Fraud is definitely the big one, though I do wonder about age as well.
It's a pretty well known fact that Florida has a higher average age than the rest of America, and that there is also a correlation of as age progresses the more likely a person is to shift towards the right. So when this says "advanced degrees", how many of those are people who got said degrees more than 10 years ago?
But a lack of fraud/more stringent voting security is probably the big one.
You must count early if you have early voting and then after the election closes publish the daily totals for each day, so Florida is doing that right.
This way a concerned citizen could vote early, stick around the poll and oversee it's run fairly, and watch the daily counting after. This is the only way people can ensure the vote is counted correctly other than sleeping outside the vault (ha ha) padlocked closet containing the uncounted votes. In fact the parties and media will ensure there's people there overseeing the counts so they get early indicators and that the counts aren't changed later.
Otherwise the number of early votes is a lower bound on cheating - nobody can know whether they are real votes or not so they might as well be cheated votes.
Of course the implication of this is don't have early voting so the media can't have a daily running count that influences later voters. Maybe call it an election "day".
Then why is it that these states in particular, all swing states where the result is most important to who has won power all have these rules so it takes a week after the election to do it while everyone else gets the results on election night?
That seems way too much of a coincidence more like it was engineered that way after 2016. As I've said previously, of every other country on earth can do it so that it appears done in one day, the fuck does it say about the state of the US right now?
Not endorsing the idea of fraud, but fraud isn't just pulling something shifty and hoping the other guy doesn't notice. Successful frauds are hard to detect by design. Measures and countermeasures. More time means more opportunity to get it right. The allegation is not that some doofus is printing off a bazillion extra ballots and throwing them onto the pile. The allegation is than some smart people have time to analyze the math (partial returns) and engineer a fix that is not statistically obvious. You can argue this is not happening, but it would be silly to say that it is impossible.
EDIT (Reason: Brain fart): Left out the answer to your question. Slowing results gives a would-be-fraudster time to work because it limits the flow of information and allows fine tuning. Think of it more like a PID control system; if you don't have to make a one shot correction, why would you? Tune the fix as the data comes in.
Not endorsing the idea of fraud, but fraud isn't just pulling something shifty and hoping the other guy doesn't notice. Successful frauds are hard to detect by design.
Absolutely. Isn't that why it's impossible to absolutely demonstrate fraud in Chicago in the 1960 presidential? However, delaying an election count until freaking CHRISTMAS sort of beats the "hard to detect" part.
When Brazil can count all ballots in a day, what excuse does Arizona have?
The allegation is than some smart people have time to analyze the math (partial returns) and engineer a fix that is not statistically obvious. You can argue this is not happening, but it would be silly to say that it is impossible.
Nothing is impossible. However, if I wanted to conduct fraud, I wouldn't do it like this. This seems like the dumbest way to do it - in a way that even if you are not committing fraud, everyone thinks that you are.
Slowing results gives a would-be-fraudster time to work because it limits the flow of information and allows fine tuning. Think of it more like a PID control system; if you don't have to make a one shot correction, why would you? Tune the fix as the data comes in.
Makes sense. But if you do it like that, everyone will suspect fraud. Hell, even though I don't believe in fraud making a meaningful difference, next time someone here (in Europe) complains about BLUMPF alleging fraud, I'm going to answer: hey, how come the richest country in the world takes weeks to count ballots when third world countries do it in a day?
Because have you seen the state of the administration and left in general? They are useless egotistical tyrants that throw things when they don't get their way.
The only reason they are getting away with it is the GOP leadership at large is enabling them to get away with it, why? Because they think if they do badly enough in the midterms they will dent or even stop a Trump run.
That's how retarded this whole thing is, it's like cutting off your leg to stop yourself driving your boss to a meeting before the guy that wants to bankrupt your business.
My favorite part about Florida having a top-tier voting system is that it was installed in a bipartisan way, especially urged by Democrats, after the 2000 election laughingstock.
Back then they still were interested in getting real votes instead of just creating them out of thin air.
Watching conservatives talk about anything other than election integrity right now is honestly embarrassing. This election had nothing to do with “candidate quality” or GOP messaging or even roe v wade. It was all about democrats normalizing and even codifying numerous vectors for blatant fraud in our elections.
If your election features one or more of following:
mail-in voting
electronic voting
drop box voting
harvested ballots
voting without valid ID
counting after Election Day
outdated voter registration
precincts reporting at different times
then your election is de facto invalid. The appearance of impropriety is impropriety. People who actively hate each other and promote mutually exclusive worldviews have no reason to turn around and magically trust each other with these idiotic “honor system” voting practices.
Republicans shouldn't have to run once in a generation political talents to just barely squeeze out wins against ugly brain damaged communists who promise to empty the prisons if you elect them.
I disagree about candidate quality. The low-quality candidates tell you something about the GOP. They are not serious about fixing things, including the fraud.
How do you typically evaluate the quality of candidates?
You see if they win their elections.
If the elections are rigged, how can you even begin to evaluate the candidates? It literally doesn’t matter who you run when your opponents control the voting. Democrats won with a brain damaged stroke victim and an actual dead guy. Because our elections are bullshit.
How do you typically evaluate the quality of candidates?
You see if they win their elections.
No, it is how well they serve their voters. Winning elections in the first place is only part of that. The GOP isn't choosing candidates like Walker and Dr. Poz because they're just going to be super duper good dudes who will dutifully and competently look out for us. They are chosen because one is an idiot and the other a grifter. They will be strung along to serve whatever special interests recruited and funded them.
And no, it's not "blackpilled" to lose faith in the GOP.
I mean expertise IS problem space specific, and expert-pride outside the confnes of the expert's domaign is highly unwarranted; but we all get older, and some of us get knocked around enough to Stop Being Dumb Eggheads. The arrogance usually remains - i.e. mine did - but so does the crippling debt; so no need to be jellie, brah.
one factor might be people seeing through the bs. The harder they push woke indoctrination in college, the more likely people start seeing it for the bs it is. It's hard to hold so many contradicting points of view at the same time.
Funny how when we make rules and laws about voting faggotry, that there isn't any voting faggotry and suddenly a Republican wins by a landslide in a state they barely won last time.
That even people who spent too much time in academia can see how Florida handled covid was better than literally everywhere else. Don’t fall for the astroturfed desantis vs trump stuff.
2 things:
Fraud is definitely the big one, though I do wonder about age as well.
It's a pretty well known fact that Florida has a higher average age than the rest of America, and that there is also a correlation of as age progresses the more likely a person is to shift towards the right. So when this says "advanced degrees", how many of those are people who got said degrees more than 10 years ago?
But a lack of fraud/more stringent voting security is probably the big one.
Florida had probably the MOST secure elections in the US, voted one day got results really quickly in the night. So the results are probably right
Everywhere else, put it this way, you're STILL waiting for results, that says it all.
You must count early if you have early voting and then after the election closes publish the daily totals for each day, so Florida is doing that right.
This way a concerned citizen could vote early, stick around the poll and oversee it's run fairly, and watch the daily counting after. This is the only way people can ensure the vote is counted correctly other than sleeping outside the
vault(ha ha) padlocked closet containing the uncounted votes. In fact the parties and media will ensure there's people there overseeing the counts so they get early indicators and that the counts aren't changed later.Otherwise the number of early votes is a lower bound on cheating - nobody can know whether they are real votes or not so they might as well be cheated votes.
Of course the implication of this is don't have early voting so the media can't have a daily running count that influences later voters. Maybe call it an election "day".
Then why is it that these states in particular, all swing states where the result is most important to who has won power all have these rules so it takes a week after the election to do it while everyone else gets the results on election night?
That seems way too much of a coincidence more like it was engineered that way after 2016. As I've said previously, of every other country on earth can do it so that it appears done in one day, the fuck does it say about the state of the US right now?
Even if they're using the time to commit fraud, what excuse do they have for such tardy fraud?
Not endorsing the idea of fraud, but fraud isn't just pulling something shifty and hoping the other guy doesn't notice. Successful frauds are hard to detect by design. Measures and countermeasures. More time means more opportunity to get it right. The allegation is not that some doofus is printing off a bazillion extra ballots and throwing them onto the pile. The allegation is than some smart people have time to analyze the math (partial returns) and engineer a fix that is not statistically obvious. You can argue this is not happening, but it would be silly to say that it is impossible.
EDIT (Reason: Brain fart): Left out the answer to your question. Slowing results gives a would-be-fraudster time to work because it limits the flow of information and allows fine tuning. Think of it more like a PID control system; if you don't have to make a one shot correction, why would you? Tune the fix as the data comes in.
Absolutely. Isn't that why it's impossible to absolutely demonstrate fraud in Chicago in the 1960 presidential? However, delaying an election count until freaking CHRISTMAS sort of beats the "hard to detect" part.
When Brazil can count all ballots in a day, what excuse does Arizona have?
Nothing is impossible. However, if I wanted to conduct fraud, I wouldn't do it like this. This seems like the dumbest way to do it - in a way that even if you are not committing fraud, everyone thinks that you are.
Makes sense. But if you do it like that, everyone will suspect fraud. Hell, even though I don't believe in fraud making a meaningful difference, next time someone here (in Europe) complains about BLUMPF alleging fraud, I'm going to answer: hey, how come the richest country in the world takes weeks to count ballots when third world countries do it in a day?
So, the goal of the operation is not to commit fraud, but to show to everyone that the people of the US are powerless to stop the fraud.
And what would the goal of that be?
Demoralization, which drives down participation by your political enemies.
It's straight out of Yuri Brezhnev's playbook for Communist takeover.
Yet another goal of the operation seems to be destruction of faith in democratic institutions — to replace them with what?
The Uniparty has firm control of the institutions, so why does it participate in removal of its own power?
Nations benefit very little from multinational or world government.
They're pushed towards it anyway-- so ask the WEF 'who benefits?'
Because have you seen the state of the administration and left in general? They are useless egotistical tyrants that throw things when they don't get their way.
The only reason they are getting away with it is the GOP leadership at large is enabling them to get away with it, why? Because they think if they do badly enough in the midterms they will dent or even stop a Trump run.
That's how retarded this whole thing is, it's like cutting off your leg to stop yourself driving your boss to a meeting before the guy that wants to bankrupt your business.
My favorite part about Florida having a top-tier voting system is that it was installed in a bipartisan way, especially urged by Democrats, after the 2000 election laughingstock.
Back then they still were interested in getting real votes instead of just creating them out of thin air.
Watching conservatives talk about anything other than election integrity right now is honestly embarrassing. This election had nothing to do with “candidate quality” or GOP messaging or even roe v wade. It was all about democrats normalizing and even codifying numerous vectors for blatant fraud in our elections.
If your election features one or more of following:
then your election is de facto invalid. The appearance of impropriety is impropriety. People who actively hate each other and promote mutually exclusive worldviews have no reason to turn around and magically trust each other with these idiotic “honor system” voting practices.
I agree. Almost all conservative hosts have completely abandoned this talk, but it is THE issue that lost the 2020 and 2022 elections.
Embarrassing is the perfect word to describe it.
Republicans shouldn't have to run once in a generation political talents to just barely squeeze out wins against ugly brain damaged communists who promise to empty the prisons if you elect them.
I disagree about candidate quality. The low-quality candidates tell you something about the GOP. They are not serious about fixing things, including the fraud.
I’ll try again.
How do you typically evaluate the quality of candidates?
You see if they win their elections.
If the elections are rigged, how can you even begin to evaluate the candidates? It literally doesn’t matter who you run when your opponents control the voting. Democrats won with a brain damaged stroke victim and an actual dead guy. Because our elections are bullshit.
No, it is how well they serve their voters. Winning elections in the first place is only part of that. The GOP isn't choosing candidates like Walker and Dr. Poz because they're just going to be super duper good dudes who will dutifully and competently look out for us. They are chosen because one is an idiot and the other a grifter. They will be strung along to serve whatever special interests recruited and funded them.
And no, it's not "blackpilled" to lose faith in the GOP.
Unless you can separate the degrees into "useful stuff" and "retarded commie fartsniffing" those numbers are meaningless.
I’m betting the percentage of gender studies/ struggle session degrees is vastly lower.
Handshake account come to shill and weave a narrative of some sort is what I make of this.
it means you gotta upgrade that election system atleast to banana republic level first.
He won +20 among all groups, so winning by +7 among advanced degrees is a 13 percent underperformance.
For comparison, if Trump performed like that in 2020, he would have lost them 57-41.
Basically DeSantis was just more popular with everybody this time.
Reason is those in the center liked what he did. A good candidate can swing people 5% or so.
Intelligent people without political biases have probably moved there in the last two years in significant numbers in addition to other factors.
We pros are not all stupid, I guess.
I mean expertise IS problem space specific, and expert-pride outside the confnes of the expert's domaign is highly unwarranted; but we all get older, and some of us get knocked around enough to Stop Being Dumb Eggheads. The arrogance usually remains - i.e. mine did - but so does the crippling debt; so no need to be jellie, brah.
one factor might be people seeing through the bs. The harder they push woke indoctrination in college, the more likely people start seeing it for the bs it is. It's hard to hold so many contradicting points of view at the same time.
Funny how when we make rules and laws about voting faggotry, that there isn't any voting faggotry and suddenly a Republican wins by a landslide in a state they barely won last time.
That even people who spent too much time in academia can see how Florida handled covid was better than literally everywhere else. Don’t fall for the astroturfed desantis vs trump stuff.
So there was fraud in favor of the Republicans in Florida?
To be fair, the Dem nominee appeared like he was trying to lose the election.