An actual message from AIPAC. It doesnt matter what side, they own you .
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Dual Citizenship was a mistake 100 years ago, it’s a consequence now as our unified culture was ripped apart.
They boast a track record of something like 97% of their endorsed candidates winning their respective elections.
it's a conspirathy theory thstorm fags!
And yes this is from the official AIPAC youtube channel
I'm okay with being allies with Israel.
I'm not okay with whatever the fuck is going on today where we give billions to Israel and get back literally nothing in return (except, of course, bribes into politician pockets).
I'm not in disagreement at all. Allies don't let allies start shit, and allies don't steal from each other. If a nation wants peace, I want to share it with them.
That stuff you talk about that happens today ain't it, for sure.
Those countries wouldn't be friends with us regardless. They hate us for being "decadent" and Christian.
They don't hate you for being Christian. That was bullshit propaganda they fed to soldiers so they'd be more willing to drop white phosphorus onto civilians. Christians and jews are "people of the book" and therefore the muslims believe that God has commanded them to love and protect those people. It is literally against their religion to hate someone simply for being Christian.
Is the propaganda from the moorish conquest to spread the Muslim faith?
You're full of shit.
I spent most of my adult life embedded with afghans, but sure, I guess I don't know what I'm talking about. Believe centuries-old holy wars are simply about ethnic hatred.
Sure dude your afghans told you they definitely don't hate you. It probably had nothing to do with you giving them something right?
Your little anecdote doesn't negate the entire history of Islam being spread by the sword or the insanity certain groups spew about the west.
They get along with Russia because the USSR was allies with them and spread communism to the middle east and those middle easterners still look at Russia with favor because of that.
Who lived as second class citizens. Although I do agree that we should have stayed out of their business militarily unless we were going to actually take over.
Why do we need to be allies with Israel, exactly?
We've gotten back plenty btw; every terrorist attack of the last 40 years is because of our involvement in the middle east on their behalf.
I'd say every (Islamic) terrorist attack is because our politicians were short-sighted/treasonous enough to let them in in the first place. I don't think that Islam would be appeased by letting them kill the Jews first.
Wow, is that a nuanced opinion on the topic? You can't have that. You must secretly hate Jews to even consider such.
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Republicans support Israel because they actually believe that Americans should take sides with a democratic nation fighting literal terrorists. That said, I sure don't want to keep giving rich jews a bunch of US taxpayer money. They're more than capable of paying their own bills.
Democrats support Israel (grudgingly) because almost all jews in politics are Democrats, so they have a significant lobby in Congress. Ideologically, many if not most Democrats see the palestinians as an oppressed people, and Israel as the villains.
yeah man so grudging. Its not weird at all that Pelosi and Biden's kids are all married to jews or that Karmala is married to one also or that Pelosi said her father was a Shabbos goy https://files.catbox.moe/scf0lg.mp4 and Biden basically worshipping jews in this video https://files.catbox.moe/pfjzb7.mp4 . None of it is weird at all . Also it doesnt matter what the peons think when those leading the movements are all jewish aligned.
Don't get me wrong, I'll never support muslims. The Israelis could be grinding them into dog food and I wouldn't care.
What I care about is that certain folk believe it's their prerogative and duty to stick their proverbial dicks into everything and enslave the rest of us with debt. While constantly screaming about how oppressed they think they are.
So you'd be fine with Israel if the US cut off foreign aid to them right?
I'd cut off all foreign aid, period.
Me too. Charity should be a private sector thing.
Abolish most taxes too
It's not about ownership, it's about what Israel's objectives are for securing themselves in the Middle East.
I would say that Israel is an excellent tool for keeping Arab States from going fucking ballistic and blowing themselves up, and at least Israel could be useful in countering Pan-Arabism Socialism, but for the most part it's just Israel being able to pressure American politicians in getting both "Liberal" and "Conservative" governments in Israel some amount of power or security.
Being a prosperous, competent, and militarily excellent state in the Arab world is... uh... a rare commodity that each faction wants to exploit for their own reasons, but typically Israel tends to benefit from most of the exchanges despite even American Security state efforts.
Fundamentally, this is because Israel has been acting like Trump since 1949: they don't give a shit about what anyone else thinks, they're doing whatever they are going to do for the best interests of Israel first. Even in defiance or outrage of Internationalist American or European jews.
The problem is these people don't run just israel, they run the USA and every major bank as well.
Well yeah, State Syndicalism is very attractive to authoritarians. The Fabians Socialists will destroy Israel just as they will destroy the US, UK, France, and Germany because their vision of the future is an Airport: a lounge for the Platinum Pass members, and a glorified, over-priced, police-state run bus station for the proles.
I kind of agree (about every country naturally acting in their own best interest) but on the other hand I don't see why we should care if the Middle East wants to create a Pan-Arab Socialist Empire. I don't like socialism but if they do that's their business.
Trump was also one of the most successful presidents in securing peace negotiations in the region and ensuring safety for Israel. And you know who was one of the first countries to congratulate Biden on his "win"? Israel.
It's the nature of Leftism. Because it's parasitical, it can only survive through expansion, not development. This means that you either rebuff it, or are conquered by it. You can never live alongside it. If you attempt to simply distance yourself, you will discover that they need to conquer you to survive or the power-bubble bursts. This means that even a strategy of containment is death to Leftism. A Pan-Arab Socialist Empire is even more dangerous than an Ottoman one.
Also, we did need cheaper oil, and fuck OPEC.
So was the UK. So was Canada. It's not too unlikely for a country to do that when it appears that the press in that country are declaring a winner. But, don't that the Israelis are still fighting the same internationalism that everybody is. I doubt anyone here has strong feelings of support for Benjamin Netanyahu, but he was basically narrowly deposed by a Leftist coalition, led by a party that Wikipedia refers to with: "seeks to represent what it considers the center of Israeli society: the secular middle class." Along with holding ideologies such as: "Liberalism, Secularism, Anti-clericalism, Liberal Zionism, Third Way" which screams "Neo-Liberalism". The fact that they are one of the single most vaccinated countries in the world also makes me thing that these guys are WEF puppets.
To manage (((interests))) on the ground in the Middle East you mean? Everything America does in the Middle East is for Israel, America fights Israel's wars for them. Israel itself is the destabilizing agent in the Middle east.
well jews always think they're the victim when they're not. Its not America that owns Israel's debt or banks or politicians the way israel does with America.Its israel that controls the politics in America not the other way round. Its America that fights and dies in wars for Israel not the other way round .Its America that gives billions of dollars to Israel not the other way round
Ok, and? Who gives a shit. Let them fight it out among themselves and then we buy oil from the one who wins. All our intervention has done is drag a conflict that would've ended decades ago out into the current day.
In fairness, I think Israel does much more to unite Arab-Persian interests against both Israel and the US.
A strong Israel means that the Arabs and Persians can't dominate MENA like the Turks did, but it doesn't mean they won't try to unify against a perceived common, foreign, enemy. Mostly because they did, several times. They might be called the Arab-Israeli Wars, but that doesn't mean that the Persians didn't stick their dick in it too.
Correction: Saudi forces are an Arab military. They are exactly what should be expected.
Wtf is Cheney doing there? I thought we destroyed that man's whole family!