that Trump had to endure from his own party. I wonder if age is also a factor. Maybe he is just too old and doesn't have the patience and guile he had back in 2016. If DeSantis does manage to become a clear front runner in 2024 I hope Trump will give him his support.
What Trump does in 2024 if he loses the nomination will show us if he ever really cared about the people and country.
If he is not able to put his own ego aside for the good of the country and get behind the winner of the primary then he never was a true patriot at all.
I sincerely hope he stays at the state level. The fed is too corrupt to be fixed with one office. They'd just backstab him harder than Trump, but that's assuming he'd be able to win in spite of the "fortification" they'd be pulling to make sure he didn't.
What we need is someone who will go scorched earth. Whose goal is to burn it all down. Trump is clearly not that guy.
I am cautiously optimistic that DeSantis can beat Trump in the primaries if he stays focused on policy while Trump just foolishly smears everyone and sinks to new lows.
There is not going to be any DeSantis 2024 run, so get that out of your head. Second, the idea that Trump voters are automatically going to vote for whatever GOP nomination is wishful thinking (at best) or mental retardation (at worst). Frankly, if the GOP really are going to try and screw over Trump, you should reconsider voting for any GOP party member.
This is a very classy response that shows us what kind of primary campaign DeSantis would run if he chooses to run against Trump in the 2024 primary.
The contrast between DeSantis and Trump is striking.
Do we want the FL governor working on delivering results for the people and fighting back against Dem overreach or do we want the former President who spends his time nowadays smearing fellow Republicans and yelling that it is "disloyal" if anyone even says he should not be coronated automatically as the nominee?
Remember that DeSantis is one of them. He signed the Florida Law that hid in a stipulation that under emergencies the State can forcibly inoculate you in camps.
This is false.
The original law was passed by Jeb Bush.
DeSantis and the Florida legislature removed that authority from the government with the new SB 2006.
https://mobile.twitter.com/ReOpenChris/status/1620097069620006913
Source on Trump calling DeSantis a groomer? And if that source is lying MSM don't bother responding.
Downvotes asking for source. It's like we're back on Reddit.
Trump's own Truth page.
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/109825049366738123
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/109825055509676351
It looks like his statement is one of being incredulous than accusatory.
So, fake news.
Ridiculous that you are trying to spin this smear away.
He literally has been attacking DeSantis for weeks now.
Only fake news here is your bullshit.
He put up a scandalous picture and all but said he didn't believe it.
But that doesn't play into your Trump vs DeSantis feud that you desperately need to validate your TDS.
Eat shit and die mad.
You are a retarded Trump sycophant who refuses to acknowledge the smear made.
He is obviously being snarky and falsely insinuating that he is a groomer.
Someone denying the post would have never amplified it and retweeted it to all of his followers.
You ignore the context of Trump attacking DeSantis for weeks now.
Trump will either lose the primary in 2024 or lose the general in 2024. Either way he will be losing. He will never be President again Cope and seethe.
Silence redcoat!
Ha!
Well said.
Man, you hate the constitution almost as much as you love Trump. Who, for some reason, you don't criticize for not aborting Ivanka, even though she ewants you dead.
LOL! I made a thread mocking you regarding that exact topic, and here you are, seething that diapers... and gas stoves are no longer taxed.
While I will be disappointed as well if that is the outcome, I will note that Disney has been shutting up about culture war matters for a year. We're not there yet, but it is progress.
Which they were. Besides, female members of the Florida GOP voted for them, which proves that it's a bad idea. They want to slit the throats of men, membah?
Are you OK?