Trump 2024 would be a absolute disaster. He supercharges voter turnout against him and makes it much harder for us to win any general election.
Trump cannot get over 2020 and he won't talk about pertinent current issues in depth instead he will yell about the fraud that happened in 2020.
There is still a big group of Trump cultists in the alt media pushing the insane idea of Trump 2024.
The biggest cultists that push this are Jack Posobiec, Nick Adams, Scott Greer, Sebastian Gorka, Larry Schweikart and to a lesser degree: two people I used to like a lot: Robert Barnes and Richard Baris.
These people cannot stop pushing Trump 2024.
I am getting so sick of them pushing the same moron who let Fauci destroy his good economy, who funded Operation Warpspeed which was used to purge his supporters from so many key sectors of our country.
Trump had his chance and he failed. We must go forward with a new leader like Ron DeSantis.
He has also learned nothing from the mistakes that he made in his time as President. He has shown no ability to pick better appointees. And he still craves the mainstream media's approval, and largely ignores alt-tech and alt-media. He's also too damn old.
Trump cannot get over 2020 and he won't talk about pertinent current issues in depth instead he will yell about the fraud that happened in 2020.
It's his own damn fault for surrounding himself with swampy yes-men who lied to him, and also not dealing with social media colluding and aligning against him-- he was aware and had the power to address it, and didn't.
Now he's the left's great satan, and who they want to run.
I'd rather have DeSantis-- someone with a track record of effectiveness.
Fuck desantis, shill for romeny while your at it if you want economically ilitterate rinos. Desantis knows jackshit outside of florida and he would legitally lose most states that Trump easily wins.
Yeah voting for rinos like bush/cheney/niki and commies like biden/kamala is totslly great over an experienced businessmen like Trump who put america first. Jihn mccain loves people like you
He gave me a one day ban for asking what the crybaby above has done with his life calling it harassment. Telling someone to go suck trumps dick apparently is tamer.
However, it's not going to be anyone but Trump, and literally everyone knows it. Believe it or not, most normies don't even know who DeSantis is.
Trump will do fine, hopefully he's smart enough to actually push the establishment's shit in, rather than rely on help from establishment support the entire time. He had no real infrastructure behind him in 2016, and he's been building up the MAGA movement (mostly thanks to Bannon) into something that's tearing at the heart of the GOP, and will give him an actual fucking structure to work with in 2024.
Nobody else has that, and he hasn't passed it on. DeSantis, just to be clear, is still securing Florida for us, and it could easily go back. The reason Trump didn't lose Florida is because DeSantis cleared out Boward County's Board of Elections. That's why the media took so long to call Florida, they assumed Boward County would discover 400,000 votes under a broken water pipe somewhere.
There's no need to have this fight. Let Trump go in, and let the infrastructure he's built actually support him. After that, we can work with a DeSantis or Paul Presidency. Honestly, Paul would be better first since he's older, and DeSantis can secure more of the South.
You could be looking at anywhere between 8 to 20 years of Republican dominance, rather than risking all the momentum that Trump has by tossing it on someone else.
This is something I vehemently disagree with you on.
Trump is not a king. I am so sick of people like you insisting that he must be the nominee in 2024 and that Ron DeSantis can wait for 2028.
DeSantis must strike when the iron is hot. DeSantis's whole brand is fighting against COVID, it would be foolish for him to wait when his key strength is forgotten.
DeSantis has already helped mold Florida from a swing state into a growing Republican state. If DeSantis is the nominee, there will be another competent Republican gubernatorial candidate to keep Florida red. Broward shenanigans will not be allowed to happen again.
Trump has already shown us all that he is terrible at staffing, terrible at realizing he has made key mistakes and thus he never learns from them. Trump had his chance and he absolutely blew it.
He doesn't deserve to be the nominee in 2024.
DeSantis will definitely run against him in 2024 and he has about 1.5 years to make his case to the Republican base on why he is a better choice than Trump.
You don't understand electoral dynamics if you can actually spout this nonsense with a straight face: "8 to 20 years of Republican dominance".
There has only been one time since after WW2 where the same party won the White House three times in a row and it was Reagan 80, 84 and Bush 88.
If Trump is the nominee in 2024, he likely loses to the Dem nominee and dooms us or if we are lucky he narrowly wins and ensures that we will lose 2028. The whole idea of Trump 2024 and 8 years of Ron DeSantis after will never happen.
You don't understand electoral dynamics if you can actually spout this nonsense with a straight face: "8 to 20 years of Republican dominance".
Yeah, that was an eye roll worthy claim, LOL. It reminds me of Tim Pool predicting that Trump would win every state.
This is another thing to criticize Trump for, detaching much of the right from reality. The 2020 fraud stuff has morphed into this weird assumption that Trump is this overwhelmingly beloved figure that would have won 90% of the vote or something were it not for fraud. In reality, vast swathes of the country hate him and Republicans.
I didn't say he was a king. I said he is actually building the logistical structure to get to the White House that Ron DeSantis absolutely does not have.
If DeSantis is the nominee, there will be another competent Republican gubernatorial candidate to keep Florida red.
I don't think that's a guarantee. DeSantis is competent but he's only been in the job 3 years. Look at Bernie Sanders by contrast. Bernie was a huge threat to the Democratic machine, because he had been Vermont's kingmaker for well over a decade. The man had Vermont on fucking lockdown and he wasn't even the fucking governor. He had a major political infrastructure to rely on, and the Dems had to repeatedly screw him out of winning the nomination twice because they couldn't actually threaten, coerce, or undermine his position. He built a parallel infrastructure.
I'm telling you there's no way DeSantis's infrastructure is as good as Bernie Sanders' right now. If you push DeSantis too hard, to quickly, there's a possibility you lose Florida and POTUS.
Let DeSantis move Florida into a locked down Red state. Let him build a massive support system to fall back on to remain independent of political favors from DC. We need more governors like DeSantis, we don't really need DeSantis in the white house.
You don't understand electoral dynamics if you can actually spout this nonsense with a straight face: "8 to 20 years of Republican dominance".
There has only been one time since after WW2 where the same party won the White House three times in a row and it was Reagan 80, 84 and Bush 88.
Yeah, I do because it's that fucking serious. Who did Reagan run against? Carter and Mondale, some of the most aggressively out of touch Progressives that the party put up post-Kennedy. There's always a major right-wing blowback when the establishment pushes hard Left. The 70's Days of Rage and Inflation gave rise to Reagan. The Labour Party's Winter of Discontent and horrible coal strikes lead to Thatcher. In both cases, the Labour Party created Tony Blair to appear like a conservative Labour, and democrats pushed Clinton to harp on fiscal responsibility and a tough on crime agenda. They wore a Conservative skinsuit to fix their shit and had to purge out the Socialists.
Thing is, I don't think there's anything but Socialists left. The Democratic Party might actually fucking break apart. The Republican Party actually should have, but MAGA has begun to conquer it.
You aren't looking at the normal tit-for-tat from the 90's or 00's. You're looking at a major realignment of politics in the US. Ohio isn't a swing state. Nor is Florida. Texas probably still leans red, but California might lose several electoral votes due to population loss. Wisconsin's a swing state. Georgia and Virginia might both be too. And yeah, you are going to be looking at an absolute right-wing blow-out election in 2024, 2028, or 2032; as we did with Nixon, as we did with Reagan. The Left has pushed too hard.
If Trump is the nominee in 2024, he likely loses to the Dem nominee and dooms us or if we are lucky he narrowly wins and ensures that we will lose 2028.
I don't fucking see it. In fact, what I would see (if somehow Trump was unpopular in 2028) would be DeSantis and Paul going at him with knives out to take power from him. Most people haven't had this kind of a direct comparison between Trump years vs Biden years, and it's going to have a major effect on 2024.
Florida will be fine even without Ronald DeSantis.
Trump is toxic to independent voters and you cannot see it.
If Trump is the nominee, it means we will have an election that is close enough where election fraud can tip the scales.
The man lost in 2020 while he was an incumbent because election fraud tipped the scales.
He couldn't secure his win as an incumbent but he can as a challenger? Not a chance.
You are living in a pro-Trump bubble if you think the Democratic party is on the verge of collapse. Trump galvanizes Democratic turnout like no other.
Ron DeSantis 2024 is a much safer bet than running the man who is absolutely despised by half the country. I know people who foam at the mouth when they hear the name Trump. It is impossible to induce that same reaction if you say DeSantis.
Trump is a very weak candidate and it is beyond foolish to run him again when he is 78.
Florida will not be fine without Ron DeSantis so early, and you're crazy if you think the Dems don't want Florida back in play.
Trump isn't toxic to independent voters. Moreover, elections are mostly determined by the activation of your followers, not by the vast disinterested majority.
He couldn't secure his win as an incumbent but he can as a challenger? Not a chance.
We've already seen major movement on this front from all over the US. Most of the conditions that benefited the Dems in 2020 are already gone, laws have already been passed to disrupt previous efforts, and their strategies are already identified. I'm afraid they are having to adjust their strategy for vote rigging.
You are living in a pro-Trump bubble if you think the Democratic party is on the verge of collapse.
You should take a closer look at the party right now.
Trump galvanizes Democratic turnout like no other. Ron DeSantis 2024 is a much safer bet than running the man who is absolutely despised by half the country. I know people who foam at the mouth when they hear the name Trump. It is impossible to induce that same reaction if you say DeSantis.
He does, but the idea that DeSantis won't is asinine. People already do have DeSantis derangement syndrome, and have already started calling him "Death Sentence" for killing people with Covid, and wanting to murder gays. The same game the press played on Trump is already being played on DeSantis. His name is being dragged through the mud already. Everything done to Trump will be replicated on him, and it will be moral for people to call for his death on Twitter.
Remember, these are people that attacked Ron Paul for wanting to kill black people... who actually passed a police accountability law after the death of Sandra Bland (a conspiracy which the Black Nationalists won't stop screaming about).
Whoever runs in 2024 gets the Trump treatment: they are racist, nazi, pedophiles who are guilty of committing simultaneous genocides against: transpeople, blacks, women, mexicans, and muslims. That's 100% the case unless Jeb Bush secures the nomination.
"Moreover, elections are mostly determined by the activation of your followers, not by the vast disinterested majority."
You cannot be serious with this nonsense. You need independent voters to win certain swing states like PA and NC.
Any Republican in 2024 needs PA to win the White House. There are 550k more Dems registered in PA than Republicans, thus you NEED independents to win that state. PA is crucial and Trump makes it insanely more difficult to win PA outside the margin of fraud.
They can try to demonize Ron DeSantis all they want, it won't work nearly as well on him as it did on Trump. Trump falls for the media bait every time and his personal life failings helps confirms media lies about him in the minds of normies.
I think you are deluded about Trump 2024 to be honest.
I think your love of Trump blinds you from the current dismal chances he has.
I voted for him twice and I am moving on from him because I realize he doesn't have the capacity to win in 2024 and that even if he did miraculously win and beat the fraud in 2024, we will hit a culminating point because he has shown he cannot govern effectively. We will have shitty Trump personnel choices and he will be sabotaged again.
The activation of your voters, especially at this level where you can get many tens of millions of reliable partisan voters, is far more important than the disinterested majority, most of whom don't even vote. That's just generically true.
Now, I'm not saying that Independent Voters don't matter, but these are a very small voting block. And that's really the whole point here:
Most elections are going to have the vast majority of the votes coming from partisans. If you have 100 million people who vote for you, 85 million of that is coming from partisans. The remaining 15 million is coming from the small number of 30 total million "independents". That is true for both sides. What this means is that if enthusiasm is low for particular partisans, your block of 85 million partisans could collapse to a block of 60 million partisans, and even if you win every single independent voter, you'll have lost the election. This is why the dems harp on trying to make sure Leftists vote Neo-Liberal in order to "stave off Fascism" and make arguments about "electibility". 3rd Party Leftist votes have destroyed them, particularly in 2016. It's also why they harp on racialism to their balkanized racial-political blocs. If less than 85% of black voters voted Dem, they'd lose every national election.
This is why the increasing registration for Republicans is such an important number, those are increasing partisans, which means that you can win the election with less independent support.
For Trump's case, there's really no evidence that he's "toxic" to independent voters. The thing about independents is that they are pretty indecisive. In 2020, independents leaned towards him. But even if we simply assert that they leaned against him, there's no evidence that they were strongly against him. It's rare that independents strongly disfavor anyone. That's why Biden's numbers are utterly terrifying. Independents strongly disfavor Biden. That's outlier and a major problem for the Democrats.
They can try to demonize Ron DeSantis all they want, it won't work nearly as well on him as it did on Trump.
That's a fools claim. The magnitude of the one-sided coverage is exactly why it's effective. The media still holds power over those very normies you think Trump is toxic too, and they are absolutely going to be swayed in the exact same way that Trump had to deal with.
Yes, 100%, DeSantis is going to be declared a Nazi, and people will attack you for supporting him. Every single academic, economic, financial, political, regulatory, and entertainment institution in the US is going to unanimously agree that his a serial killing, nazi, pedophile; and it's been confirmed by science.
You are going to have to argue with your left-wing friends and family that there is no evidence that Ron DeSantis raped and ate a gay baby, because that's how the media works, and that's how people who listen to them work.
Trump falls for the media bait every time and his personal life failings helps confirms media lies about him in the minds of normies.
You've got that relationship backwards, chief. Almost the entirety of his presidency was incident after incident of Trump baiting the media to bite on silly shit that made them look crazy. Frankly, I think part of the censorship efforts was just to stop the media from reporting on Trump's every move. This was a rabid complaint by the Left about the Media.
This was actually one of the reasons I started supporting Trump. I listened to NPR one day, and the host of the show called "On The Media" (a media watchdog show) very explicitly stated that the coverage that Donald Trump was getting from the media was helping his campaign. He repeatedly advocated to the media to stop covering Trump so relentlessly. Because they failed, he declared that On The Media had an obligation to abandon objective journalism to "stop a despot".
I was very angry that a show that existed to ostensibly focus on media accountability, and had even criticized the media's cozy relationship with Obama and the politicization of the White House Press Correspondents Dinner, had now abandoned all of that to engage in an act of open partisanship, where they stand to this day.
I think your love of Trump blinds you from the current dismal chances he has. I voted for him twice and I am moving on
You voted for Trump more than I did. You sound like a Leftist infiltrator trying to start a Walkaway campaign on the right to promote a damaging primary battle with a man who isn't stupid enough to challenge Trump and risk Florida.
Desantis only did what he did because he had help from Trump. Otherwise desantis wouldve been just another youngking or romney.
Amd no he wont lose if theres no fraud. If Trump, the most popular president in history, got cheated out of a landslide via millions of fake ballots and mules what chance would desantis stand? What prevents dems from just repeating 2020 fraud on steroids against neoconsantis?
It's hilarious how he's saying THIS TIME he will drain the swamp, for real though.
Part of me hears that and is like "YES!" and another part of me is "WTF man?" But I don't see who else would do it either.
I think I've got a better analogy. We're not fighting a Cathedral, but a Star Fortress.
Trump becoming president is like seizing one entire point on the star. However, without continued support, that point can be cut off, the other points can fire on the reinforcements, and even on the point occupied by attacking forces.
Truth is, Trump got contained because the swept to power at the top with no real logistical support. Remember that when Trump announced in 2016, basically nobody was there for his announcement. He didn't have a structure, so a lot of people in that structure were naive, inexperienced, and untested.
He got persuaded to take people with more experience, and all of them were basically containment and subverters. I don't think he really believed how far they would go to fucking disrupt him. The fact that his own commanders lied to his face about troop movements in Syria is fucking galling. Barr looked like he was good. Mattis looked like he was good. Pence looked like he was good. Republicans were prepared to support those people, and they all fucking tried to cut his throat. The most reliable members of his cabinet turned out to be Betsy DeVos and Ben Carson?!!
Truth is, I think his inexperience with politics got the better of him. Despite what he managed to do: start up wall building, enact mass deportations, deregulate the economy, end the Title IX Tribunals. In reality, he didn't even have election interference legal challenges ready.
When we look at how many people were undermining him, and you consider the QAnon disinfo campaign, and you consider that the distraction on Dominion that pulled attorneys away from his the actual fucking election problems with invalid vote counts, when you consider the Chamber Of Commerce sided with Antifa. There's no way he was ready for what they did to him.
He got fucking played. The question is, what is Trump's history when people absolutely fuck him over. How does he respond?
I'm gonna bet money he's not the type of person to take it on the chin with a smile. I feel like Trump is exactly the kind of person who's going to be viscous to his enemies.
If you remember the Trump Golf Course that was built in Scotland, there was a guy who refused to sell his land, and it turned into a big scandal. I remember bringing it up to people in 2016 as a comparison of what he would be like as President (I wasn't in favor of him at the time). He did his normal Trump thing of basically belittling him in the press and in public. But the government of Scotland also changed laws to completely fuck the guy over. The guy was so zealous he was going to try and confront bulldozers. It turned into a complete shit show, but it showed Trump was more than prepared to play fucking hard ball if you pissed him off.
Remember when why that Iranian general was killed? The Iranians had been funding the war in Yemen. Their political puppet Hezbollah had been making major attacks on US aligned Syrian forces. Iranian proxies had attacked a US consulate, and scrawled the generals name on the building. The Iraqi government in Baghdad had basically succumbed to the Iranians due to diplomatic and strategic failures by Bush and Obama, it was acting as an Iranian puppet state (which would eventually lead to major protests and a near collapse of the government). The general had gone to Iraq to bribe the proxies with more money to commit more violence against the Americans. They had been increasing their attacks on shipping including seizing ships. All while both the Ayatollah, and a series of sycophants had been talking absolutely mad shit on Twitter.
So he fucking smoked the general in Iraq, and posted an American flag on Twitter. Fucking Christ.
Remember when the Taliban backed out of a peace accord? Trump's response was to drop a fucking 25,000 lbs bomb on one of their facilities.
The fact that Trump's biggest supporters on Jan. 6 were Steve Bannon and Alex Jones, tells me that I think he's starting to realize just how many people were actually fucking over him. I honestly feel like this is a guy who might not hold big grudges, but you get his attention enough to piss him off, he might just decide to fucking smash you.
That "Schedule F" thing was absolutely real, and he enacted it. All we've basically seen is that he plans to expand it. I don't doubt he's prepared to start chopping away at the establishment after they fucked him over this bad.
Guys like Trump, the guys who make it their business to look powerful, they take being made a fool of very personally.
I don't know why he's so friendly with Lindsay Graham then. Not to mention he keeps sitting down with MSM journalists who have trashed him in the past.
I don't think you're wrong. But you still need to consider that he has no political experience. I think he's learning, and he's also the type to seek revenge.
Consider that he fired Steve Bannon, but Bannon is still one of the biggest driving forces for Trump's logistics. That seems like an indication that he's learned something.
He is a paper tiger who was even afraid to fire Fauci.
You make him sound like a badass when in reality he is a man completely out of his depth.
He got played bigly and he didn't even learn anything from his mistakes.
He refuses to even acknowledge he made mistakes in the first place and he surrounds himself with the same incompetent staff that was responsible for failing at preventing the election fraud.
Nominating him again in 2024 is a terrible mistake that the right needs to be smart enough to avoid.
I don't agree with your assessment of him not learning from his mistakes as he's keeping rightists much closer (including Bannon), has claimed to use pardon powers to free Jan 6-ers (aggressive pardoning is a good executive weapon against federal courts), his "Schedule F" federal order will give him the power to remove thousands of federal employees, and I'm very confident he's the type of person to want to get revenge on those who cross him.
At this point I see Trump as negative momentum, not a positive thing at all. The left would drop literal nukes on America if he gets re-elected. This is not the direction the American people need, the country is already broken.
Trump 2024 ensures that the right hits a culminating point.
If he wins 2024 he ensures that we lose the next general election in 2028.
If he loses 2024, we are doomed with another 4 years of Dem tyranny.
Trump is a terrible choice for 2024 and I cannot believe so many intelligent people on the right are oblivious to this fact.
Trump is absolutely hated by so many people, why the fuck should we run him again when we have more competent and less hated choices like DeSantis?
Trump is a terrible choice for 2024 and I cannot believe so many intelligent people on the right are oblivious to this fact.
Jut like how there's TDS, there's also TFS (Trump Fanboy Syndrome). Also, I've noticed this trend of those on the right where they'll reflexively take the opposite position to that of the left, even when its a bad take.
Mih hated. Trumps loved by more americans. Stop buying the cnn/msnpc propaganda, you may as well believe the russia and rittenhouse hoax if tou believe that and that 2020 wqs legit.
Again if they stole a landslide from Trump, why do you think they wont do the same with smaller fry like neoconsantis?
That's ridiculous, and besides, they aren't going to drop nukes. They are going to crash the economy and abandon it to fucking China and Europe.
If Trump wins, he'll likely start slashing federal staff, so they'll probably try to do something stupid like shut down the government with strikes and even just fucking leave to take the money and embezzlements they stole. They'll make Qusay Hussein's robbery of the national bank look like a pawn shop.
Nuke san fran and los angelos for all I care. I want someone who cares about america over open border rino/neocon/progressive scum (romney/desantis/biden/pence/kamala/etc). Let the left burn down their own shitholes, im done with political correctness
It's not just not wanting Trump back, it's the fact that Trump is the only Republican that would have a good chance of losing in 2024. Caitlyn Jenner would have a better chance than him.
I want DeSantis as the nominee too but let's not exaggerate how bad Trump is.
Trump is not favored to win 2024 at all but Caitlyn Jenner would absolutely do worse than Trump because a tranny nominee loses every evangelical voter.
evangelicals voted for Trump even though he was a serial adulterer who fucked roastie porn stars. they don't give a shit about personal character anymore, they just want someone who will fight for them, and Jenner is more of a social conservative than Trump.
Not saying Jenner is a GOOD candidate, just saying that Trump made so many enemies that pretty much anyone else could do better.
Losing to fraud. Remind me again if Trump got cheated out, what hope does neocon desantis or elder or youngkin have? Why woudlnt democrats just cheat the same way?
Ewww at rino scum jenner. Let me guess you love romney, cheney, bush as well?
Second: Or old people, or middle aged people. Basically everyone that's not at a healthy weight already. Which means basically everyone. It's startling that being at a healthy weight makes you an outlier these days (at least in the US)
During a rally, Trump said that Operation Warpspeed is what Trump thinks is his greatest achievement.
I will never forget and forgive him for the vax mandate tyranny he helped bring forth.
I don't even know who this weird combo of 2020 election fraud and vaccine pimping is supposed to appeal to. Very few people question the election but not the vaccine.
The alt-media is really pushing the Trump narrative for 2024, it's disheartening.
What about DeSantis, Rand Paul, Youngkin? Even Larry Elder would be better. I really don't want Trump back.
Yes I see this too and it is very depressing
Trump 2024 would be a absolute disaster. He supercharges voter turnout against him and makes it much harder for us to win any general election.
Trump cannot get over 2020 and he won't talk about pertinent current issues in depth instead he will yell about the fraud that happened in 2020.
There is still a big group of Trump cultists in the alt media pushing the insane idea of Trump 2024.
The biggest cultists that push this are Jack Posobiec, Nick Adams, Scott Greer, Sebastian Gorka, Larry Schweikart and to a lesser degree: two people I used to like a lot: Robert Barnes and Richard Baris.
These people cannot stop pushing Trump 2024.
I am getting so sick of them pushing the same moron who let Fauci destroy his good economy, who funded Operation Warpspeed which was used to purge his supporters from so many key sectors of our country.
Trump had his chance and he failed. We must go forward with a new leader like Ron DeSantis.
He has also learned nothing from the mistakes that he made in his time as President. He has shown no ability to pick better appointees. And he still craves the mainstream media's approval, and largely ignores alt-tech and alt-media. He's also too damn old.
Well said!
Glad to see atleast some people here get why Trump 2024 is a terrible idea!
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Hahaha the Trump cult devotee reported me for this?
It's his own damn fault for surrounding himself with swampy yes-men who lied to him, and also not dealing with social media colluding and aligning against him-- he was aware and had the power to address it, and didn't.
Now he's the left's great satan, and who they want to run.
I'd rather have DeSantis-- someone with a track record of effectiveness.
Fuck desantis, shill for romeny while your at it if you want economically ilitterate rinos. Desantis knows jackshit outside of florida and he would legitally lose most states that Trump easily wins.
Okay, Trump might be poison, but can I at least enjoy the idea of the total meltdown that'll take place if he gets in again?
I know they'd just double down and Clown World would get worse, but at least it would be cathartic in the short term
True enough.
Yeah voting for rinos like bush/cheney/niki and commies like biden/kamala is totslly great over an experienced businessmen like Trump who put america first. Jihn mccain loves people like you
Raptor was promoting those rinos. Amd you believe cnn
It would be as cathartic as having sex with a 10/10 beautiful woman but as soon you orgasm, she gets to cut your dick off.
The leftist meltdown on election night won't be worth the nightmare that comes after.
I pray we can avoid nominating Trump for 2024.
Kiss Of The Spider Woman.
No. Hillary will never be president and that was the primary goal of her existence.
The hag needs biden amojnt of fraud
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Quit having double standards you lying cunt
He gave me a one day ban for asking what the crybaby above has done with his life calling it harassment. Telling someone to go suck trumps dick apparently is tamer.
Larry Elder would be fucking great.
However, it's not going to be anyone but Trump, and literally everyone knows it. Believe it or not, most normies don't even know who DeSantis is.
Trump will do fine, hopefully he's smart enough to actually push the establishment's shit in, rather than rely on help from establishment support the entire time. He had no real infrastructure behind him in 2016, and he's been building up the MAGA movement (mostly thanks to Bannon) into something that's tearing at the heart of the GOP, and will give him an actual fucking structure to work with in 2024.
Nobody else has that, and he hasn't passed it on. DeSantis, just to be clear, is still securing Florida for us, and it could easily go back. The reason Trump didn't lose Florida is because DeSantis cleared out Boward County's Board of Elections. That's why the media took so long to call Florida, they assumed Boward County would discover 400,000 votes under a broken water pipe somewhere.
There's no need to have this fight. Let Trump go in, and let the infrastructure he's built actually support him. After that, we can work with a DeSantis or Paul Presidency. Honestly, Paul would be better first since he's older, and DeSantis can secure more of the South.
You could be looking at anywhere between 8 to 20 years of Republican dominance, rather than risking all the momentum that Trump has by tossing it on someone else.
No to Trump 2024.
This is something I vehemently disagree with you on.
Trump is not a king. I am so sick of people like you insisting that he must be the nominee in 2024 and that Ron DeSantis can wait for 2028.
DeSantis must strike when the iron is hot. DeSantis's whole brand is fighting against COVID, it would be foolish for him to wait when his key strength is forgotten.
DeSantis has already helped mold Florida from a swing state into a growing Republican state. If DeSantis is the nominee, there will be another competent Republican gubernatorial candidate to keep Florida red. Broward shenanigans will not be allowed to happen again.
Trump has already shown us all that he is terrible at staffing, terrible at realizing he has made key mistakes and thus he never learns from them. Trump had his chance and he absolutely blew it.
He doesn't deserve to be the nominee in 2024.
DeSantis will definitely run against him in 2024 and he has about 1.5 years to make his case to the Republican base on why he is a better choice than Trump.
You don't understand electoral dynamics if you can actually spout this nonsense with a straight face: "8 to 20 years of Republican dominance".
There has only been one time since after WW2 where the same party won the White House three times in a row and it was Reagan 80, 84 and Bush 88.
If Trump is the nominee in 2024, he likely loses to the Dem nominee and dooms us or if we are lucky he narrowly wins and ensures that we will lose 2028. The whole idea of Trump 2024 and 8 years of Ron DeSantis after will never happen.
Yeah, that was an eye roll worthy claim, LOL. It reminds me of Tim Pool predicting that Trump would win every state.
This is another thing to criticize Trump for, detaching much of the right from reality. The 2020 fraud stuff has morphed into this weird assumption that Trump is this overwhelmingly beloved figure that would have won 90% of the vote or something were it not for fraud. In reality, vast swathes of the country hate him and Republicans.
I didn't say he was a king. I said he is actually building the logistical structure to get to the White House that Ron DeSantis absolutely does not have.
I don't think that's a guarantee. DeSantis is competent but he's only been in the job 3 years. Look at Bernie Sanders by contrast. Bernie was a huge threat to the Democratic machine, because he had been Vermont's kingmaker for well over a decade. The man had Vermont on fucking lockdown and he wasn't even the fucking governor. He had a major political infrastructure to rely on, and the Dems had to repeatedly screw him out of winning the nomination twice because they couldn't actually threaten, coerce, or undermine his position. He built a parallel infrastructure.
I'm telling you there's no way DeSantis's infrastructure is as good as Bernie Sanders' right now. If you push DeSantis too hard, to quickly, there's a possibility you lose Florida and POTUS.
Let DeSantis move Florida into a locked down Red state. Let him build a massive support system to fall back on to remain independent of political favors from DC. We need more governors like DeSantis, we don't really need DeSantis in the white house.
Yeah, I do because it's that fucking serious. Who did Reagan run against? Carter and Mondale, some of the most aggressively out of touch Progressives that the party put up post-Kennedy. There's always a major right-wing blowback when the establishment pushes hard Left. The 70's Days of Rage and Inflation gave rise to Reagan. The Labour Party's Winter of Discontent and horrible coal strikes lead to Thatcher. In both cases, the Labour Party created Tony Blair to appear like a conservative Labour, and democrats pushed Clinton to harp on fiscal responsibility and a tough on crime agenda. They wore a Conservative skinsuit to fix their shit and had to purge out the Socialists.
Thing is, I don't think there's anything but Socialists left. The Democratic Party might actually fucking break apart. The Republican Party actually should have, but MAGA has begun to conquer it.
You aren't looking at the normal tit-for-tat from the 90's or 00's. You're looking at a major realignment of politics in the US. Ohio isn't a swing state. Nor is Florida. Texas probably still leans red, but California might lose several electoral votes due to population loss. Wisconsin's a swing state. Georgia and Virginia might both be too. And yeah, you are going to be looking at an absolute right-wing blow-out election in 2024, 2028, or 2032; as we did with Nixon, as we did with Reagan. The Left has pushed too hard.
I don't fucking see it. In fact, what I would see (if somehow Trump was unpopular in 2028) would be DeSantis and Paul going at him with knives out to take power from him. Most people haven't had this kind of a direct comparison between Trump years vs Biden years, and it's going to have a major effect on 2024.
Florida will be fine even without Ronald DeSantis.
Trump is toxic to independent voters and you cannot see it.
If Trump is the nominee, it means we will have an election that is close enough where election fraud can tip the scales.
The man lost in 2020 while he was an incumbent because election fraud tipped the scales.
He couldn't secure his win as an incumbent but he can as a challenger? Not a chance.
You are living in a pro-Trump bubble if you think the Democratic party is on the verge of collapse. Trump galvanizes Democratic turnout like no other.
Ron DeSantis 2024 is a much safer bet than running the man who is absolutely despised by half the country. I know people who foam at the mouth when they hear the name Trump. It is impossible to induce that same reaction if you say DeSantis.
Trump is a very weak candidate and it is beyond foolish to run him again when he is 78.
No more boomer candidates.
Florida will not be fine without Ron DeSantis so early, and you're crazy if you think the Dems don't want Florida back in play.
Trump isn't toxic to independent voters. Moreover, elections are mostly determined by the activation of your followers, not by the vast disinterested majority.
We've already seen major movement on this front from all over the US. Most of the conditions that benefited the Dems in 2020 are already gone, laws have already been passed to disrupt previous efforts, and their strategies are already identified. I'm afraid they are having to adjust their strategy for vote rigging.
You should take a closer look at the party right now.
He does, but the idea that DeSantis won't is asinine. People already do have DeSantis derangement syndrome, and have already started calling him "Death Sentence" for killing people with Covid, and wanting to murder gays. The same game the press played on Trump is already being played on DeSantis. His name is being dragged through the mud already. Everything done to Trump will be replicated on him, and it will be moral for people to call for his death on Twitter.
Remember, these are people that attacked Ron Paul for wanting to kill black people... who actually passed a police accountability law after the death of Sandra Bland (a conspiracy which the Black Nationalists won't stop screaming about).
Whoever runs in 2024 gets the Trump treatment: they are racist, nazi, pedophiles who are guilty of committing simultaneous genocides against: transpeople, blacks, women, mexicans, and muslims. That's 100% the case unless Jeb Bush secures the nomination.
"Trump isn't toxic to independent voters".
"Moreover, elections are mostly determined by the activation of your followers, not by the vast disinterested majority."
You cannot be serious with this nonsense. You need independent voters to win certain swing states like PA and NC.
Any Republican in 2024 needs PA to win the White House. There are 550k more Dems registered in PA than Republicans, thus you NEED independents to win that state. PA is crucial and Trump makes it insanely more difficult to win PA outside the margin of fraud.
They can try to demonize Ron DeSantis all they want, it won't work nearly as well on him as it did on Trump. Trump falls for the media bait every time and his personal life failings helps confirms media lies about him in the minds of normies.
I think you are deluded about Trump 2024 to be honest.
I think your love of Trump blinds you from the current dismal chances he has.
I voted for him twice and I am moving on from him because I realize he doesn't have the capacity to win in 2024 and that even if he did miraculously win and beat the fraud in 2024, we will hit a culminating point because he has shown he cannot govern effectively. We will have shitty Trump personnel choices and he will be sabotaged again.
The activation of your voters, especially at this level where you can get many tens of millions of reliable partisan voters, is far more important than the disinterested majority, most of whom don't even vote. That's just generically true.
Now, I'm not saying that Independent Voters don't matter, but these are a very small voting block. And that's really the whole point here:
Most elections are going to have the vast majority of the votes coming from partisans. If you have 100 million people who vote for you, 85 million of that is coming from partisans. The remaining 15 million is coming from the small number of 30 total million "independents". That is true for both sides. What this means is that if enthusiasm is low for particular partisans, your block of 85 million partisans could collapse to a block of 60 million partisans, and even if you win every single independent voter, you'll have lost the election. This is why the dems harp on trying to make sure Leftists vote Neo-Liberal in order to "stave off Fascism" and make arguments about "electibility". 3rd Party Leftist votes have destroyed them, particularly in 2016. It's also why they harp on racialism to their balkanized racial-political blocs. If less than 85% of black voters voted Dem, they'd lose every national election.
This is why the increasing registration for Republicans is such an important number, those are increasing partisans, which means that you can win the election with less independent support.
For Trump's case, there's really no evidence that he's "toxic" to independent voters. The thing about independents is that they are pretty indecisive. In 2020, independents leaned towards him. But even if we simply assert that they leaned against him, there's no evidence that they were strongly against him. It's rare that independents strongly disfavor anyone. That's why Biden's numbers are utterly terrifying. Independents strongly disfavor Biden. That's outlier and a major problem for the Democrats.
That's a fools claim. The magnitude of the one-sided coverage is exactly why it's effective. The media still holds power over those very normies you think Trump is toxic too, and they are absolutely going to be swayed in the exact same way that Trump had to deal with.
Yes, 100%, DeSantis is going to be declared a Nazi, and people will attack you for supporting him. Every single academic, economic, financial, political, regulatory, and entertainment institution in the US is going to unanimously agree that his a serial killing, nazi, pedophile; and it's been confirmed by science.
You are going to have to argue with your left-wing friends and family that there is no evidence that Ron DeSantis raped and ate a gay baby, because that's how the media works, and that's how people who listen to them work.
You've got that relationship backwards, chief. Almost the entirety of his presidency was incident after incident of Trump baiting the media to bite on silly shit that made them look crazy. Frankly, I think part of the censorship efforts was just to stop the media from reporting on Trump's every move. This was a rabid complaint by the Left about the Media.
This was actually one of the reasons I started supporting Trump. I listened to NPR one day, and the host of the show called "On The Media" (a media watchdog show) very explicitly stated that the coverage that Donald Trump was getting from the media was helping his campaign. He repeatedly advocated to the media to stop covering Trump so relentlessly. Because they failed, he declared that On The Media had an obligation to abandon objective journalism to "stop a despot".
I was very angry that a show that existed to ostensibly focus on media accountability, and had even criticized the media's cozy relationship with Obama and the politicization of the White House Press Correspondents Dinner, had now abandoned all of that to engage in an act of open partisanship, where they stand to this day.
You voted for Trump more than I did. You sound like a Leftist infiltrator trying to start a Walkaway campaign on the right to promote a damaging primary battle with a man who isn't stupid enough to challenge Trump and risk Florida.
Desantis only did what he did because he had help from Trump. Otherwise desantis wouldve been just another youngking or romney.
Amd no he wont lose if theres no fraud. If Trump, the most popular president in history, got cheated out of a landslide via millions of fake ballots and mules what chance would desantis stand? What prevents dems from just repeating 2020 fraud on steroids against neoconsantis?
It's hilarious how he's saying THIS TIME he will drain the swamp, for real though. Part of me hears that and is like "YES!" and another part of me is "WTF man?" But I don't see who else would do it either.
Trump failed to drain anything the first time.
He was too afraid of Dem backlash to even fire Fauci. He is a paper tiger who won't do shit.
We need new leadership.
I think I've got a better analogy. We're not fighting a Cathedral, but a Star Fortress.
Trump becoming president is like seizing one entire point on the star. However, without continued support, that point can be cut off, the other points can fire on the reinforcements, and even on the point occupied by attacking forces.
Truth is, Trump got contained because the swept to power at the top with no real logistical support. Remember that when Trump announced in 2016, basically nobody was there for his announcement. He didn't have a structure, so a lot of people in that structure were naive, inexperienced, and untested.
He got persuaded to take people with more experience, and all of them were basically containment and subverters. I don't think he really believed how far they would go to fucking disrupt him. The fact that his own commanders lied to his face about troop movements in Syria is fucking galling. Barr looked like he was good. Mattis looked like he was good. Pence looked like he was good. Republicans were prepared to support those people, and they all fucking tried to cut his throat. The most reliable members of his cabinet turned out to be Betsy DeVos and Ben Carson?!!
Truth is, I think his inexperience with politics got the better of him. Despite what he managed to do: start up wall building, enact mass deportations, deregulate the economy, end the Title IX Tribunals. In reality, he didn't even have election interference legal challenges ready.
When we look at how many people were undermining him, and you consider the QAnon disinfo campaign, and you consider that the distraction on Dominion that pulled attorneys away from his the actual fucking election problems with invalid vote counts, when you consider the Chamber Of Commerce sided with Antifa. There's no way he was ready for what they did to him.
He got fucking played. The question is, what is Trump's history when people absolutely fuck him over. How does he respond?
I'm gonna bet money he's not the type of person to take it on the chin with a smile. I feel like Trump is exactly the kind of person who's going to be viscous to his enemies.
If you remember the Trump Golf Course that was built in Scotland, there was a guy who refused to sell his land, and it turned into a big scandal. I remember bringing it up to people in 2016 as a comparison of what he would be like as President (I wasn't in favor of him at the time). He did his normal Trump thing of basically belittling him in the press and in public. But the government of Scotland also changed laws to completely fuck the guy over. The guy was so zealous he was going to try and confront bulldozers. It turned into a complete shit show, but it showed Trump was more than prepared to play fucking hard ball if you pissed him off.
Remember when why that Iranian general was killed? The Iranians had been funding the war in Yemen. Their political puppet Hezbollah had been making major attacks on US aligned Syrian forces. Iranian proxies had attacked a US consulate, and scrawled the generals name on the building. The Iraqi government in Baghdad had basically succumbed to the Iranians due to diplomatic and strategic failures by Bush and Obama, it was acting as an Iranian puppet state (which would eventually lead to major protests and a near collapse of the government). The general had gone to Iraq to bribe the proxies with more money to commit more violence against the Americans. They had been increasing their attacks on shipping including seizing ships. All while both the Ayatollah, and a series of sycophants had been talking absolutely mad shit on Twitter.
So he fucking smoked the general in Iraq, and posted an American flag on Twitter. Fucking Christ.
Remember when the Taliban backed out of a peace accord? Trump's response was to drop a fucking 25,000 lbs bomb on one of their facilities.
The fact that Trump's biggest supporters on Jan. 6 were Steve Bannon and Alex Jones, tells me that I think he's starting to realize just how many people were actually fucking over him. I honestly feel like this is a guy who might not hold big grudges, but you get his attention enough to piss him off, he might just decide to fucking smash you.
That "Schedule F" thing was absolutely real, and he enacted it. All we've basically seen is that he plans to expand it. I don't doubt he's prepared to start chopping away at the establishment after they fucked him over this bad.
Guys like Trump, the guys who make it their business to look powerful, they take being made a fool of very personally.
I don't know why he's so friendly with Lindsay Graham then. Not to mention he keeps sitting down with MSM journalists who have trashed him in the past.
I don't think you're wrong. But you still need to consider that he has no political experience. I think he's learning, and he's also the type to seek revenge.
Consider that he fired Steve Bannon, but Bannon is still one of the biggest driving forces for Trump's logistics. That seems like an indication that he's learned something.
He is a paper tiger who was even afraid to fire Fauci.
You make him sound like a badass when in reality he is a man completely out of his depth.
He got played bigly and he didn't even learn anything from his mistakes.
He refuses to even acknowledge he made mistakes in the first place and he surrounds himself with the same incompetent staff that was responsible for failing at preventing the election fraud.
Nominating him again in 2024 is a terrible mistake that the right needs to be smart enough to avoid.
I don't agree with your assessment of him not learning from his mistakes as he's keeping rightists much closer (including Bannon), has claimed to use pardon powers to free Jan 6-ers (aggressive pardoning is a good executive weapon against federal courts), his "Schedule F" federal order will give him the power to remove thousands of federal employees, and I'm very confident he's the type of person to want to get revenge on those who cross him.
Yes, neocons and rinos are totally better, orange man bad, am i right fellow redditors!
Not sure why you replied to me instead of the dozen other comments telling people to vote for someone else...
I replied to your raptor alt as well
At this point I see Trump as negative momentum, not a positive thing at all. The left would drop literal nukes on America if he gets re-elected. This is not the direction the American people need, the country is already broken.
Trump 2024 ensures that the right hits a culminating point. If he wins 2024 he ensures that we lose the next general election in 2028. If he loses 2024, we are doomed with another 4 years of Dem tyranny.
Trump is a terrible choice for 2024 and I cannot believe so many intelligent people on the right are oblivious to this fact.
Trump is absolutely hated by so many people, why the fuck should we run him again when we have more competent and less hated choices like DeSantis?
Jut like how there's TDS, there's also TFS (Trump Fanboy Syndrome). Also, I've noticed this trend of those on the right where they'll reflexively take the opposite position to that of the left, even when its a bad take.
The moron you replied to is TDS infected, its like he crawled out of r/politics
You are afflicted with Trump Dick Sucking Syndrome.
I voted for the man twice, get the fuck out of here with accusing me of TDS?
I voted for him TWICE you retard.
I just don't want to throw the 2024 election away by nominating a 78 year old again.
You blieve the j6 hoax, rittenhosue smears, and cnn garbage (that biden legitally won and orange man bad), you are infected with tds
Mih hated. Trumps loved by more americans. Stop buying the cnn/msnpc propaganda, you may as well believe the russia and rittenhouse hoax if tou believe that and that 2020 wqs legit.
Again if they stole a landslide from Trump, why do you think they wont do the same with smaller fry like neoconsantis?
Accelerate.
That's ridiculous, and besides, they aren't going to drop nukes. They are going to crash the economy and abandon it to fucking China and Europe.
If Trump wins, he'll likely start slashing federal staff, so they'll probably try to do something stupid like shut down the government with strikes and even just fucking leave to take the money and embezzlements they stole. They'll make Qusay Hussein's robbery of the national bank look like a pawn shop.
Nuke san fran and los angelos for all I care. I want someone who cares about america over open border rino/neocon/progressive scum (romney/desantis/biden/pence/kamala/etc). Let the left burn down their own shitholes, im done with political correctness
I'm not voting Trump again. Until he disavows these clot shots, which he won't cause his ego.
It's not just not wanting Trump back, it's the fact that Trump is the only Republican that would have a good chance of losing in 2024. Caitlyn Jenner would have a better chance than him.
Ok let's not get carried away here.
I want DeSantis as the nominee too but let's not exaggerate how bad Trump is.
Trump is not favored to win 2024 at all but Caitlyn Jenner would absolutely do worse than Trump because a tranny nominee loses every evangelical voter.
evangelicals voted for Trump even though he was a serial adulterer who fucked roastie porn stars. they don't give a shit about personal character anymore, they just want someone who will fight for them, and Jenner is more of a social conservative than Trump.
Not saying Jenner is a GOOD candidate, just saying that Trump made so many enemies that pretty much anyone else could do better.
Losing to fraud. Remind me again if Trump got cheated out, what hope does neocon desantis or elder or youngkin have? Why woudlnt democrats just cheat the same way?
Ewww at rino scum jenner. Let me guess you love romney, cheney, bush as well?
No.
Shut up.
If I am not obese I have a 99.99% chance of surviving this pandemic?
Why would I take an experimental shot that shows side effects in 0.1% of people?
Maybe we should recommend young people lose weight instead?
First: How dare you
Second: Or old people, or middle aged people. Basically everyone that's not at a healthy weight already. Which means basically everyone. It's startling that being at a healthy weight makes you an outlier these days (at least in the US)
womp womp
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No.
No...?
Again, no.
I hope these new ones are ACTUAL vaccines (like polio, smallpox, hep, etc) and not the fauxvax we have today.
I totally forgot this was a vaccine thread after all the Trump talk.
Do not forget the man who built the warpspeed vaccine machine.
During a rally, Trump said that Operation Warpspeed is what Trump thinks is his greatest achievement. I will never forget and forgive him for the vax mandate tyranny he helped bring forth.
I don't even know who this weird combo of 2020 election fraud and vaccine pimping is supposed to appeal to. Very few people question the election but not the vaccine.
The new ones will be worse than the fauxvaxes.
You really think the globalists are going to somehow make a good COVID vaccine with minimal adverse side effects?
I got some beachfront property in Arizona to sell you if you believe that.
Problem is that we've never been able to make an actual vaccine against a coronavirus. Don't see us suddenly being able to figure it out now
Keep hoping