Mandate all new laws and bills can only be a maximum of 3-5 pages, that's it. Is it really that stupid that all you need to do is limit the printer so that they can't flood you with paper trying to hide things?
This was brought on from the recent omnibus bill and if it's just because they flood the system late that they keep getting things through.
It would slow down the corruption and make it easier for the plebs, but it would not fix it all, you still need to salt the earth with media among other things.
Of course, this isn't the be all, end all in stopping this mess I'm just running through which are the easiest and simplest changes you can do overnight
Best thing to do, hang one random politician outside parliament and repeat weekly until things improve.
That is barbaric and inhuman, how can you suggest that!
The obvious play is every future law must be settled by Battle Royale! We have some island we can use, place weapons and items and it's decided by which side wins on if it passes. You can surrender instead of fighting but you'll have to walk around your constituency naked as you are pelted by shit and a person rings out shame, coward and pussy behind you!
That’s outrageous!
The hangings should be daily.
... and you seriously think the people in government aren't going to make sure that "random" selection starts with Trump and works it's way onwards from there?
Too many glowies.
There's a solution that's simpler still:
Don't pass the bill.
This was supposed to be done in September but it was delayed specifically to be able to do this. The plan, all along, was to present a disaster of a bill so late in the day that it gets passed anyway, and I'm curious why the Senate at large hasn't taken umbrage at the level of disrespect that implies.
The RINOs: " But, but, my bribes and Chinese hookers/spies!"
They are all criminals and regardless of party denomination they are all on the same side.
This is the gospel truth right here.
They'll sign anything as long as it means they get to go on Christmas vacation with no delay.
Fucking pigs. Any RINO voting for it should receive zero votes come re-election time, but of course that will never happen.
Why won't Rand Paul declare for President? He's made a lot of new admirers with his grilling of Fellatio Fauci and his arguments against such "budgets."
He already did and was destroyed in 2016. I wish he would but it won’t go anywhere. His dad was our last shot and he was SCREWED by the RNC.
Sad, but true.
Given the latest vote on the budget, I'd say that he'd probably get torpedoed by the RNC again in 2024.
Not an American so speaking as an outsider on this:
From the impression I get, people would love Rand Paul as the ultimate advisor where he can instruct the next moves and how to dismantle it all
But for president, they want a wartime president to basically draw the fire and fire back while someone like Rand Paul gets everything done.
By and large Americans are idiots and vote for who they're told to by the usual suspects.
Paul always loses most of his Congressional battles but he's got good ideas.
I don't know why more Libertarian types aren't urging him to run again.
Shit . . . I'm getting pretty black-pilled about the Republic anyway.
Ah, so that is why you have good sense.
One page.
I shouldn't have to go to law school to know what a law means.
You shouldn't need a lawyer to defend yourself in court either, but the law has always been the domain of well-born hucksters deliberately complicating legal language so you need to go through the equivalent of seminary to join their priesthood. No amateurs allowed! Mere citizens have no other way to defend ourselves from the state's depredations.
While that does slightly reduce the complexity of the system and minorly inconvenience the manipulation of procedural outcomes, there are so many other problems resulting from the religion and incentives of the managerial elite. People get hung up on the arcane procedure of the facade of power, as if that is the crux of the issue when it is not even functionally power itself. It matters far less what form any system of government takes than the quality and values of the people running the system. The current ruling class of the western empire is one of the greatest forces of evil that has ever manifested and the only solutions involve absolute regime change.
Hear Hear
They will just bring back scrolls. After all a scroll is a single page.
There is no rule or law that someone with hostile intentions cannot exploit. The only way to stop them is to straight up stop them. Don't let them hide behind rule or laws.
Yeah, you see this all the time in tabletop gaming. Their creativity is infuriating.
TV Tropes calls them Rules Lawyers. One of the worst kinds of metagamers.
Pilpul
Good luck finding a printer for scrolls, they'd have to do it by hand and we know these lazy fucks can't be bothered with that!
Though it would mean all their bills will be easier to use as toilet paper...
Nah, easy enough to solve that issue. Dot matrix printers are still a thing that are (rarely) used and are functionally like scrolls. All you would have to do would be get a company to start making the paper without the little separation section. And maybe make the printers a little faster. And if you tell a company "go ahead and make a faster dot matrix printer and you get an exclusive government contract for all printouts of all government bills" you'll have it ridiculously quickly
And I'd believe they'd go that route if we didn't specify A4 paper...
It's pathetic that all they need to do is make a process boring, tedious and complicated to get away with so much.
Simplify by saying a word limit. That’s ultimately what you’re after: a limit of the size of the document. Why limit the area it can be printed on when you can limit much more easily the scope of what can be printed?
Because these fucks would do a letter per page just to waste time
And I know you're thinking 'what's stopping them making everything small so they can fit it all on 5 pages?'
Simple, they're all old fucks that can't see for shit, they try it and you could easily sneak in a line saying 'all Americans can now obtain nuclear weapons and communists are no longer citizens' and they can't risk that
Nah they don't ever read the bills.
Printing a "scroll" is actually really easy - every printer I've checked lets you manually feed paper even if it normally feeds from a tray - a useful feature if you want to print a one-off item on coloured paper, an envelope, photo paper, etc. Since the printer just has to pull the paper past the print head one row at a time, it doesn't matter how many rows there are so long as the software supports non-standard paper sizes.
The only real solution stars with deporting leftists and deny them re entry, securing the borders with force, and requiring literacy tests to vote (and deny voting to people who aren't net tax contributors).
How come they can dominate the state so thoroughly without deporting a single individual, and you have to deport them all to even try? Seems like the underlying problem is not being addressed.
Because the right is retarded here. That's why. People still think the left can be compromised with.
The right is retarded everywhere. But I'm not sure how to solve it.
And most of what you call 'the left' is just worshipers of power. They serve the left well, when serving is safe.
The schools, but nobody listens to me.
Gen Z's voting patterns mirror those of their female masters near perfectly.
I think everyone here realizes that the schools are a problem. But it's not the underlying problem, since the products of the schools are not immediately ascending to power.
You are too obsessed with who votes what. You should be obsessed with the fact that the elites can get their way even when 'voting' goes against them.
I don't think so. I think it is possible to win an election if you reduce the enemy's control of the narrative.
I mostly don't believe in the fraud narrative. The difference between polling and results in the mid-terms is easily explained by over-optimism over what women's vote would come out as.
Sure, AZ is corrupt as shit, Kari Lake might have squeaked out a win in reality, but I don't think that the huge difference in what was expected and what happened is much more than hubris coming back to bite.
The whole focus on TERF bullshit, running women in most seats, didn't do anything for the vote totals because they don't understand women. Whoever promises them hatred is who they vote for. Look at how women are a stable voting bloc for the UK Conservatives.
Every single leader for them lately has sold out to keep that train rolling, Rishi the latest with the absurd support of Braverman's ridiculous "keep women safe" bullshit, including such gems as making it illegal to walk too close.
That security might change in the future because Labour are heavily doubling down on encouraging women's hatred.
You'll be able to "win an election", but you will not be able to get anything done, as we saw with Trump. And why is that?
Say, did you ever explain why you claimed that "women stabbed the nation in the back", even though their vote swung towards the GOP?
Considering that GOP underperformed almost everywhere, except NY and CA, I don't think there was any AZ-specific fraud. But then again, I think they legally rigged the election as in 2020.
One wonders how you shoehorn all your betes noires into the conversation.
Didn't I tell you that you would turn on Rishi almost instantly? I guess now you can use his wife or whoever she was as 'puppeteering' him.
Say, you claim that "women" are against troons, and yet Labour is so pro-troon that it refuses to say that only women have a cervix. So by your standards, Labour is heroically standing against the woman menace.
Because he didn't clear out the previous "women are indisputably better than men" admin's trash.
Because a three point swing when inflation is 10% doesn't exactly show they care about others. They cared more about killing babies.
They were just too optimistic.
I wanted to give him a chance. I did and he disappointed.
You still think that's a real fight?
The actual trannies might be in a real one, but the two sides of policy certainly aren't.
https://communities.win/c/feminism/p/16ZX7ykVpm/nothing-illustrates-how-pointles/c
In two months? You are literally insane.
If we cloned you right now, and put your clone in that position, you'd be "disappointed" by yourself. There is simply no pleasing you.
LOL @ you citing Proudman.
Make a rule that any bill must be introduced by dropping it from a height of thirty feet onto the head of the author.
I thought this was gonna be about a guillotine
Take the bill's # of pages, divide by whatever arbitrary limit is imposed, and then they pass that many bills instead. This kind of thinking that you're somehow going to get politicians to act with our best interests at heart by coming up with rules or laws is ridiculous.
Imagine walking up to soddom and gamorrah and saying that you're pretty sure you can turn this all around by imposing some bureaucratic imposition on the length of the papers the politicians are writing.
So that I'm not misconstruing, say for the recent omnibus bill, since that's around a thousand pages, if the limit was 5 pages they'd have to pass it 200 times to get everything through?
Yes, and they would have no problems doing so.
The citizenry & journalists would make a bunch of articles about how wrong what they're doing is and no one likes it, and then they would just do it.
Just as it happens now.
Probably true but maybe we at least slow them down and inflict a kind of torture on them doing it.
Imagine having to vote 200 times just to pass one bill especially if you know there's one guy that would LOVE to fuck around for another payoff..
They don't have jobs that require their attention outside of congress. They would be more than happy to sit there and say "aye" for as long as it takes if what they are saying "aye" to is "I continue to have power" and "we run the money printer for what I want".
They would just stop televising these sessions, and just lie to us. You think you can use logic and bureaucracy to bind the actions of these people, it won't ever work, especially when we don't own the bureaucracy that would be needed to even try to put this imposition on them.
You seem to still be operating under some sort of reasoning like "I pay their (the politicians) salary! (and thus have some sort of control/power/sovereignty)". It's a nonsense frame to exist within, IMO.
Even if, we'd have 3 page bills on "fuck the citizen" that would still pass because no one is going to do anything about it.
To protect freedom in large federations you need to completely ban the larger entity giving money to the constituent parts, at least unequally. That's how bribes are distributed and pressure is leveraged for control.
Alternatively, every member state automatically gets an equal amount of funding on every cycle, unless they vote to reduce their own funding to redistribute to another member. (in states of emergency or whatever)
Some bills would be too complicated to have in just a few pages.
Then multiple bills, pass each one on a certain issue and topic, break them down to each component. I'm through giving the benefit of the doubt of 'this is a complex issue, that's why we made this a thousand pages to go through each issue'
That is entirely the point you stupid foreigner.
Except that it would not stop them from passing complicated laws, they would just be truncated and (perhaps) worse, you stupid foreigner.
Fuck off Tony, you ain't no American.
Always wondered why people don't speak English when I go outside. Now I know why.
This is correct. In some cases (though by no means all), this would lead to more trouble than it's worth. E.g. if you leave out definitions or specifics, it doesn't mean that there will be no definition or specifics, but that someone else will decide.
Most laws are a phrase or two, maybe a paragraph at most. And then seven thousand pages of case law and refining definitions.
"A purchasing contract is an agreement to provide a good or service from one party to another in exchange for a good, service, or currency in return."
Transforms into basically the entirety of tort law as a system. What if you buy as a third party, what if a third party is injured, what if this, what if that, until that simple one-phrase definition is a whole school of law.
...And then because each of those add-ons needed a court case, The People demand the laws be more comprehensive at the start, and you're back where you started with bloated bills.