I didn't say he was a king. I said he is actually building the logistical structure to get to the White House that Ron DeSantis absolutely does not have.
If DeSantis is the nominee, there will be another competent Republican gubernatorial candidate to keep Florida red.
I don't think that's a guarantee. DeSantis is competent but he's only been in the job 3 years. Look at Bernie Sanders by contrast. Bernie was a huge threat to the Democratic machine, because he had been Vermont's kingmaker for well over a decade. The man had Vermont on fucking lockdown and he wasn't even the fucking governor. He had a major political infrastructure to rely on, and the Dems had to repeatedly screw him out of winning the nomination twice because they couldn't actually threaten, coerce, or undermine his position. He built a parallel infrastructure.
I'm telling you there's no way DeSantis's infrastructure is as good as Bernie Sanders' right now. If you push DeSantis too hard, to quickly, there's a possibility you lose Florida and POTUS.
Let DeSantis move Florida into a locked down Red state. Let him build a massive support system to fall back on to remain independent of political favors from DC. We need more governors like DeSantis, we don't really need DeSantis in the white house.
You don't understand electoral dynamics if you can actually spout this nonsense with a straight face: "8 to 20 years of Republican dominance".
There has only been one time since after WW2 where the same party won the White House three times in a row and it was Reagan 80, 84 and Bush 88.
Yeah, I do because it's that fucking serious. Who did Reagan run against? Carter and Mondale, some of the most aggressively out of touch Progressives that the party put up post-Kennedy. There's always a major right-wing blowback when the establishment pushes hard Left. The 70's Days of Rage and Inflation gave rise to Reagan. The Labour Party's Winter of Discontent and horrible coal strikes lead to Thatcher. In both cases, the Labour Party created Tony Blair to appear like a conservative Labour, and democrats pushed Clinton to harp on fiscal responsibility and a tough on crime agenda. They wore a Conservative skinsuit to fix their shit and had to purge out the Socialists.
Thing is, I don't think there's anything but Socialists left. The Democratic Party might actually fucking break apart. The Republican Party actually should have, but MAGA has begun to conquer it.
You aren't looking at the normal tit-for-tat from the 90's or 00's. You're looking at a major realignment of politics in the US. Ohio isn't a swing state. Nor is Florida. Texas probably still leans red, but California might lose several electoral votes due to population loss. Wisconsin's a swing state. Georgia and Virginia might both be too. And yeah, you are going to be looking at an absolute right-wing blow-out election in 2024, 2028, or 2032; as we did with Nixon, as we did with Reagan. The Left has pushed too hard.
If Trump is the nominee in 2024, he likely loses to the Dem nominee and dooms us or if we are lucky he narrowly wins and ensures that we will lose 2028.
I don't fucking see it. In fact, what I would see (if somehow Trump was unpopular in 2028) would be DeSantis and Paul going at him with knives out to take power from him. Most people haven't had this kind of a direct comparison between Trump years vs Biden years, and it's going to have a major effect on 2024.
Florida will be fine even without Ronald DeSantis.
Trump is toxic to independent voters and you cannot see it.
If Trump is the nominee, it means we will have an election that is close enough where election fraud can tip the scales.
The man lost in 2020 while he was an incumbent because election fraud tipped the scales.
He couldn't secure his win as an incumbent but he can as a challenger? Not a chance.
You are living in a pro-Trump bubble if you think the Democratic party is on the verge of collapse. Trump galvanizes Democratic turnout like no other.
Ron DeSantis 2024 is a much safer bet than running the man who is absolutely despised by half the country. I know people who foam at the mouth when they hear the name Trump. It is impossible to induce that same reaction if you say DeSantis.
Trump is a very weak candidate and it is beyond foolish to run him again when he is 78.
Florida will not be fine without Ron DeSantis so early, and you're crazy if you think the Dems don't want Florida back in play.
Trump isn't toxic to independent voters. Moreover, elections are mostly determined by the activation of your followers, not by the vast disinterested majority.
He couldn't secure his win as an incumbent but he can as a challenger? Not a chance.
We've already seen major movement on this front from all over the US. Most of the conditions that benefited the Dems in 2020 are already gone, laws have already been passed to disrupt previous efforts, and their strategies are already identified. I'm afraid they are having to adjust their strategy for vote rigging.
You are living in a pro-Trump bubble if you think the Democratic party is on the verge of collapse.
You should take a closer look at the party right now.
Trump galvanizes Democratic turnout like no other. Ron DeSantis 2024 is a much safer bet than running the man who is absolutely despised by half the country. I know people who foam at the mouth when they hear the name Trump. It is impossible to induce that same reaction if you say DeSantis.
He does, but the idea that DeSantis won't is asinine. People already do have DeSantis derangement syndrome, and have already started calling him "Death Sentence" for killing people with Covid, and wanting to murder gays. The same game the press played on Trump is already being played on DeSantis. His name is being dragged through the mud already. Everything done to Trump will be replicated on him, and it will be moral for people to call for his death on Twitter.
Remember, these are people that attacked Ron Paul for wanting to kill black people... who actually passed a police accountability law after the death of Sandra Bland (a conspiracy which the Black Nationalists won't stop screaming about).
Whoever runs in 2024 gets the Trump treatment: they are racist, nazi, pedophiles who are guilty of committing simultaneous genocides against: transpeople, blacks, women, mexicans, and muslims. That's 100% the case unless Jeb Bush secures the nomination.
"Moreover, elections are mostly determined by the activation of your followers, not by the vast disinterested majority."
You cannot be serious with this nonsense. You need independent voters to win certain swing states like PA and NC.
Any Republican in 2024 needs PA to win the White House. There are 550k more Dems registered in PA than Republicans, thus you NEED independents to win that state. PA is crucial and Trump makes it insanely more difficult to win PA outside the margin of fraud.
They can try to demonize Ron DeSantis all they want, it won't work nearly as well on him as it did on Trump. Trump falls for the media bait every time and his personal life failings helps confirms media lies about him in the minds of normies.
I think you are deluded about Trump 2024 to be honest.
I think your love of Trump blinds you from the current dismal chances he has.
I voted for him twice and I am moving on from him because I realize he doesn't have the capacity to win in 2024 and that even if he did miraculously win and beat the fraud in 2024, we will hit a culminating point because he has shown he cannot govern effectively. We will have shitty Trump personnel choices and he will be sabotaged again.
The activation of your voters, especially at this level where you can get many tens of millions of reliable partisan voters, is far more important than the disinterested majority, most of whom don't even vote. That's just generically true.
Now, I'm not saying that Independent Voters don't matter, but these are a very small voting block. And that's really the whole point here:
Most elections are going to have the vast majority of the votes coming from partisans. If you have 100 million people who vote for you, 85 million of that is coming from partisans. The remaining 15 million is coming from the small number of 30 total million "independents". That is true for both sides. What this means is that if enthusiasm is low for particular partisans, your block of 85 million partisans could collapse to a block of 60 million partisans, and even if you win every single independent voter, you'll have lost the election. This is why the dems harp on trying to make sure Leftists vote Neo-Liberal in order to "stave off Fascism" and make arguments about "electibility". 3rd Party Leftist votes have destroyed them, particularly in 2016. It's also why they harp on racialism to their balkanized racial-political blocs. If less than 85% of black voters voted Dem, they'd lose every national election.
This is why the increasing registration for Republicans is such an important number, those are increasing partisans, which means that you can win the election with less independent support.
For Trump's case, there's really no evidence that he's "toxic" to independent voters. The thing about independents is that they are pretty indecisive. In 2020, independents leaned towards him. But even if we simply assert that they leaned against him, there's no evidence that they were strongly against him. It's rare that independents strongly disfavor anyone. That's why Biden's numbers are utterly terrifying. Independents strongly disfavor Biden. That's outlier and a major problem for the Democrats.
They can try to demonize Ron DeSantis all they want, it won't work nearly as well on him as it did on Trump.
That's a fools claim. The magnitude of the one-sided coverage is exactly why it's effective. The media still holds power over those very normies you think Trump is toxic too, and they are absolutely going to be swayed in the exact same way that Trump had to deal with.
Yes, 100%, DeSantis is going to be declared a Nazi, and people will attack you for supporting him. Every single academic, economic, financial, political, regulatory, and entertainment institution in the US is going to unanimously agree that his a serial killing, nazi, pedophile; and it's been confirmed by science.
You are going to have to argue with your left-wing friends and family that there is no evidence that Ron DeSantis raped and ate a gay baby, because that's how the media works, and that's how people who listen to them work.
Trump falls for the media bait every time and his personal life failings helps confirms media lies about him in the minds of normies.
You've got that relationship backwards, chief. Almost the entirety of his presidency was incident after incident of Trump baiting the media to bite on silly shit that made them look crazy. Frankly, I think part of the censorship efforts was just to stop the media from reporting on Trump's every move. This was a rabid complaint by the Left about the Media.
This was actually one of the reasons I started supporting Trump. I listened to NPR one day, and the host of the show called "On The Media" (a media watchdog show) very explicitly stated that the coverage that Donald Trump was getting from the media was helping his campaign. He repeatedly advocated to the media to stop covering Trump so relentlessly. Because they failed, he declared that On The Media had an obligation to abandon objective journalism to "stop a despot".
I was very angry that a show that existed to ostensibly focus on media accountability, and had even criticized the media's cozy relationship with Obama and the politicization of the White House Press Correspondents Dinner, had now abandoned all of that to engage in an act of open partisanship, where they stand to this day.
I think your love of Trump blinds you from the current dismal chances he has. I voted for him twice and I am moving on
You voted for Trump more than I did. You sound like a Leftist infiltrator trying to start a Walkaway campaign on the right to promote a damaging primary battle with a man who isn't stupid enough to challenge Trump and risk Florida.
I didn't say he was a king. I said he is actually building the logistical structure to get to the White House that Ron DeSantis absolutely does not have.
I don't think that's a guarantee. DeSantis is competent but he's only been in the job 3 years. Look at Bernie Sanders by contrast. Bernie was a huge threat to the Democratic machine, because he had been Vermont's kingmaker for well over a decade. The man had Vermont on fucking lockdown and he wasn't even the fucking governor. He had a major political infrastructure to rely on, and the Dems had to repeatedly screw him out of winning the nomination twice because they couldn't actually threaten, coerce, or undermine his position. He built a parallel infrastructure.
I'm telling you there's no way DeSantis's infrastructure is as good as Bernie Sanders' right now. If you push DeSantis too hard, to quickly, there's a possibility you lose Florida and POTUS.
Let DeSantis move Florida into a locked down Red state. Let him build a massive support system to fall back on to remain independent of political favors from DC. We need more governors like DeSantis, we don't really need DeSantis in the white house.
Yeah, I do because it's that fucking serious. Who did Reagan run against? Carter and Mondale, some of the most aggressively out of touch Progressives that the party put up post-Kennedy. There's always a major right-wing blowback when the establishment pushes hard Left. The 70's Days of Rage and Inflation gave rise to Reagan. The Labour Party's Winter of Discontent and horrible coal strikes lead to Thatcher. In both cases, the Labour Party created Tony Blair to appear like a conservative Labour, and democrats pushed Clinton to harp on fiscal responsibility and a tough on crime agenda. They wore a Conservative skinsuit to fix their shit and had to purge out the Socialists.
Thing is, I don't think there's anything but Socialists left. The Democratic Party might actually fucking break apart. The Republican Party actually should have, but MAGA has begun to conquer it.
You aren't looking at the normal tit-for-tat from the 90's or 00's. You're looking at a major realignment of politics in the US. Ohio isn't a swing state. Nor is Florida. Texas probably still leans red, but California might lose several electoral votes due to population loss. Wisconsin's a swing state. Georgia and Virginia might both be too. And yeah, you are going to be looking at an absolute right-wing blow-out election in 2024, 2028, or 2032; as we did with Nixon, as we did with Reagan. The Left has pushed too hard.
I don't fucking see it. In fact, what I would see (if somehow Trump was unpopular in 2028) would be DeSantis and Paul going at him with knives out to take power from him. Most people haven't had this kind of a direct comparison between Trump years vs Biden years, and it's going to have a major effect on 2024.
Florida will be fine even without Ronald DeSantis.
Trump is toxic to independent voters and you cannot see it.
If Trump is the nominee, it means we will have an election that is close enough where election fraud can tip the scales.
The man lost in 2020 while he was an incumbent because election fraud tipped the scales.
He couldn't secure his win as an incumbent but he can as a challenger? Not a chance.
You are living in a pro-Trump bubble if you think the Democratic party is on the verge of collapse. Trump galvanizes Democratic turnout like no other.
Ron DeSantis 2024 is a much safer bet than running the man who is absolutely despised by half the country. I know people who foam at the mouth when they hear the name Trump. It is impossible to induce that same reaction if you say DeSantis.
Trump is a very weak candidate and it is beyond foolish to run him again when he is 78.
No more boomer candidates.
Florida will not be fine without Ron DeSantis so early, and you're crazy if you think the Dems don't want Florida back in play.
Trump isn't toxic to independent voters. Moreover, elections are mostly determined by the activation of your followers, not by the vast disinterested majority.
We've already seen major movement on this front from all over the US. Most of the conditions that benefited the Dems in 2020 are already gone, laws have already been passed to disrupt previous efforts, and their strategies are already identified. I'm afraid they are having to adjust their strategy for vote rigging.
You should take a closer look at the party right now.
He does, but the idea that DeSantis won't is asinine. People already do have DeSantis derangement syndrome, and have already started calling him "Death Sentence" for killing people with Covid, and wanting to murder gays. The same game the press played on Trump is already being played on DeSantis. His name is being dragged through the mud already. Everything done to Trump will be replicated on him, and it will be moral for people to call for his death on Twitter.
Remember, these are people that attacked Ron Paul for wanting to kill black people... who actually passed a police accountability law after the death of Sandra Bland (a conspiracy which the Black Nationalists won't stop screaming about).
Whoever runs in 2024 gets the Trump treatment: they are racist, nazi, pedophiles who are guilty of committing simultaneous genocides against: transpeople, blacks, women, mexicans, and muslims. That's 100% the case unless Jeb Bush secures the nomination.
"Trump isn't toxic to independent voters".
"Moreover, elections are mostly determined by the activation of your followers, not by the vast disinterested majority."
You cannot be serious with this nonsense. You need independent voters to win certain swing states like PA and NC.
Any Republican in 2024 needs PA to win the White House. There are 550k more Dems registered in PA than Republicans, thus you NEED independents to win that state. PA is crucial and Trump makes it insanely more difficult to win PA outside the margin of fraud.
They can try to demonize Ron DeSantis all they want, it won't work nearly as well on him as it did on Trump. Trump falls for the media bait every time and his personal life failings helps confirms media lies about him in the minds of normies.
I think you are deluded about Trump 2024 to be honest.
I think your love of Trump blinds you from the current dismal chances he has.
I voted for him twice and I am moving on from him because I realize he doesn't have the capacity to win in 2024 and that even if he did miraculously win and beat the fraud in 2024, we will hit a culminating point because he has shown he cannot govern effectively. We will have shitty Trump personnel choices and he will be sabotaged again.
The activation of your voters, especially at this level where you can get many tens of millions of reliable partisan voters, is far more important than the disinterested majority, most of whom don't even vote. That's just generically true.
Now, I'm not saying that Independent Voters don't matter, but these are a very small voting block. And that's really the whole point here:
Most elections are going to have the vast majority of the votes coming from partisans. If you have 100 million people who vote for you, 85 million of that is coming from partisans. The remaining 15 million is coming from the small number of 30 total million "independents". That is true for both sides. What this means is that if enthusiasm is low for particular partisans, your block of 85 million partisans could collapse to a block of 60 million partisans, and even if you win every single independent voter, you'll have lost the election. This is why the dems harp on trying to make sure Leftists vote Neo-Liberal in order to "stave off Fascism" and make arguments about "electibility". 3rd Party Leftist votes have destroyed them, particularly in 2016. It's also why they harp on racialism to their balkanized racial-political blocs. If less than 85% of black voters voted Dem, they'd lose every national election.
This is why the increasing registration for Republicans is such an important number, those are increasing partisans, which means that you can win the election with less independent support.
For Trump's case, there's really no evidence that he's "toxic" to independent voters. The thing about independents is that they are pretty indecisive. In 2020, independents leaned towards him. But even if we simply assert that they leaned against him, there's no evidence that they were strongly against him. It's rare that independents strongly disfavor anyone. That's why Biden's numbers are utterly terrifying. Independents strongly disfavor Biden. That's outlier and a major problem for the Democrats.
That's a fools claim. The magnitude of the one-sided coverage is exactly why it's effective. The media still holds power over those very normies you think Trump is toxic too, and they are absolutely going to be swayed in the exact same way that Trump had to deal with.
Yes, 100%, DeSantis is going to be declared a Nazi, and people will attack you for supporting him. Every single academic, economic, financial, political, regulatory, and entertainment institution in the US is going to unanimously agree that his a serial killing, nazi, pedophile; and it's been confirmed by science.
You are going to have to argue with your left-wing friends and family that there is no evidence that Ron DeSantis raped and ate a gay baby, because that's how the media works, and that's how people who listen to them work.
You've got that relationship backwards, chief. Almost the entirety of his presidency was incident after incident of Trump baiting the media to bite on silly shit that made them look crazy. Frankly, I think part of the censorship efforts was just to stop the media from reporting on Trump's every move. This was a rabid complaint by the Left about the Media.
This was actually one of the reasons I started supporting Trump. I listened to NPR one day, and the host of the show called "On The Media" (a media watchdog show) very explicitly stated that the coverage that Donald Trump was getting from the media was helping his campaign. He repeatedly advocated to the media to stop covering Trump so relentlessly. Because they failed, he declared that On The Media had an obligation to abandon objective journalism to "stop a despot".
I was very angry that a show that existed to ostensibly focus on media accountability, and had even criticized the media's cozy relationship with Obama and the politicization of the White House Press Correspondents Dinner, had now abandoned all of that to engage in an act of open partisanship, where they stand to this day.
You voted for Trump more than I did. You sound like a Leftist infiltrator trying to start a Walkaway campaign on the right to promote a damaging primary battle with a man who isn't stupid enough to challenge Trump and risk Florida.