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Trump vs 'moderate Republicans' (archive.ph)
posted 3 years ago by AlfredicEnglishRules 3 years ago by AlfredicEnglishRules +20 / -0
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– dekachin 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Dozens of lawsuits were thrown out by Republican judges, some of whom Trump appointed himself, because they were total and obvious bullshit. There was no proof of large scale, systemic fraud.

Trump would have needed to win at least 4 more states to change the outcome of the election. The 3 closest states were not enough. The 4th state, PA, wasn't even close and Trump never even seriously tried to make a case for fraud there.

No, what really happened is that Trump just wanted to muddy the waters enough that useful idiots like you would refuse to accept the outcome, and then riot, so that Trump could intimidate Republicans into allowing him to still lead the party instead of dumpstering him because he's a fucking loser who lost to the barely alive Joe Biden.

Trump lost. You're delusional. Trump is never coming back. Get over it.

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– cartoonericroberts 12 points 3 years ago +12 / -0

It doesn't require "large scale and systemic fraud." It requires three or four cities to commit small scale fraud, which they always do but slightly more blatant this time because no one wanted President Poops His Pants.

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– fauxgnaws 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

There was no proof of large scale, systemic fraud.

Absolutely there was proof of cheating at preponderance of evidence standard. You could make a case the proof wasn't up to the standard for actually lynching the cheaters like those in Fulton, but >50% of voters still believing in widespread cheating even after years of media nonstop chanting otherwise is your verdict. Guilty.

Trump would have needed to win at least 4 more states to change the outcome of the election

"There couldn't have been cheating because they cheated enough that he couldn't win".

What a moron.

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– AntonioOfVenice 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Was there sufficient 'cheating' to alter the outcome? And if so, how come Biden improved nearly everywhere compared to Hillary.

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– fauxgnaws 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

It sounds like you are presuming democrats didn't cheat everywhere they could.

But it wasn't a uniform increase like you are implying, there were some counties for example in NC with near identical demographics and voting history for a hundred years that were off by 10 points from each other. Difference is one had dropboxes and the other didn't. Maybe there was some other difference, but that's one we know.

Personally I don't know any democrat who I am sure wouldn't cheat against Trump if they knew they could get away with it scot free, sadly even among my own relatives. The level of hatred was/is just that insane. So this seems credible that ballots were filled out for others, harvested filled out opposite of the intention, mailmen throwing out ballots they thought were Trump voters, boxes 'found' in trunks, and so on.

What's the absolute mix of every part? We'll never know, but evidence and the public opinion says it happened.

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– RaisingPhoenix 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

Honestly, and sadly this. I personally know people who would even excuse any cheating even if there were ironclad evidence proving it took place, they hate Trump that much.

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– AntonioOfVenice 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Dozens of lawsuits were thrown out by Republican judges, some of whom Trump appointed himself, because they were total and obvious bullshit.

Why then were they thrown out on procedural grounds? The case I know best is the Pennsylvania one, where there were serious shenanigans going on. Passing a 'vote my mail law', mandate that it has to be challenged within 3 months, which then is thrown out for lack of standing, and challenges later on are thrown out because the 3 months had passed.

I don't believe in 'stolen' (there is no need to steal elections, it would not have mattered if Trump had won), but it was definitely rigged - by big tech censorship, big media lies, vote my mail shenanigans, everything.

Trump is never coming back.

Trump will win again.

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– dekachin 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

You are talking about the Texas challenge to PA laws, which was rejected on standing grounds because Texas can't sue over PA laws, only PA residents can. I'm talking about the "stop the steal" lawsuits claiming without evidence that there was massive fraud on a scale able to change the outcome of the election.

it was definitely rigged - by big tech censorship, big media lies, vote my mail shenanigans, everything.

I 100% agree with all that. The Democrats tried to rig the election in every "soft" way they could, the biggest example being their mass suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story, which, if the positions were reversed, would have been wall-to-wall coverage 24/7. The feds are saying they are FINALLY considering criminal charges against Hunter Biden. Again, if the positions were reversed and it was Trump Jr caught violating a bunch of laws and acting as Trump's bag man for foreign corruption, it would have been the prosecution of the decade, like a new OJ Simpson trial. Wall to wall coverage.

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– AntonioOfVenice 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

You are talking about the Texas challenge to PA laws, which was rejected on standing grounds because Texas can't sue over PA laws, only PA residents can.

No, I'm talking about the Parnell lawsuit.

I'm talking about the "stop the steal" lawsuits claiming without evidence that there was massive fraud on a scale able to change the outcome of the election.

Well, I don't believe in 'elections', but you are correct here. Just letting him win and letting him disappoint his followers for four more years would have been vastly preferable from the POV of the regime. It is not something that they would feel the need to stage such massive fraud over as is alleged. I'm not confident in saying that it didn't happen, only that it has not been proven to such an extent to alter the outcome of the so called election.

I 100% agree with all that. The Democrats tried to rig the election in every "soft" way they could, the biggest example being their mass suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story, which, if the positions were reversed, would have been wall-to-wall coverage 24/7. The feds are saying they are FINALLY considering criminal charges against Hunter Biden. Again, if the positions were reversed and it was Trump Jr caught violating a bunch of laws and acting as Trump's bag man for foreign corruption, it would have been the prosecution of the decade, like a new OJ Simpson trial. Wall to wall coverage.

Which, by the way, is as wrong as leaking stuff about Trump or Gaetz.

Anonymous prosecutors destroy people's reputation with no recourse or accountability. That is outrageous no matter who it happens to.

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