Elon torches Gary Kasparov
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Elon calling Kasparov an idiot isn't come impressive comeback. Elon is an admitted autist [we've all known for a long time] and himself a massive idiot, as he has recently demonstrated by pissing everyone off with his unwanted, megalomanical, and idiotic attempts to dictate terms to Ukraine and Taiwan.
At least with Taiwan, there was a profit motive to Elon Musk sucking Xi Jinping's dick: the Chinese communist party rewarded Musk's Taiwan comments by giving him tax breaks on Teslas in China. The fact that Elon Musk has put about 25% of Tesla's global production in China now, means that he is basically a pawn of the CCP. If Musk owns Twitter, what will he say when the CCP demands he censor on their behalf? That will put him in an interesting position. The thing about the CCP is, you can suck their dicks 100 times and say "no" to them once, and you're dead to them. Just ask Disney.
However, with Ukraine, he was just stroking himself off and basically saying that Ukraine ought to give Russia favorable terms, which was tantamount to siding with Russia now that Ukraine is clearly winning the war and Russia has been on the back foot for months. The war is not stalemated at present, so there is no incentive for Ukraine to stop winning.
Kasparov is Russian, but as a long-time opponent of the Putin regime I see why you would have such a problem with him. Funny how you always say you have a problem with globohomo, but in practice you actually have a problem with any and all enemies of the Putin regime.
And Kasparov is right: it isn't Elon Musk's place to tell Ukraine's government and people how it ought to fight a war or on what terms to settle. Hell, it isn't the place of the United States Government to do so.
Russia is desperate and admitting that it is losing the war. We know this because it is making dirty bomb threats and purposely trying to target civilian utilities in order to maximize the misery and hardship of the civilian population in Ukraine by only recently making hitting things like power plants and other civilian infrastructure a priority. This is reminiscent of Hitler's Baedeker Blitz: angry retaliation by the losing side. Not a surprise that Putin is emulating Hitler's failures. And so, too, will Russia's attempt to terrorize the civilian population of Ukraine fail and backfire.
Lmaooooooooo
He’s a boomer-tier retard.
Without him, no one here would be arguing for the corrupt puppet shithole non-country side. So I do appreciate having him here.
umm, yes?
See those blue areas? All land Ukraine has taken back recently.
See any land Russia took recently? No? Hmmmmmmmm.
Yeah that's why the US is so worried and trying to drop a nuclear bomb on Moscow, right? After they gave another 50 billion in capital to keep it going.
No, they're trying to drop Moon on Moscow.
Lots of schizos support Putin, apparently.
Recognizing geopolitical realities and "supporting" Putin are different things. Believing Ukraine is winning or ever will win this conflict is silly. But keep dumping billions into it so more Ukrainians can die for your belief that they can win this.
Thinking otherwise is denial of reality and delusion.
Writing "the US is so worried and trying to drop a nuclear bomb on Moscow, right" is "Recognizing geopolitical realities"?
Yes. Try to keep up.
You're beyond retarded. But please, tell us more about how this time the US supports that plucky rebel group to defeat some greater evil it will turn out fine, because it worked out so well in the past with Al-Qaeda and ISIS.
Being anti-war and recognising the evil of everyone participating isn't supporting the side you oppose, it's having a principle you don't understand.
It's not any "rebel group", despite Russians habitually calling them "militants" (and "terrorists", increasingly). It's government national forces.
In actual terms, you are correct. But let's not pretend like the narrative isn't treasting those standing against the Russians as if they're the scrappy underdog resisting the oppressive dictator, exactly the same as any other "rebel vs dictator" narrative.
But yes, it is government national forces. Government national forces filled with utterly disgusting people who have eagerly assaulted innocents that didn't want to lay down their lives for Zelensky, and have openly and clearly been fine with unironic NatSoc in the modern era until there was a modicum of actual focus upon them.
The Ukrainian Government are not good people. Russia being shitty doesn't change that reality. And it doesn't change the mountains of geopolitical history that lead up to this situation. Fuck every political actor in this entire conflict, it's that simple.
The schizo's post was ironic in the context of Russian state TV currently discussing hitting "Musk's sputniks" with nuclear weapons and other retarded plots where everyone dies (literally, that's what they say themselves): https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1584838677246533632
Honest question, does anybody in the West even know what a "win" for Ukraine even looks like at this point?
I'm serious, what are our objectives here? Restore Ukraine to her 2014 borders? Her 1991 borders - that involves retaking Crimea and assaulting a Russian naval base? The total destruction of Russia as a military power?
I'm asking because at the moment the West's objective appears to be the latter, no matter the cost in Ukrainian lives or territory - and I'm not sure the people of Ukraine would pick that one if they were given any choice at all in the matter.
There isn’t supposed to be a “win”; from the point of view of the American neo-cons steering us into this mess, it’s about cultivating another never-ending conflict they can use to launder money with. They had to get something rolling after they lost their gig in Afghanistan.
That's pretty much why I asked that question. Unending war, for the sole purpose of propping up Raytheon, is a tough sell, electorally.
Yes, very obviously:
Russia throws in the towel and agreed to pull out on terms Ukraine agrees to.
Ukraine drives the Russians out of Ukrainian territory through military force despite Russia's best efforts to stop them.
Simple as.
Defendant the innocent and the righteous against an evil, imperialistic aggressor.
Ukrainian naval base, temporarily occupied by Russia. And Ukraine has already hit it with missiles, so idk why you're pretending it's shocking to attack it.
That's pretty much already happened by this point. Russia is losing to UKRAINE, one of the poorest countries in Europe. Pretty sure the Baltic states could take Russia 1v1 at this point.
You don't care what Ukraine wants. Ukraine wants to fight and win. And it is entirely up to them. The West has no say, except to threaten to cut Ukraine off, which isn't going to happen.
OK, firstly, lobbing munitions at a naval base is not the same thing as retaking it from the invaders. One's liable to draw a rather more considerable response than the other, especially with how uncertain things are regarding Russian leadership at the moment.
Also, Russia is losing to a Ukraine that's being gifted vast quantities of munitions and training, courtesy of your taxes and mine. Ukraine might well be the poorest country in Europe; her army enjoys access to very expensive toys.
Lastly, you're right, I don't care what Ukraine wants. I care about being made to pay for it, whether I want to or not. Or, more realistically, I care because my children will end up paying for this.
Russia is already "responding" as hard as it can, and yet it's still getting its ass kicked. It's not like Ukraine cares about making Russia "mad". Bombing the Kerch bridge made Russia launch maximum escalation and retaliation. So it's already happening. Russia can't do more.
The only reason it isn't using nukes is because the rest of the world would assfuck Russia to oblivion if it did, so the Russians are making a risk/reward calculus like Hitler did with chemical weapons and not using them.
The total amount of military aid to Ukraine is something like $10b. Meanwhile Ukraine's total military budget was $6b versus Russia at $70b. Russia still enjoys a huge budget advantage even with the aid, and yet it's still losing badly.
not really. HIMARS isn't even considered expensive or high tech. It's just the STANDARD US rocket artillery. The "expensive toys" for the US are aircraft.
The money given to Ukraine of 10-20b is a tiny fraction of biden's total spending of $7t, representing something like 0.2%.
Where are your posts whining about the other 99.8%? Funny how suddenly fiscal conservatism only comes roaring out with Ukraine but not anything else.
OK, for starters, as a Brit I'm merely aghast at US federal spending rather than being directly affected by it; for seconds, what makes you think my antipathy is restricted to the matter of Ukraine?
Your own biases, and only these, have lead you to this conclusion about me. They are in error.
Tell that to all the ukrainian citizens conscripted for trying to leave to avoud a war they didn't want.
Ukraine post 2014 is a CIA puppet, and the citizens are being sacrificed to enrich the MIC and politicians.
The Ukrainian government took actions that make no logical sense without that being the rationale. Threatening Russia and cutting off water to Crimea were idiotic moves if that government was interested in preserving the Ukrainian people.
Putinbot Derangement Syndrome.
I see you have no actual reply. Nothing I said was pro russia. It was anti-war, and opposing the actions the ukrainian government took that were deliberate provications of an enemy with the capability and lack of care about collateral to destroy them.
It was either retarded, or deliberate. And assuming globalists do retarded shit instead of seeing their reasoning is how things got this bad everywhere.
Currently, liberating ever last inch of Ukraine in 1991 borders, end of Putin, war criminal trials (ICC), and the reparations from Russia. The possible implosion of Russia may just come along (and in which case Ukraine will likely want to take some too).
It's not "West's objective", it's their objective.
I see you people don't understand this, and I'm going to explain this to you as to hopefully comprehend.
You probably won't be able to find any nation more nationalistic than the Ukrainians, not in Europe at least. Ukrainian nationalism (often called "ultranationalism" and correctly so) is just incredibly hardcore and total, it's their actual religion besides their other religions (and they're extremely religious). The red and blue colors you may often see mean literally "Blood & Soil" (Ukraine's black earth).
Russians know who they fight, this is why they say "ukrainskiye natsionalisty" (and variants, many pejorative or sensationalist, as with the popular "Ukronatzisty" - the word "Nazism" itself is a neologism in Russia that was imported from the West only starting in the 1990s).
Croatian nationalism is kinda similar even if not that extreme, and they did take all of Croatia. And then they went down to Bosnia to quickly smash the Serbs also there, because of the Bosnian Croats living in Herzegovina.
Every single time I read this line I just hear Jackie Earle Haley saying "I'm not trapped in here with you..."
More seriously, if accurate, this sounds like a Ukrainian counter-attack and conquest of Russia. I'm not sure why I would even want to fund that.
The good news is, you don't get a choice!
Now less than ever, with
Klaus SchwabRishi Sunak running my country...Oooh, thats a good one. Lets make sure both sides are prosecuted. We are not going to pretend that only Russia might have done something bad are we? If the russians dont pull an america and just ignore the icc.
It's on a map on the inter webs and shows what I wish to be true, so it must be true, amirite?
Go find a map claiming otherwise. It can be any official Russian map, can be from Russian TV, can be from General Konashenkov, can be even from Strelkov before he mobilized himself. Show me this alternate reality existing anywhere outside your mind.
I can make you one in MS Paint and post it up on imgur to make it all official and shit. Would that work for you?
Why don't you just find Russian maps nad compare so you will believe then? There's literally nothing controversial about this map, it's not this stage of war, and both sides have simply an info blackout on the ongoing Kherson City showdown so not even there.
Because it just doesn't matter. Whatever the lines are today isn't relevant to the ultimate outcome. And that won't be Ukraine winning.
And what is the significance of that land? How much was lost on either side taking that land?
You're like a guy in 1943 claiming that Germany will definitely beat the USSR because Von Manstein made some advances.
No I'm like a guy in 1943 claiming that the USSR will definitely beat Germany because it stopped all German offensives, and then started to roll back the Germans with its own counter-offensives, which is exactly what Ukraine has done.
Except that in 1943 the Germans were on the march yet again, due to the USSR overextending itself in the aftermath of Stalingrad - which no doubt you know due to your knowledge of milhis.
Thee Germans were consistently losing after Stalingrad, and could do no more than a fighting retreat. Germany still achieved 4:1 kill ratios even into 1944, but that's because the Soviets were inferior qualitatively and communism treats human beings as ants to be sacrificed at a whim, so Stalin didn't really care that his forces suffered heavy casualties as long as they kept pushing. Communist China was the same way.
The big German offensive in 1943 was Kursk, and it failed badly since it was telegraphed and obvious, and the Soviets were able to fortify the shit out of the salient.
They actually retook some territory in Little Russia, but you know this.
Nor did any of the other leaders. Amazing how much you boil down to personal dispositions. It's about the fact that the system there allowed this to happen, not about subjective feelings.
And still they lost more. So I suppose that in 1943 you would be crowing "LMFAO the Russians lost thousands of tanks, way more than the Germans, they're definitely losing"
Even Russian state TV propaganda openly despairs about this, telling the viewers in clear terms that Russia won't be able to regain initiative in at minimum 2 next months of Ukrainians keeping advancing into the now "Russian soil" because they made it Russian so it's "Nazis invading Russia" and they can't be stopped.
But you retards take your news from I just have no idea where.
I don't use "news" media as a battlefield yardstick, for one. Pretending to know what the current ground game looks like from an internet armchair is silly. Even sillier is issuing daily proclamations based on whatever some newshead told you the latest front line is.
What I do know is that Russia has vastly more to lose in this conflict than the State Department manipulated NATO coalition, so once push really comes to shove, Russia will pull out the stops in a way the Western "allies" aren't willing to match. Or simply keep grinding them down until more and more people in the West demand an end to "helping" Ukraine. There are a multitude of scenarios that when gamed out, all end with Russia winning their objectives. We're playing on their turf this time and it's not going to go the way the John Boltons of the world want it to.
Consider the obvious fact that sending more billions into the Ukrainian money laundering black hole isn't going to get it done. And exactly zero NATO countries have the political stomach to send their people to die in a direct conflict with Russia.
And that's how we end up back in the geopolitical reality where Ukraine is going to lose, despite whatever day to say gains your favorite fake news host told you they might be making.
Stop encouraging them to die for no reason. It's objectively stupid to keep prolonging the inevitable.
Ukrainians should be tongue polishing Elon's shoes. Name one billionaire that has put more of his personal wealth into helping that piece of shit nation. He gave them a communication technology so far beyond what they would otherwise have. It single handedly enabled their Time on Target attacks, their coordination, their morale and propaganda. His peace proposal would benefit Ukraine to boot. The UN "Secured" elections would be rigged for the pro-globalist side. Leaving them in a better position than before the war, where eastern Ukraine had already defacto seceded.
Instead they put him on their kill lists. Ungrateful swine.
For that matter the US needs to be looting every single cultural artifact and selling them. It won't make up for the cost, but it would be a start.
Fuck Ukraine and fuck you. You are on the same side as Hunter (remember Burisma?) and Joe Biden. You are on the same side as CNN and Nancy Pelosi. You are on the same side as Chuck Schumer and Mitch Mcconell. You are the enemy.
Ukraine Delenda Est. Bring on the Nukes.
ACCELERATE
Saved for your delicious tears after the final victory.
Lol I saved this so I can rub in your face what a brainwash victim you are after Russia pushes Ukraine’s shit in within the next few months. All the territory you boomers crow about Ukraine taking back was strategically worthless farmland and cow-country basically. Russia withdrew because they felt no need to sacrifice lives to protect NOTHING- because winning a war is more about destroying the other army than taking useless land. Meanwhile the Ukrainians have lost absolutely massive numbers of men and equipment Zerg rushing the Russians. The Russians just mobilized 300k men and are massing soldiers in Belarus. The Ukrainians simply don’t have the trained manpower left to withstand the kind of storm that’s coming; it’s likely that their recent offensives were a kind of desperate final push (like the Germans at the end of ww2) to try to lash out and do enough damage to try and force a political incident in Russia and end the war through citizen discontent. Doesn’t look like it worked!
Lmao where do you even find this shit? It's not even in the Russian propaganda for the Russians, I'm really curious now.
There is no reliable information out there due to the fog of war, so people believe what they want to believe - as you do.
The overall map (not some zoomed in up details) is generally the same one map and only schizos can question it.
And even Russian state TV is bemused that, to quote, "we're supposed to be celebrating capturing 3 houses in Pervomayskoye [in the continuous crawl speed Bamut frontal attack by Wagner for several months now, currently trying to push trough a literal garbage dump] while they take 17 settlements in a day [Northern Kherson sector]".
There was some zooming in to make relatively minor gains look yuge.
All the territory you boomers crow about Ukraine taking back was strategically worthless farmland and cow-country basically. Russia withdrew because they felt no need to sacrifice lives to protect NOTHING- because winning a war is more about destroying the other army than taking useless land.
Is this true? I know some strategic locations were taken, but how much did the puppet country lose and was it worth it?
It's good that hawks are demanding a more serious war effort.
Hi, Putin shill. I hope you were paid for your comment.
Nah. They don't owe Elon a damn thing for his little virtue signaling off their backs.
Not Elon.While Elon lies and claims he is giving Ukraine shit for free, in reality Starlink is being paid FAR ABOVE RETAIL PRICES for the terminals and service provided to Ukraine. Elon just tried to get greedy and demand even more money, and then the Pentagon said it would think about it, so Elon had a tantrum on Twitter and said he would do it "for free" when he's not.
No, that is an exaggeration.
Completely false. Where there are reports that it is useful, you do not need broadband internet for a fast kill chain, which is what you think you're saying when you stupidly say "time on target". Ukraine has a lot of ways to communicate besides starlink internet terminals, and starlink is 100% not in the kill chain.
You hate Ukraine. You just wrote "Ukraine must be destroyed" in Latin. So I don't think I will be taking your opinion as to what would benefit Ukraine.
Hahahahah. Cope and seethe, COMRADE, your side is losing, and losing bad.
You are autistic. Clearly. You have mental issues. I checked your post history since you're such a Putin bot, and you sure do a lot of ranting about "da joos". Fucking weirdo.
Also No, I'm the political enemy of the Bidens, Pelosi, and Schumer, but not McConnell, as he is a Republican and on the righteous side. The simple fact is that as bad as the American Left is, they're still Americans, and thus better than Putin and his murderous thug regime you are shilling for.
You're a loser. You will always be a loser. You are destined to live out the rest of your life always coping and seething because you life so so very far detached from reality.
There is no doubt in my mind that you'd be mentally ill enough to launch a nuclear war if you had the power to do so, but thankfully people like you are not allowed to exist in civilized society. This obscure message board is the only place you're allowed to be. You're too autistic and shunned everywhere else. It's a wonder I hadn't blocked you yet.
Lol “McConnel is on the righteous side” holy shit.
No fan of Cocaine Mitch, but he bears a lot of the responsibility for the reformation of the court that led to the current relatively conservative SCOTUS.
Comrade? Are you stuck in the 1980s? Russia is not communist, and is in fact vastly more conservative than the US.
He is a bit crazy, and he shouldn't be calling you 'the enemy' for having a different opinion on that puppet non-country. That said, it'd also be nice if you didn't label everyone FSB agents, Putin bots and what not.
None of the people you call 'Putinbots' back him almost unconditionally as you seem to do any Republican. Look, I don't mind if you say that Republicans are the lesser of the two evils, or that Cocaine Mitch is a ingenious political operator and that you therefore like him.
But you take partisanship just one step too far.
He didn't propose anything that the US has not already done. Was Truman crazy?
He has said they will follow local laws, so CCP will be free to censor their users as they please. I doubt he would censor foreign users on their behalf.
https://youtu.be/skz9odeewpc
I assume he will show more backbone than Twitter did when the Biden regime asked him to censor Berenson.
lol @ favorable terms.
If you recall, I favored making peace in exchange for recognition of Crimea, Donetsk, Lugansk, no NATO and no EU (because from history I know that long wars have a far worse cost/benefit to them than short ones) which you claimed would be a 'defeat' for Russia. Now you have changed your tune. And so have I. Too many Russians have died, and Ukraine has shown itself to be far too dangerous for world peace to be allowed to continue to exist.
I don't think so. But if they were, I assume they will also be 'winning' some tactical nuclear devices.
Kasparov is a joke and a jackass. And for all your screaming of "Putinbot" at everyone, why don't you search this site for the word "Navalny" and see who is responsible for most of the submissions?
I have a problem with all friends of the Biden regime.
And yet the USG appoints prime ministers in Ukraine. Musk is not telling Ukraine, which is not a country let alone a sovereign or independent country. He is telling the USG.
Dude, do you know what country you live in? Do you know what that country did on DAY ONE it invaded the numerous countries that it did? Do you know what you did in Yugoslavia, Iraq, etc.? Do you know that your idiotic sanctions are always intended to maximize hardship for the civilian population.
So hypocritical. I'd respect it more if you just came out and said straight up that you think might makes right, instead of this garbage.,