The common accusation, here and everywhere else, is that people only develop a negative opinion of Jews via exposure to extremist hate communities like /pol and stormfront. How then to explain people like me, who have never visited such spaces? I came to my JQ opinions purely by listening to Jewish people run their mouths about precisely what they were trying to do. So to me, most of the people here are saying "don't believe your lying ears/eyes".
It mirrors the dismissals surrounding gamergate, really. Feminists crowed very publicly about their intentions to fundamentally change the industry. All we did was repeat their boasts with a negative framing, and the mainstream told us we were crazy for essentially repeating what they said.
This gaslighting is what I see in most spaces whenever the JQ arises. You could simply quote Jewish people all day, and most people would unironically call you a bigot and a conspiracy theorist. Meanwhile, you're just holding mirror. You're just reading their articles, their tweets, their comments, and framing them as negative rather than positive. For that, you're a monster.
Insofar as "everything is the jews' fault", it's hilarious to see people here pretending like they haven't propped up their own preferred singular group as responsible for all of the problems. And even though you can easily connect virtually all of these groups to the Jews, I still don't blame "the Jews" for everything. They are just another thread running through this current offensive. The Left is a coalition, after all. I'm comfortable diversifying my blame.
its not even anti jew a lot of it is just pointing out the a certain ethnic group is just disproportionately represented in some things more its just reality
Yeah it's mostly pointing out the "hate facts" that people would rather ignore. I would prefer if people stick to pointing out the truth more than anything as well.
When it comes to certain topics you get the "celebration paradox" which is that you're not allowed to point something out unless it's being celebrated as a victory for the sake of progress.
it's not just that. I can admit that and I have no problem with it. maybe jews are more successful because they're better than you? (disclaimer: im not a jew and can admit that they often use nepotism to get where they are, but if someone is always pointing out how the jews control everything - it's because they hate that jews control everything and want to "fix" it)
The thing about the Jew stuff here is I don't really get what I'm supposed to do with the information. Ok, so if I take it that Jews are behind all this, should I be calling for ghettos and camps? This whole Israel vs Palestine thing I'm supposed to side with Muslims instead? I'm starting to wonder why I care at all let them fight and stay out of it.
I would never call for censorship or do I think it would improve opinions on the left. Still it's mostly just posts of "hey the Jews did this" with no relevance to how to fix any of it.
no, genuinely, take a stance. let's get rid of all doubt for argument's sake - jews have created and push for every degeneration you know of today, economical, political, societal, cultural or otherwise.
It's getting a little overboard, but a KiA2 was an excellent place for it, just because it wasn't an (((chamber))). Everyone seems to be getting hardened in their positions, which is useless towards discussion.
If it's intelligent discourse, I don't even have a problem with it.
But too much of it is just "OY VEY" and "GOYIM" and similar nonsense straight out of /pol/, from people incapable of making a good argument if their lives depended on it, and who know they hate a particular group, just not why.
I don't agree with the anti-Jew conspiracies at all but censoring it on here is just a step towards turning the place into Reddit-lite. You make one group of people protected from criticism, the question is what's the next group going to be?
I thought the point of this site was so we could discuss things without being censored by Reddit for sharing opinions they don't like. If on here the mods also censor opinions they don't like, then what's the point of the site?
The whole reasons the wealthy are pushing this woke nonsense is so that there will not be any class-based resistance to what they do - including, but not limited to, classical Marxism.
If you think one ethnic group is the enemy, I'm sorry, but you're retarded.
Yeah, sort of, though I think it has more to do with the judeophile conditioning we're taught from womb to grave. When people start looking at it objectively, it creates a bit of a "They Live" hysteria. You want to give everyone glasses, but you just come off as crazy. Of course, that just isolates the person, distorting their perspective and feeding paranoia, and the ability to create a nuanced and reasoned argument becomes lost. It becomes The Jews, rather than a characteristic that seems prevalent in the Jewish demographic.
But, that's not the same thing as pointing out that some individual degenerate journalist or academic is Jewish, as they often are. That's just to trigger others pattern recognition.
I think it has more to do with the judeophile conditioning we're taught from womb to grave.
I don't think that exists. I see far more attacks on Jews than any other ethnic group, even ethnic groups who deserve it more.
When people start looking at it objectively, it creates a bit of a "They Live" hysteria. You want to give everyone glasses, but you just come off as crazy.
Tell me about it. I know that Jews are more likely to be regressives, but I deny that this is because of some essence of pure evil in their blood. It's because they are more likely to be professionals and so called 'intellectuals'. What is the truth to which you think I am blind?
But, that's not the same thing as pointing out that some individual degenerate journalist or academic is Jewish, as they often are. That's just to trigger others pattern recognition.
It's more like confirmation bias. I never see those people on threads where there's a Jew opposing regressivism, of whom there are none too few.
I don't think that exists. I see far more attacks on Jews than any other ethnic group, even ethnic groups who deserve it more.
That may be true in Europe. Not really sure. In the US, evangelicism has severe judeophilia due to Armageddon prophesy. There's also no critical examination of Jews throughout history on what brings about their persecution. If it's spoken of at all, it's attributed to "jealousy" or "scapegoating". Intellectually dishonest. edit: In our education setting we also generally spend more time on the Holocaust and individual stories than we do on WW2.
Their biggest issue has always been lack of assimilation. Just the persistence of distinctly Jewish identities across Europe for centuries is testament to this fact, though we can even see this lack of assimilation between Jewish communities when forced together into ghettos. They moved up the Rhine for trade opportunities, but they never really emigrated. They just moved. Usury certainly didn't help perceptions.
But the main driver of judeophilia is, of course, the Holocaust. Judeophilia may not be as apt a word, here, but it's certainly a shield. Any criticism as a people is strictly taboo because of the big H's big H.
Tell me about it. I know that Jews are more likely to be regressives, but I deny that this is because of some essence of pure evil in their blood. It's because they are more likely to be professionals and so called 'intellectuals'. What is the truth to which you think I am blind?
Why boil it down to evil? They have a high verbal acumen in their blood (if you buy into IQ). They make a lot of arguments. Hell, half their religion seems to be arguing the nuance of just how much they can get away with without violating their holy scrolls. Natural lawyers.
I think the greater question is, just how many lawyers do we need? Does a plethora of lawyers create its own issues? Does an overabundance of the professional class create societal imbalance? Just how much of an economy should deal with and reward financing production of goods, versus the actual creation of goods (and therefore value)? Can an oversized intellectual class be unhealthy for a nation?
I think so.
I never see those people on threads where there's a Jew opposing regressivism, of whom there are none too few.
They exist, but I disagree with the last part. There are too few. Regardless, to praise them would just be the "based black man" meme. The problem isn't one of individuals, but of demographic tendency.
It's also true in the US. If we were going to hate groups based on their ethnicity, which I of course oppose, surely the group commtting 53% of the homicides despite making up 13% would be a far more worthy candidate.
There's also no critical examination of Jews throughout history on what brings about their persecution. If it's spoken of at all, it's attributed to "jealousy" or "scapegoating". Intellectually dishonest.
But that is the reason, and that is also the reason why other middlemen like the Chinese in Southeast Asia and the Greeks and Armenians in the Ottoman Empire were treated.
Their biggest issue has always been lack of assimilation.
Yet the greatest threat to their existence came from Germany, where they were most highly assimilated and where 50% of Jews were marrying non-Jews in the 1920s, and a greater proportion of Jews had dangerous combat duties in the war than non-Jews.
They moved up the Rhine for trade opportunities, but they never really emigrated. They just moved. Usury certainly didn't help perceptions.
Correct, but the idea that you can be expelled/butchered at any moment also doesn't really help.
Any criticism as a people is strictly taboo because of the big H's big H.
Precisely what criticism can you not utter because of the Holocaust?
Does a plethora of lawyers create its own issues?
Yes. Any more than zero is a very bad thing.
I think so.
I agree. But what of it then?
They exist, but I disagree with the last part. There are too few. Regardless, to praise them would just be the "based black man" meme.
How is it then that you only 'notice' when something is in accordance of your ideology, and you don't happen to 'notice' when it's not? Surely, if impressive skills of perception and 'pattern recognition' were involved, you'd see: "wow, there sure are a lot of Jews being regressives, and also a whole lot of Jews being against them".
It's also true in the US. If we were going to hate groups based on their ethnicity, which I of course oppose, surely the group commtting 53% of the homicides despite making up 13% would be a far more worthy candidate.
Yeah, the hate bit is stupid. Finding the line that ethnonationalism has valid and practical application can be a tough one. Too many fall off the argument, and into ideology traps. I do it myself sometimes.
As to 13/53, it's old hat. I think it's mostly convinced those who will be convinced. Every once in awhile, the arguments are worth reiterating, but the facts are known, with a wealth of supporting data.
But, in the end, it shouldn't be about hatred. Ethnonationalism has dirty connotation, but there is a solid rationale to it. It's just not well placed to replace in most parts.
Precisely what criticism can you not utter because of the Holocaust?
It seems to work like this:
"If you criticize, Israel, Jews as a people, point out that someone is Jewish, or that Jews are disproportionately represented in a field (especially the lawyer/banker/journalist class), it's anti-semtiism. Anti-semitism is what created the Holocaust. If you continue to follow this line of reasoning, you're a Nazi. You don't want to be a Nazi, do you?"
Firings may follow.
How is it then that you only 'notice' when something is in accordance of your ideology, and you don't happen to 'notice' when it's not? Surely, if impressive skills of perception and 'pattern recognition' were involved, you'd see: "wow, there sure are a lot of Jews being regressives, and also a whole lot of Jews being against them".
Who said I don't notice? There's just no major purpose in stating it. Though, I guess there kind of is, if it's part of how you're informing your opinions.
It seems the more influential are on the regressive side. Those who push back tend to be pretty Zionist or neoconservative. I don't see it as a black and white choice. None of these ideologies are really in my interest.
You're seeing what you want to see, just like so many others. Your sort says "it's the jews", the red pills say "it's the women", the nationalists say "it's the mexicans (or the chinese)" and the race baiters say "it's the blacks".
Just because your interpretation says all the rest are being played for fools doesn't make your interpretation more correct.
Any conspiracy theory that involves a group of people being megalomaniacally smarter than everyone else enough so to pit everyone against everyone else... is wrong.
Because the truth is the entirety of humanity is extremely stupid. There is no grand scheme, there's just a whole lot of very stupid people acting in their own self interest.
Even the gestalt of marxism is fueled by stupid people who believe that working communism would be a magical land of unicorn rainbow farts... and the cynics among them who just want to rule over the rubble are the most rational among them.
If you do another broken quote reply to me again, I will block you. I don't put up with that pedantic bullshit. You either make a point in proper conversation, or gtfo.
Now... You say "it doesn't require intelligence but money and influence."
I'm calling bullshit on that.
It's implicit in the "its the jews!' position that there must be an intelligent plan, otherwise they wouldn't be making it an ethno/religious argument, but rather a classist argument. Plenty of non-jews have money and influence. But the jew hating crowd isn't going after the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld Halliburton Superfriends Crew, who clearly have more money and influence than the jews do. The jew hating crowd hates the jews because they perceive them as part of a grand ethno conspiracy. If they didn't then they'd just hate all rich people (or all idle rich people).
It's implicit in the "its the jews!' position that there must be an intelligent plan, otherwise they wouldn't be making it an ethno/religious argument, but rather a classist argument.
No, the only thing it requires is humanity's strongest in-group preference, and, if we're all being honest, the most externally-reinforced in-group preference in history.
While the types whose favorite question is J love to point out the number of pogroms, expulsions, and genocide attempts, they have a bit of a blind spot for the implications behind them - of course, the conspiracy led by one Jew primarily consists of other Jews. Six thousand years of ethno/cultural history have taught him that no one else can be trusted, so a midwit cousin is a better co-conspirator than a goyim, and a dim brother is safer to put on your board of directors than even the most competent outsider.
Accept that, and rather than a grand conspiracy set up by some metaphysical defect in their genes, a plot to rule and control is nothing more than a passing familiarity with history and a sense of self-preservation.
One must concede, however, that it's far more difficult to draw the ties between Bush and Obama than it is to connect a cabal whose mothers all attended the same Temple school in the Bronx.
I said earlier that any antisemite who says they don't believe there's a conspiracy, is lying.
Your last sentence there demonstrates it. All the words you said before that was to make it sound less crazy. The last line is what you actually believe.
And I know you have to believe it's a conspiracy because of how STRONGLY ya'll hate them. All those other words you said would apply just as much to the Irish or the Japanese. Ever been around a bunch of Japanese people? They are fukkin racist, openly. But ya'll don't hate them as much. There's a reason for the difference. And the reason is ya'll don't think they're conspiring.
And the reason is ya'll don't think they're conspiring.
No, the reason is they hold relatively few positions in high finance and mass media.
For a better comparison in modern times, look at the reaction of black Americans to Korean and Indian small business owners in their neighborhoods. There is a similar pattern of chain immigration and nepotism, and the reaction is one of general hostility because of high visibility.
If you go back a bit farther, you'll see a similar reaction to the pattern of Irish chain migration and nepotism into the police and fire services on the major cities on the East Coast. Once again, there was a strong negative reaction from people not in the group whose daily lives were affected.
If you're going to declare a rational explanation of an extant phenomenon (offered as an alternative which assumes no malice) the moral equivalent of a grand conspiracy narrative (which necessitates the absurd concept of genetic malice), you're not going to find many people who can argue against the conspiracists, and you're a damned fool for turning away the only possible competing theory once people start to notice.
Your sort says "it's the jews", the red pills say "it's the women", the nationalists say "it's the mexicans (or the chinese)" and the race baiters say "it's the blacks".
You forgot "weak men". And there's truth in every argument, but no single one is a complete picture.
But what irks me about the antisemites is their conceit. They think that their hypothesis accounts for ALL the other truths.
That their boogiejew is behind everything else. The black poverty, working poor drug problems, feminism, oilwar, all of it. They big up judaism into a megalomaniacal supervillain just to pat themselves on the back at having such a terrible opponent.
It's pathetic and irritating and more than a little cringe.
A person can't simultaneously be "grrr jews are behind it" and "wait no, I'm not saying they have a conspiracy".
As I see it, they're either in or out on it, and if they're not all in then their animosity makes no sense.
Basically, I'm saying that any antisemite who backtracks and says they don't think there's a conspiracy, is lying. And they're lying because when forced to scrutinize it, the more ridiculous it actually is and how stupid they'd look if they said they do believe there's a conspiracy.
Yes, Fabian Socialists who run the worlds largest investment banks push Marxism.
The more you sit here and cry about Jews, the easier it is for the Left to distract and balkanize. You keep leaping at shadows presented to you by Leftists which makes you easier to fucking segregate and control.
This is literally why Identity Politics exists, and you need to get through your head that crying about the Jews is literally the same damn shit. You crying about the Jews is no different from Blacks crying about Whites, or even Jews also crying about you.
You just can't fucking help yourself be balkanized and made useless because no one actually wants the race war with Jews that you're dreaming of.
I'm not. Judeo-Bolshevism is nonsense. Besides, Judaism is in direct conflict with Marxism, as Marx himself explicitly stated. Socialism is antithetical to Judaism as far as he was concerned.
If you are going to actually oppose Leftists, you're going to have to quit crying about the Jews and pay attention to the real threats and elites.
not sure what your goal is but if it's to convince people of something, you need to reach the sleepy middle of the road normies who are programmed to react emotionally to certain trigger phrases - they aren't "the left" and they can be reasoned with if you don't start with "let me teach you about the international banker conspiracy"
if you don't care what ppl think then yeah you do you
The US Government and Federal Reserve destroyed capitalism. They together act as the central planner of the economy diverting capital where they see fit through monetary and fiscal policy. Until recently the Fed had diverted capital into the stock market away from the real economy, this has changed slightly but the damage is done. Corporations that spread unprofitable globohomo propaganda are allowed to live because low interest rates allow endless debt accumulation to buy back/prop up share prices. Then if there is a problem and that debt cannot be paid they are bailed out. The Fed is propping up the Government, allowing it to endlessly borrow with low interest rates. This means endless wars to spread globohomo and more and more social programs for poor immigrants/refugees. This isn’t capitalism. Capitalism would see unprofitable corporations fail. Capitalism would see governments borrowing at interest rates determined by supply and demand. These bankers are quite clever, they broke capitalism but now blame it for all the problems they caused by perverting it.
I'm not against the anti-jew shit because the leftists will like us if we stop, I'm against the anti-jew shit because it's retarded collectivism and literally identical to what SJWs do. And it's not even effective or useful in any way, it's clearly bullshit so it just destroys our legitimacy.
Why would I want the Stormfags banned? You're not smart enough to be an actual threat to anyone, whether it's us or the leftists. You're just about the best source of comedy to be found on the internet right now.
There will be a war before then. And when that happens, it will definitely be funny to watch the feminists alternately pleading for and demanding protection from the three generations of men whom their behavior has rendered both unwilling and utterly incapable of taking on that responsibility.
As I said. Incapable. You can try to force someone to do something that they are mentally and physically unequipped to do, but the result will still be that it doesn't get done.
the storm creeps aren’t right wing. Being anti Marxist does not make you right wing. Mussolini was a socialist before he founded Fascism, because he was tired of Italian socialist not taking action. Fascist being right wing is a lie pushed by leftist. It’s just another flavor of turd in collectivism, which is left wing. They are literally just sjws, but instead of hating straight white people they hate everyone else. No one here is calling for the end of anti Jewish posts because we think the left would like us more. We know nothing we do will make the left like us. We are tired of seeing the anti Jewish talk because it’s collectivist, conspiratorial, bull shit that does not forward a conversation, nor does it push forward any winning arguments in the “culture war” at all. What it does is paint an unnecessary target on the sub and scares off anyone with functioning brain cells that weren’t here before the increase in anti Jewish posts. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend, and could just as well just be another enemy. Identity politics are bull shit. So take them elsewhere. Your arguments are no different than the left you just have a different target for what you blame the worlds problems or your personal shortcomings on, and you are both wrong.
I, for one, am not against the anti-Jewish talk because I want to suck up to the left. I'm against the anti-Jewish talk when it's misaimed. Condemn the infant circumcision that Jews claim is an inseparable part of their religion and I'll be right there with you, but blaming "the Jews" for the actions of Jewish antisemites who want their fellow Jews exterminated is like TERFs pointing to a MTF transsexual and claiming he represents all men.
https://cis.org/Report/Jewish-Stake-Americas-Changing-Demography
The common accusation, here and everywhere else, is that people only develop a negative opinion of Jews via exposure to extremist hate communities like /pol and stormfront. How then to explain people like me, who have never visited such spaces? I came to my JQ opinions purely by listening to Jewish people run their mouths about precisely what they were trying to do. So to me, most of the people here are saying "don't believe your lying ears/eyes".
It mirrors the dismissals surrounding gamergate, really. Feminists crowed very publicly about their intentions to fundamentally change the industry. All we did was repeat their boasts with a negative framing, and the mainstream told us we were crazy for essentially repeating what they said.
This gaslighting is what I see in most spaces whenever the JQ arises. You could simply quote Jewish people all day, and most people would unironically call you a bigot and a conspiracy theorist. Meanwhile, you're just holding mirror. You're just reading their articles, their tweets, their comments, and framing them as negative rather than positive. For that, you're a monster.
Insofar as "everything is the jews' fault", it's hilarious to see people here pretending like they haven't propped up their own preferred singular group as responsible for all of the problems. And even though you can easily connect virtually all of these groups to the Jews, I still don't blame "the Jews" for everything. They are just another thread running through this current offensive. The Left is a coalition, after all. I'm comfortable diversifying my blame.
its not even anti jew a lot of it is just pointing out the a certain ethnic group is just disproportionately represented in some things more its just reality
Yeah it's mostly pointing out the "hate facts" that people would rather ignore. I would prefer if people stick to pointing out the truth more than anything as well.
When it comes to certain topics you get the "celebration paradox" which is that you're not allowed to point something out unless it's being celebrated as a victory for the sake of progress.
it's not just that. I can admit that and I have no problem with it. maybe jews are more successful because they're better than you? (disclaimer: im not a jew and can admit that they often use nepotism to get where they are, but if someone is always pointing out how the jews control everything - it's because they hate that jews control everything and want to "fix" it)
m8 I dont know where you got all those assumptions, I simply don't see a reason to believe there is a global jewish conspiracy....
Im an anarchist and accelerationist and definitely not "OK with the way things are going" lol
psychopaths often get into better positions because of their ruthlessness.
are they better than you? do you have no problem with them dictating your life because they're better than you?
The thing about the Jew stuff here is I don't really get what I'm supposed to do with the information. Ok, so if I take it that Jews are behind all this, should I be calling for ghettos and camps? This whole Israel vs Palestine thing I'm supposed to side with Muslims instead? I'm starting to wonder why I care at all let them fight and stay out of it.
I would never call for censorship or do I think it would improve opinions on the left. Still it's mostly just posts of "hey the Jews did this" with no relevance to how to fix any of it.
what do you think?
no, genuinely, take a stance. let's get rid of all doubt for argument's sake - jews have created and push for every degeneration you know of today, economical, political, societal, cultural or otherwise.
should you?
It's getting a little overboard, but a KiA2 was an excellent place for it, just because it wasn't an (((chamber))). Everyone seems to be getting hardened in their positions, which is useless towards discussion.
If it's intelligent discourse, I don't even have a problem with it.
But too much of it is just "OY VEY" and "GOYIM" and similar nonsense straight out of /pol/, from people incapable of making a good argument if their lives depended on it, and who know they hate a particular group, just not why.
"All mockery of Jews and their one god shall be kept to an appropriate minimum"
I don't agree with the anti-Jew conspiracies at all but censoring it on here is just a step towards turning the place into Reddit-lite. You make one group of people protected from criticism, the question is what's the next group going to be?
I thought the point of this site was so we could discuss things without being censored by Reddit for sharing opinions they don't like. If on here the mods also censor opinions they don't like, then what's the point of the site?
I don’t think I’ve seen a call for censorship. Just people pointing out how stupid their takes are.
The mods have been deleting some of the conspiracy stuff in the comments.
Isn’t there a rule about not posting conspiracy theories on the sub?
Learn to read.
The whole reasons the wealthy are pushing this woke nonsense is so that there will not be any class-based resistance to what they do - including, but not limited to, classical Marxism.
If you think one ethnic group is the enemy, I'm sorry, but you're retarded.
Is it rational to think one ethnic group contributes disproportionately to the problem relative to others, though?
The absolute obsession that some have with the Jews, and with vilifying Jews in general, shows that it goes far beyond that.
Yeah, sort of, though I think it has more to do with the judeophile conditioning we're taught from womb to grave. When people start looking at it objectively, it creates a bit of a "They Live" hysteria. You want to give everyone glasses, but you just come off as crazy. Of course, that just isolates the person, distorting their perspective and feeding paranoia, and the ability to create a nuanced and reasoned argument becomes lost. It becomes The Jews, rather than a characteristic that seems prevalent in the Jewish demographic.
But, that's not the same thing as pointing out that some individual degenerate journalist or academic is Jewish, as they often are. That's just to trigger others pattern recognition.
I don't think that exists. I see far more attacks on Jews than any other ethnic group, even ethnic groups who deserve it more.
Tell me about it. I know that Jews are more likely to be regressives, but I deny that this is because of some essence of pure evil in their blood. It's because they are more likely to be professionals and so called 'intellectuals'. What is the truth to which you think I am blind?
It's more like confirmation bias. I never see those people on threads where there's a Jew opposing regressivism, of whom there are none too few.
That may be true in Europe. Not really sure. In the US, evangelicism has severe judeophilia due to Armageddon prophesy. There's also no critical examination of Jews throughout history on what brings about their persecution. If it's spoken of at all, it's attributed to "jealousy" or "scapegoating". Intellectually dishonest. edit: In our education setting we also generally spend more time on the Holocaust and individual stories than we do on WW2.
Their biggest issue has always been lack of assimilation. Just the persistence of distinctly Jewish identities across Europe for centuries is testament to this fact, though we can even see this lack of assimilation between Jewish communities when forced together into ghettos. They moved up the Rhine for trade opportunities, but they never really emigrated. They just moved. Usury certainly didn't help perceptions.
But the main driver of judeophilia is, of course, the Holocaust. Judeophilia may not be as apt a word, here, but it's certainly a shield. Any criticism as a people is strictly taboo because of the big H's big H.
Why boil it down to evil? They have a high verbal acumen in their blood (if you buy into IQ). They make a lot of arguments. Hell, half their religion seems to be arguing the nuance of just how much they can get away with without violating their holy scrolls. Natural lawyers.
I think the greater question is, just how many lawyers do we need? Does a plethora of lawyers create its own issues? Does an overabundance of the professional class create societal imbalance? Just how much of an economy should deal with and reward financing production of goods, versus the actual creation of goods (and therefore value)? Can an oversized intellectual class be unhealthy for a nation?
I think so.
They exist, but I disagree with the last part. There are too few. Regardless, to praise them would just be the "based black man" meme. The problem isn't one of individuals, but of demographic tendency.
It's also true in the US. If we were going to hate groups based on their ethnicity, which I of course oppose, surely the group commtting 53% of the homicides despite making up 13% would be a far more worthy candidate.
But that is the reason, and that is also the reason why other middlemen like the Chinese in Southeast Asia and the Greeks and Armenians in the Ottoman Empire were treated.
Yet the greatest threat to their existence came from Germany, where they were most highly assimilated and where 50% of Jews were marrying non-Jews in the 1920s, and a greater proportion of Jews had dangerous combat duties in the war than non-Jews.
Correct, but the idea that you can be expelled/butchered at any moment also doesn't really help.
Precisely what criticism can you not utter because of the Holocaust?
Yes. Any more than zero is a very bad thing.
I agree. But what of it then?
How is it then that you only 'notice' when something is in accordance of your ideology, and you don't happen to 'notice' when it's not? Surely, if impressive skills of perception and 'pattern recognition' were involved, you'd see: "wow, there sure are a lot of Jews being regressives, and also a whole lot of Jews being against them".
Yeah, the hate bit is stupid. Finding the line that ethnonationalism has valid and practical application can be a tough one. Too many fall off the argument, and into ideology traps. I do it myself sometimes.
As to 13/53, it's old hat. I think it's mostly convinced those who will be convinced. Every once in awhile, the arguments are worth reiterating, but the facts are known, with a wealth of supporting data.
But, in the end, it shouldn't be about hatred. Ethnonationalism has dirty connotation, but there is a solid rationale to it. It's just not well placed to replace in most parts.
It seems to work like this: "If you criticize, Israel, Jews as a people, point out that someone is Jewish, or that Jews are disproportionately represented in a field (especially the lawyer/banker/journalist class), it's anti-semtiism. Anti-semitism is what created the Holocaust. If you continue to follow this line of reasoning, you're a Nazi. You don't want to be a Nazi, do you?"
Firings may follow.
Who said I don't notice? There's just no major purpose in stating it. Though, I guess there kind of is, if it's part of how you're informing your opinions.
It seems the more influential are on the regressive side. Those who push back tend to be pretty Zionist or neoconservative. I don't see it as a black and white choice. None of these ideologies are really in my interest.
Displaying ignorance on a topic is not an argument.
No.
You're seeing what you want to see, just like so many others. Your sort says "it's the jews", the red pills say "it's the women", the nationalists say "it's the mexicans (or the chinese)" and the race baiters say "it's the blacks".
Just because your interpretation says all the rest are being played for fools doesn't make your interpretation more correct.
Any conspiracy theory that involves a group of people being megalomaniacally smarter than everyone else enough so to pit everyone against everyone else... is wrong.
Because the truth is the entirety of humanity is extremely stupid. There is no grand scheme, there's just a whole lot of very stupid people acting in their own self interest.
Even the gestalt of marxism is fueled by stupid people who believe that working communism would be a magical land of unicorn rainbow farts... and the cynics among them who just want to rule over the rubble are the most rational among them.
If you do another broken quote reply to me again, I will block you. I don't put up with that pedantic bullshit. You either make a point in proper conversation, or gtfo.
Now... You say "it doesn't require intelligence but money and influence."
I'm calling bullshit on that.
It's implicit in the "its the jews!' position that there must be an intelligent plan, otherwise they wouldn't be making it an ethno/religious argument, but rather a classist argument. Plenty of non-jews have money and influence. But the jew hating crowd isn't going after the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld Halliburton Superfriends Crew, who clearly have more money and influence than the jews do. The jew hating crowd hates the jews because they perceive them as part of a grand ethno conspiracy. If they didn't then they'd just hate all rich people (or all idle rich people).
Blocked forever. I told you.
Truth hurts doesn't it?
Have you forgotten you could just go back and hang out with Bardfinn on reddit?
No, the only thing it requires is humanity's strongest in-group preference, and, if we're all being honest, the most externally-reinforced in-group preference in history.
While the types whose favorite question is J love to point out the number of pogroms, expulsions, and genocide attempts, they have a bit of a blind spot for the implications behind them - of course, the conspiracy led by one Jew primarily consists of other Jews. Six thousand years of ethno/cultural history have taught him that no one else can be trusted, so a midwit cousin is a better co-conspirator than a goyim, and a dim brother is safer to put on your board of directors than even the most competent outsider.
Accept that, and rather than a grand conspiracy set up by some metaphysical defect in their genes, a plot to rule and control is nothing more than a passing familiarity with history and a sense of self-preservation.
One must concede, however, that it's far more difficult to draw the ties between Bush and Obama than it is to connect a cabal whose mothers all attended the same Temple school in the Bronx.
I said earlier that any antisemite who says they don't believe there's a conspiracy, is lying.
Your last sentence there demonstrates it. All the words you said before that was to make it sound less crazy. The last line is what you actually believe.
And I know you have to believe it's a conspiracy because of how STRONGLY ya'll hate them. All those other words you said would apply just as much to the Irish or the Japanese. Ever been around a bunch of Japanese people? They are fukkin racist, openly. But ya'll don't hate them as much. There's a reason for the difference. And the reason is ya'll don't think they're conspiring.
No, the reason is they hold relatively few positions in high finance and mass media.
For a better comparison in modern times, look at the reaction of black Americans to Korean and Indian small business owners in their neighborhoods. There is a similar pattern of chain immigration and nepotism, and the reaction is one of general hostility because of high visibility.
If you go back a bit farther, you'll see a similar reaction to the pattern of Irish chain migration and nepotism into the police and fire services on the major cities on the East Coast. Once again, there was a strong negative reaction from people not in the group whose daily lives were affected.
If you're going to declare a rational explanation of an extant phenomenon (offered as an alternative which assumes no malice) the moral equivalent of a grand conspiracy narrative (which necessitates the absurd concept of genetic malice), you're not going to find many people who can argue against the conspiracists, and you're a damned fool for turning away the only possible competing theory once people start to notice.
You forgot "weak men". And there's truth in every argument, but no single one is a complete picture.
There is some truth, yes.
But what irks me about the antisemites is their conceit. They think that their hypothesis accounts for ALL the other truths.
That their boogiejew is behind everything else. The black poverty, working poor drug problems, feminism, oilwar, all of it. They big up judaism into a megalomaniacal supervillain just to pat themselves on the back at having such a terrible opponent.
It's pathetic and irritating and more than a little cringe.
So you look for the dumbest version of an argument you can find, then present that as the entire argument.
I don't see how their position works otherwise.
A person can't simultaneously be "grrr jews are behind it" and "wait no, I'm not saying they have a conspiracy".
As I see it, they're either in or out on it, and if they're not all in then their animosity makes no sense.
Basically, I'm saying that any antisemite who backtracks and says they don't think there's a conspiracy, is lying. And they're lying because when forced to scrutinize it, the more ridiculous it actually is and how stupid they'd look if they said they do believe there's a conspiracy.
Don’t apologize, it’s not your fault their underdeveloped
Yes, Fabian Socialists who run the worlds largest investment banks push Marxism.
The more you sit here and cry about Jews, the easier it is for the Left to distract and balkanize. You keep leaping at shadows presented to you by Leftists which makes you easier to fucking segregate and control.
This is literally why Identity Politics exists, and you need to get through your head that crying about the Jews is literally the same damn shit. You crying about the Jews is no different from Blacks crying about Whites, or even Jews also crying about you.
You just can't fucking help yourself be balkanized and made useless because no one actually wants the race war with Jews that you're dreaming of.
I'm not. Judeo-Bolshevism is nonsense. Besides, Judaism is in direct conflict with Marxism, as Marx himself explicitly stated. Socialism is antithetical to Judaism as far as he was concerned.
If you are going to actually oppose Leftists, you're going to have to quit crying about the Jews and pay attention to the real threats and elites.
Jews aren't a problem. Leftists are. That includes you.
I don't serve Leftists. It's why I'm at odds with you.
not sure what your goal is but if it's to convince people of something, you need to reach the sleepy middle of the road normies who are programmed to react emotionally to certain trigger phrases - they aren't "the left" and they can be reasoned with if you don't start with "let me teach you about the international banker conspiracy"
if you don't care what ppl think then yeah you do you
The US Government and Federal Reserve destroyed capitalism. They together act as the central planner of the economy diverting capital where they see fit through monetary and fiscal policy. Until recently the Fed had diverted capital into the stock market away from the real economy, this has changed slightly but the damage is done. Corporations that spread unprofitable globohomo propaganda are allowed to live because low interest rates allow endless debt accumulation to buy back/prop up share prices. Then if there is a problem and that debt cannot be paid they are bailed out. The Fed is propping up the Government, allowing it to endlessly borrow with low interest rates. This means endless wars to spread globohomo and more and more social programs for poor immigrants/refugees. This isn’t capitalism. Capitalism would see unprofitable corporations fail. Capitalism would see governments borrowing at interest rates determined by supply and demand. These bankers are quite clever, they broke capitalism but now blame it for all the problems they caused by perverting it.
If you think voluntary exchange can't exist in reality, but central planning can work, then you are fucking retarded lol
I disagree with the idea that corrupt capitalism can be justified.
Real capitalism has never been tried.
Who's censoring anyone?
That said, I might ask for more than a 'shopped jpeg by way of data if you're going to go on a "Da Jooz" rant...
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I'm not against the anti-jew shit because the leftists will like us if we stop, I'm against the anti-jew shit because it's retarded collectivism and literally identical to what SJWs do. And it's not even effective or useful in any way, it's clearly bullshit so it just destroys our legitimacy.
Why would I want the Stormfags banned? You're not smart enough to be an actual threat to anyone, whether it's us or the leftists. You're just about the best source of comedy to be found on the internet right now.
There will be a war before then. And when that happens, it will definitely be funny to watch the feminists alternately pleading for and demanding protection from the three generations of men whom their behavior has rendered both unwilling and utterly incapable of taking on that responsibility.
As I said. Incapable. You can try to force someone to do something that they are mentally and physically unequipped to do, but the result will still be that it doesn't get done.
There aren't very many men these days. Just a lot of weak boys. Anything that hardens their resolve is a good thing.
I agree. I'm too black-pilled at this point to think there's is any "win" coming our way.
What an odd idea. How exactly would that work?
the storm creeps aren’t right wing. Being anti Marxist does not make you right wing. Mussolini was a socialist before he founded Fascism, because he was tired of Italian socialist not taking action. Fascist being right wing is a lie pushed by leftist. It’s just another flavor of turd in collectivism, which is left wing. They are literally just sjws, but instead of hating straight white people they hate everyone else. No one here is calling for the end of anti Jewish posts because we think the left would like us more. We know nothing we do will make the left like us. We are tired of seeing the anti Jewish talk because it’s collectivist, conspiratorial, bull shit that does not forward a conversation, nor does it push forward any winning arguments in the “culture war” at all. What it does is paint an unnecessary target on the sub and scares off anyone with functioning brain cells that weren’t here before the increase in anti Jewish posts. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend, and could just as well just be another enemy. Identity politics are bull shit. So take them elsewhere. Your arguments are no different than the left you just have a different target for what you blame the worlds problems or your personal shortcomings on, and you are both wrong.
I believe replying to a two week old post is quite clownish.
I, for one, am not against the anti-Jewish talk because I want to suck up to the left. I'm against the anti-Jewish talk when it's misaimed. Condemn the infant circumcision that Jews claim is an inseparable part of their religion and I'll be right there with you, but blaming "the Jews" for the actions of Jewish antisemites who want their fellow Jews exterminated is like TERFs pointing to a MTF transsexual and claiming he represents all men.
You got it 100% right here.
I didn't say Marxist Jews didn't invent leftism, I said they were race traitors.