Trump vs 'moderate Republicans'
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Trump has 95% approval among republican voters. Anyone who opposes him within the Republican Party is a fake republican.
Just looked up a recent poll from Morning Consult which ran October 8-11 and it has Trump's favorability at 84% among Republicans. Among conservatives it's 74%.
Trump isn't the Republican Party, and DeSantis is clearly better at this point. Trump might be funny, entertaining, and hood at shit talking the libs, but on policy he is mostly just a regular Republicans with a few glaring faults [his pathetic display to Erdogan, summit with North Korea, and pullout of Afghanistan, together with his socialist/liberal spending impulses]. Trump is not a fiscal conservative, is not a national defense hawk, and as a social conservative, he is deeply flawed as a serial adulterer who nobody believes lives a Godly or pious life. Trump's only plus was that he was good at throwing punches in the culture war, which is something he can do if given his own television show like Tucker. He doesn't need to hold political office.
Trump's hissy fit over the election - which was not stolen and none of his little minions ever offered the slightest of proof that it was - cost the Republicans the Georgia senate seats and handed the Democrats a Senate majority these past 2 years, which they exploited to ram through something like $7 trillion in additional spending on liberal bullshit the US taxpayer cannot afford, deepening inflation and ruining the national debt as well as the economy.
Trump's fans need to admit and accept that (1) he's a shitty politician who can't control his own ego, and who creates more enemies than friends with his vulgarity and lack of a filter, and (2) nobody is going to overthrow democracy and usher in a Cesarean dictatorship for the sake of Trump. He gave it his best on 1/6 and the best he could do was a few dozen idiots who accomplished nothing except to give the Democrats their "Reichstag fire" moment and tar the entire Right with their idiocy and criminality.
All that said, Liz Cheney is a traitor. I oppose Trump WITHIN the Right as a poor candidate. I would never side with the filthy Democrats against him, though. Liz Cheney did.
Oh, yes, we investigated none of the extremely suspicious shit (like Fulton county restarting counting in the middle of the night without informing republican poll watchers, which they've admitted to) and found nothing. Shill.
Keep in mind this dude is a Ukraine apologist and a simp for glowies. The fact that he is DARVOing January 6th just proves he is a leftist too.
He's been around for a long time, on the Reddit and here, and while he may be a bit crazy at times (e.g. he calls me an FSB agent), he is not a leftist or a glowie. I'd like it if he were less of a jingoist, but you can't go around calling everyone a federal agent for disagreeing with you.
Inb4 "you are an agent too"
Can't dissapoint you now, can I?
You are a Fed, too.
Damn! Something just never felt right in me, and now I know why!
How can I stop it? Any antibiotics course?
No, but there's the old Italian Solution Trinity... Holy water, silver... Lead.
Funniest thing about Fulton wasn't that they had a court-appointed overseer who also wasn't invited to the late-night scanfest or that duplicate groups of ballots were found in the counted ballot images, it's that the video shows observers during the day being kept in the far corner.
60 minutes in their 'debunking' even circles the observers off to the side where they couldn't see anything anyway to reassure lemmings like dekachin that the box of ballots had been put under the table while they were there so it must have been 100% legitimate at that time.
A normal, critically thinking person watching the debunking says, wait I thought the observers were actually doing something, but you're saying they actually were just herded into a pen all day long where they couldn't see anything? That makes the whole results suspect not just the after-party.
Yep. Moreover, the fact that they were real ballots doesn't mean they weren't used to defraud the count. If I save a legit bunch of ballots with the right proportion (eg 75/25 Biden) and then scan it multiple times I am "following procedures" (with just that one exception) and using "real ballots" and yet I can completely change the outcome. Nothing they ever said or did addressed this, even though the video shows them scanning the batches countless times.
Dozens of lawsuits were thrown out by Republican judges, some of whom Trump appointed himself, because they were total and obvious bullshit. There was no proof of large scale, systemic fraud.
Trump would have needed to win at least 4 more states to change the outcome of the election. The 3 closest states were not enough. The 4th state, PA, wasn't even close and Trump never even seriously tried to make a case for fraud there.
No, what really happened is that Trump just wanted to muddy the waters enough that useful idiots like you would refuse to accept the outcome, and then riot, so that Trump could intimidate Republicans into allowing him to still lead the party instead of dumpstering him because he's a fucking loser who lost to the barely alive Joe Biden.
Trump lost. You're delusional. Trump is never coming back. Get over it.
It doesn't require "large scale and systemic fraud." It requires three or four cities to commit small scale fraud, which they always do but slightly more blatant this time because no one wanted President Poops His Pants.
Absolutely there was proof of cheating at preponderance of evidence standard. You could make a case the proof wasn't up to the standard for actually lynching the cheaters like those in Fulton, but >50% of voters still believing in widespread cheating even after years of media nonstop chanting otherwise is your verdict. Guilty.
"There couldn't have been cheating because they cheated enough that he couldn't win".
What a moron.
Was there sufficient 'cheating' to alter the outcome? And if so, how come Biden improved nearly everywhere compared to Hillary.
It sounds like you are presuming democrats didn't cheat everywhere they could.
But it wasn't a uniform increase like you are implying, there were some counties for example in NC with near identical demographics and voting history for a hundred years that were off by 10 points from each other. Difference is one had dropboxes and the other didn't. Maybe there was some other difference, but that's one we know.
Personally I don't know any democrat who I am sure wouldn't cheat against Trump if they knew they could get away with it scot free, sadly even among my own relatives. The level of hatred was/is just that insane. So this seems credible that ballots were filled out for others, harvested filled out opposite of the intention, mailmen throwing out ballots they thought were Trump voters, boxes 'found' in trunks, and so on.
What's the absolute mix of every part? We'll never know, but evidence and the public opinion says it happened.
Honestly, and sadly this. I personally know people who would even excuse any cheating even if there were ironclad evidence proving it took place, they hate Trump that much.
Why then were they thrown out on procedural grounds? The case I know best is the Pennsylvania one, where there were serious shenanigans going on. Passing a 'vote my mail law', mandate that it has to be challenged within 3 months, which then is thrown out for lack of standing, and challenges later on are thrown out because the 3 months had passed.
I don't believe in 'stolen' (there is no need to steal elections, it would not have mattered if Trump had won), but it was definitely rigged - by big tech censorship, big media lies, vote my mail shenanigans, everything.
Trump will win again.
You are talking about the Texas challenge to PA laws, which was rejected on standing grounds because Texas can't sue over PA laws, only PA residents can. I'm talking about the "stop the steal" lawsuits claiming without evidence that there was massive fraud on a scale able to change the outcome of the election.
I 100% agree with all that. The Democrats tried to rig the election in every "soft" way they could, the biggest example being their mass suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story, which, if the positions were reversed, would have been wall-to-wall coverage 24/7. The feds are saying they are FINALLY considering criminal charges against Hunter Biden. Again, if the positions were reversed and it was Trump Jr caught violating a bunch of laws and acting as Trump's bag man for foreign corruption, it would have been the prosecution of the decade, like a new OJ Simpson trial. Wall to wall coverage.
No, I'm talking about the Parnell lawsuit.
Well, I don't believe in 'elections', but you are correct here. Just letting him win and letting him disappoint his followers for four more years would have been vastly preferable from the POV of the regime. It is not something that they would feel the need to stage such massive fraud over as is alleged. I'm not confident in saying that it didn't happen, only that it has not been proven to such an extent to alter the outcome of the so called election.
Which, by the way, is as wrong as leaking stuff about Trump or Gaetz.
Anonymous prosecutors destroy people's reputation with no recourse or accountability. That is outrageous no matter who it happens to.
Imagine claiming to be a conservative and believing 2020 wasn’t stolen.
The quick summary of evidence for is: 1) Biden said they had the largest voter fraud organization ever 2) Pelosi trying to ban signature checks nationally signaled it was ok to fill out ballots for others 3) contested states violating their own laws and constitutions 4) mail-in is by a wide margin the least secure form of voting and easy to cheat 5) bellwethers being perfectly backwards (19/20 for the loser instead of normal 19/20 for the winner) 6) every other historic predictor also being wrong 7) actual fraudulent counting caught on video 8) lots of sworn testimony of shenanigans. 9) democrat support of lawlessness in the summer of fire.
Means. Motive. Opportunity. And strong evidence, albeit circumstantial.
If this were a person on trial any lawyer would advise their client they should really take that 20-year plea deal. And dekachin claims to be a lawyer (ha ha).
And the case for no cheating as far as I can tell is: 1) authorities accused of cheating said they didn't do it.
Am I missing something? Fill me in on your case for no cheating if you have one.
Pick one
Upvoted for an unpopular but relatively well-argued POV.
I remain by my previous position that if you think Trump should not have the nomination, the only way to do that is by him not running.
I know you are good at persuading yourself that things will not happen, like nuclear war, but "Trump will gracefully bow out if he loses" is even crazier than you can bomb Beijing or Moscow with impunity.
Trump will run unless he believes he would lose. He isn't completely stupid and doesn't want to humiliate himself, which is why he dropped out of numerous Presidential runs before 2016.
I think once DeSantis gains name recognition and momentum, the base will shift in his favor and Trump will either shift to a plan B and try to retain some hold on power and influence, or simply bow out rather than fight a losing battle.
I maintain that Trump's ideal position on the Right is to be a pundit like Tucker Carlson. Trump loves to be on TV and idk why he thinks he's too good for it now.
You really are the king of wishful thinking. The base will stick with Trump, and thank God for that, because like he promised in 2016, after a hard-fought primary that he lost he's screw over the GOP nominee.
Yeah sure bro:
DeSantis tops Trump by 8 points among Florida Republicans in new poll.
Florida is Trump's home state. Florida is the only state where both of them have high name recognition. DeSantis wins handily.
Maybe you should follow the news instead of just having blind faith.
Anyone else's home state it is?
I'll make sure to make more use of the New York Times and Wikipedia.
It is not 'blind faith' simply because you disagree with it.
No, not for that reason, but instead because you don't cite sources.
TDS is a more sure-fire indicator of faggotry than Monkeypox.
The 'moderates' of both side are supporting Trump, the only ones against him now are the corrupt and the indoctrinated. The only one who can stop Trump is him in which case then it may be Desantis to be president.
I assume that people answering the poll didn't go with assumption that supporting Trump meant supporting no one else. If they were given a clear binary option between Trump and DeSantis as president, then I think the latter would have come out on top.
I'd like DeSantis as well, but I have questions about how legit he really is (he seems made in a lab to make me love him). Also about whether he has the charisma and moderation (on economic issues) to win. Finally, if Trump loses in the primary, he'll run as a third party, or at least refuse to support the GOP nominee.
Trump-DeSantis is the only chance.
With impunity lol
Doral resort is as good a place as any to hold such an event. There probably isn't a suitable venue in the entire country that you couldn't link back to various politicians in one way or another.
Trump is the moderate...
so fake news or what
Ball busters is a great mask for completely inept at their jobs.