Blocking private jets, huh? Amusing to see this BS impact the 'important' people pushing it in some little way, but I doubt they'll learn anything beyond they need to fine tune the messaging until it only impacts the peasants.
Extinction Rebellion was also involved in the action. Hundreds of other demonstrators in and around the airport’s main hall carried signs saying “Restrict aviation” and “More trains”.
Don't care about your trains (seriously, what is it with big government types and trains?). If we can get more blimps for air travel though I'd be OK with that because I think blimps are cool.
In actuality, no. In terms of passenger-mile-gallons diesel electrics sip fuel compared to turbofans. The diesel cycle is just so much more efficient than the brayton cycle that there's no meaningful comparison between the two.
Like, that's not even controversial. It's how commuter rail can remain economical against buses.
The problem with nationwide rail is:
Atrophy of the established 19th century rail base.
Failure to develop routes to match population trends since the Eisenhower Administration.
The overall size of the country, which was always going to make coast to coast flights economical.
Extremely low average population density and long distances between the top 25 population centers.
I didn't? I was always talking about the overall efficiency of the entire system not just the fuel efficiency. I brought up diesel because these morons hate diesel in literally every other context.
Why else would I talk about the thousands of miles of track that will need constant maintenance vs an airport which is more centralized and thus simpler to maintain? They're also less flexible than air travel and automobiles.
The balance falls somewhere between the two. To achieve European or Japan like efficiency you need equivalent population. "Trains" don't replace cars... subways do. But to get to the point of subways you need incredibly high population density.
The high speed city-to-city routes continued to develop after the war because the Asian and European post war economies couldn't afford mass car ownership until the 70's or 80's.
Meanwhile the US was flying high with a postwar economy that saw basically the top 75 population centers get jet service with 707's.
To make high speed work in the US, you have to make it work between Los Angeles and San Francisco, and between Boston and Philadelphia. Until that works, there's nothing to build off of.
I don't see high speed rail being viable for the heartland. Unless we force everyone into two or three cities. It is financially inconceivable to run high speed rail between every little town out here.
The current generation of small town residents will not be replaced. They'll simply die off and create ghost towns. If a midwestern "town" doesn't now have a medical center, a community college, a proper grocery store, a Walmart, and a chain hardware store, in fifty years it'll probably be abandoned.
This will really accelerate if states institutionalize online primary education in an attempt to get in front of home schooling. In many small towns the school is the last remaining big employer.
In parallel, if a high speed network is established in the east and west coastal areas, it will begin to grow inwards to reach more top-25 cities.
A doomsday cult that seems intent on causing it, rather than just screaming about "the end is nigh" or some such nonsense. At least they were going after the right group this time, although it appears to be accidental.
Obviously, you can't allow these psychos to run roughshod, but screw the people who have private jets. They're the ones funding the psychos to begin with.
Can't be true. real climate activists would be out front preventing regular people from entering the airport while the regular jet just fly around as normal, but empty.
real climate activists would ignore all those tickets already being purchased thus not impacting the airline ag all. And there's no way the private jets or their passengers would be blocked.
It's fascinating to see the mentality of climate cultists. It is near identical to pro-covid measures people and also near identical to feminists. In all cases, the demand is for someone else to do something for them. Never for them live and let live.
I see this as the logical conclusion of near 50 years of feminist indoctrination in our schools where we are told repeatedly it's not enough for people to have freedom to live their lives. The "priviledged" are obliged to do whatever the activitsts wants, as they are the "victims". When society accepts feminist teachings as sane and logical this is what you get.
The whole time a jet is idling on the runway it's still burning jet fuel. They don't turn the engines off. This is ironically worse than blocking a highway and causing a massive traffic jam where again, drivers do not turn their engines off.
Blocking private jets, huh? Amusing to see this BS impact the 'important' people pushing it in some little way, but I doubt they'll learn anything beyond they need to fine tune the messaging until it only impacts the peasants.
I thought these protesters were just middle class trust fund kids blocking the working class from getting to work?
wow they finally found a valid target
I heard the European parliament completely excluded private jets from their emissions target. Because it would impact their leaders.
EU technocrats are a complete unelected joke.
It wasn't hard.
"Daddy, when's your flight?"
"9:30, why?"
As someone hoping to get a general aviation license, fuck these people.
Don't negotiate with terrorists.
The only change that needs to happen faster is tighter security so these faggots can't get in.
Nah, just give us the right to run through them on takeoff. The problem will solve itself. :)
They want to make homesteading impossible/illegal. Guarantee crop dusting will be banned as a "short-haul flight."
Don't care about your trains (seriously, what is it with big government types and trains?). If we can get more blimps for air travel though I'd be OK with that because I think blimps are cool.
Trains are way worse for the environment than air travel. Airports just need a few hundred acres of land for planes to land.
Train tracks require thousands of miles of track that has to constantly be maintained. Trains are also less efficient and run on the dreaded diesel.
In actuality, no. In terms of passenger-mile-gallons diesel electrics sip fuel compared to turbofans. The diesel cycle is just so much more efficient than the brayton cycle that there's no meaningful comparison between the two.
Like, that's not even controversial. It's how commuter rail can remain economical against buses.
The problem with nationwide rail is:
The nemesis of trains in America never was air transportation. It was always highways and interstates. THIS IS HOW MANY SHINKANSEN-SPEED TRAINS YOU'D NEED TO MAKE IT ALL WORK IN THE US. The cost would be in the trillions.
You need significantly more trains to compete with cars and air? Meaning they're less efficient?
Thanks, we agree. Efficient doesn't just mean fuel efficiency.
Don't shift goalposts like a leftist.
I didn't? I was always talking about the overall efficiency of the entire system not just the fuel efficiency. I brought up diesel because these morons hate diesel in literally every other context.
Why else would I talk about the thousands of miles of track that will need constant maintenance vs an airport which is more centralized and thus simpler to maintain? They're also less flexible than air travel and automobiles.
We aren't even actually arguing, we are agreeing.
The balance falls somewhere between the two. To achieve European or Japan like efficiency you need equivalent population. "Trains" don't replace cars... subways do. But to get to the point of subways you need incredibly high population density.
The high speed city-to-city routes continued to develop after the war because the Asian and European post war economies couldn't afford mass car ownership until the 70's or 80's.
Meanwhile the US was flying high with a postwar economy that saw basically the top 75 population centers get jet service with 707's.
To make high speed work in the US, you have to make it work between Los Angeles and San Francisco, and between Boston and Philadelphia. Until that works, there's nothing to build off of.
I don't see high speed rail being viable for the heartland. Unless we force everyone into two or three cities. It is financially inconceivable to run high speed rail between every little town out here.
You're correct, but there's more to it then that.
Rural counties are experiencing population loss.
The current generation of small town residents will not be replaced. They'll simply die off and create ghost towns. If a midwestern "town" doesn't now have a medical center, a community college, a proper grocery store, a Walmart, and a chain hardware store, in fifty years it'll probably be abandoned.
This will really accelerate if states institutionalize online primary education in an attempt to get in front of home schooling. In many small towns the school is the last remaining big employer.
In parallel, if a high speed network is established in the east and west coastal areas, it will begin to grow inwards to reach more top-25 cities.
Please start calling them "Death Cultists" because that's what they are.
They're a doomsday cult.
A doomsday cult that seems intent on causing it, rather than just screaming about "the end is nigh" or some such nonsense. At least they were going after the right group this time, although it appears to be accidental.
Obviously, you can't allow these psychos to run roughshod, but screw the people who have private jets. They're the ones funding the psychos to begin with.
Who has poisoned their mind like this?
Mainstream media gets more clicks for articles that say - “the world will end in 10 years”
It has always been like this. I remember NOAA was caught manipulating temperatures UP because they wanted more funding.
Can't be true. real climate activists would be out front preventing regular people from entering the airport while the regular jet just fly around as normal, but empty.
real climate activists would ignore all those tickets already being purchased thus not impacting the airline ag all. And there's no way the private jets or their passengers would be blocked.
It's fascinating to see the mentality of climate cultists. It is near identical to pro-covid measures people and also near identical to feminists. In all cases, the demand is for someone else to do something for them. Never for them live and let live.
I see this as the logical conclusion of near 50 years of feminist indoctrination in our schools where we are told repeatedly it's not enough for people to have freedom to live their lives. The "priviledged" are obliged to do whatever the activitsts wants, as they are the "victims". When society accepts feminist teachings as sane and logical this is what you get.
The whole time a jet is idling on the runway it's still burning jet fuel. They don't turn the engines off. This is ironically worse than blocking a highway and causing a massive traffic jam where again, drivers do not turn their engines off.