If you do another broken quote reply to me again, I will block you. I don't put up with that pedantic bullshit. You either make a point in proper conversation, or gtfo.
Now... You say "it doesn't require intelligence but money and influence."
I'm calling bullshit on that.
It's implicit in the "its the jews!' position that there must be an intelligent plan, otherwise they wouldn't be making it an ethno/religious argument, but rather a classist argument. Plenty of non-jews have money and influence. But the jew hating crowd isn't going after the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld Halliburton Superfriends Crew, who clearly have more money and influence than the jews do. The jew hating crowd hates the jews because they perceive them as part of a grand ethno conspiracy. If they didn't then they'd just hate all rich people (or all idle rich people).
It's implicit in the "its the jews!' position that there must be an intelligent plan, otherwise they wouldn't be making it an ethno/religious argument, but rather a classist argument.
No, the only thing it requires is humanity's strongest in-group preference, and, if we're all being honest, the most externally-reinforced in-group preference in history.
While the types whose favorite question is J love to point out the number of pogroms, expulsions, and genocide attempts, they have a bit of a blind spot for the implications behind them - of course, the conspiracy led by one Jew primarily consists of other Jews. Six thousand years of ethno/cultural history have taught him that no one else can be trusted, so a midwit cousin is a better co-conspirator than a goyim, and a dim brother is safer to put on your board of directors than even the most competent outsider.
Accept that, and rather than a grand conspiracy set up by some metaphysical defect in their genes, a plot to rule and control is nothing more than a passing familiarity with history and a sense of self-preservation.
One must concede, however, that it's far more difficult to draw the ties between Bush and Obama than it is to connect a cabal whose mothers all attended the same Temple school in the Bronx.
I said earlier that any antisemite who says they don't believe there's a conspiracy, is lying.
Your last sentence there demonstrates it. All the words you said before that was to make it sound less crazy. The last line is what you actually believe.
And I know you have to believe it's a conspiracy because of how STRONGLY ya'll hate them. All those other words you said would apply just as much to the Irish or the Japanese. Ever been around a bunch of Japanese people? They are fukkin racist, openly. But ya'll don't hate them as much. There's a reason for the difference. And the reason is ya'll don't think they're conspiring.
And the reason is ya'll don't think they're conspiring.
No, the reason is they hold relatively few positions in high finance and mass media.
For a better comparison in modern times, look at the reaction of black Americans to Korean and Indian small business owners in their neighborhoods. There is a similar pattern of chain immigration and nepotism, and the reaction is one of general hostility because of high visibility.
If you go back a bit farther, you'll see a similar reaction to the pattern of Irish chain migration and nepotism into the police and fire services on the major cities on the East Coast. Once again, there was a strong negative reaction from people not in the group whose daily lives were affected.
If you're going to declare a rational explanation of an extant phenomenon (offered as an alternative which assumes no malice) the moral equivalent of a grand conspiracy narrative (which necessitates the absurd concept of genetic malice), you're not going to find many people who can argue against the conspiracists, and you're a damned fool for turning away the only possible competing theory once people start to notice.
Okay so, you think that I'm denying the existence of own group preference the the resultant interethnic animosity. I'm not. That those exist is self evident.
What I'm saying is that that's not enough to justify the strength of the animosity the antisemities have towards the jewish. The mere fact that in the grand game of intergroup competition one group tends to do really well isn't enough to explain the singular focus that people put on how they think "the jews are behind it".
Basically: I don't believe there are any antisemites who believe what you're pitching.
I think the people who DO believe what you're pitching, don't hate jews for being jews. Instead they simply hate the rich for being rich, and they don't care whether the rich are jews or wasps.
If you do another broken quote reply to me again, I will block you. I don't put up with that pedantic bullshit. You either make a point in proper conversation, or gtfo.
Now... You say "it doesn't require intelligence but money and influence."
I'm calling bullshit on that.
It's implicit in the "its the jews!' position that there must be an intelligent plan, otherwise they wouldn't be making it an ethno/religious argument, but rather a classist argument. Plenty of non-jews have money and influence. But the jew hating crowd isn't going after the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld Halliburton Superfriends Crew, who clearly have more money and influence than the jews do. The jew hating crowd hates the jews because they perceive them as part of a grand ethno conspiracy. If they didn't then they'd just hate all rich people (or all idle rich people).
Blocked forever. I told you.
Truth hurts doesn't it?
I didn't even read what he said.
He used multiple quotes when I told him not to.
You wanna have a conversation, I'll have a conversation. But if you use multiple quote indents, I'm gonna drop ya.
Have you forgotten you could just go back and hang out with Bardfinn on reddit?
Who?
Shrug.
I've been bickering with people on the internet for thirty years. I know the mentality of users who pick quotes apart into tiny fragments.
I have no patience for them anymore. I stopped believing they reply in good faith years ago.
No, the only thing it requires is humanity's strongest in-group preference, and, if we're all being honest, the most externally-reinforced in-group preference in history.
While the types whose favorite question is J love to point out the number of pogroms, expulsions, and genocide attempts, they have a bit of a blind spot for the implications behind them - of course, the conspiracy led by one Jew primarily consists of other Jews. Six thousand years of ethno/cultural history have taught him that no one else can be trusted, so a midwit cousin is a better co-conspirator than a goyim, and a dim brother is safer to put on your board of directors than even the most competent outsider.
Accept that, and rather than a grand conspiracy set up by some metaphysical defect in their genes, a plot to rule and control is nothing more than a passing familiarity with history and a sense of self-preservation.
One must concede, however, that it's far more difficult to draw the ties between Bush and Obama than it is to connect a cabal whose mothers all attended the same Temple school in the Bronx.
I said earlier that any antisemite who says they don't believe there's a conspiracy, is lying.
Your last sentence there demonstrates it. All the words you said before that was to make it sound less crazy. The last line is what you actually believe.
And I know you have to believe it's a conspiracy because of how STRONGLY ya'll hate them. All those other words you said would apply just as much to the Irish or the Japanese. Ever been around a bunch of Japanese people? They are fukkin racist, openly. But ya'll don't hate them as much. There's a reason for the difference. And the reason is ya'll don't think they're conspiring.
No, the reason is they hold relatively few positions in high finance and mass media.
For a better comparison in modern times, look at the reaction of black Americans to Korean and Indian small business owners in their neighborhoods. There is a similar pattern of chain immigration and nepotism, and the reaction is one of general hostility because of high visibility.
If you go back a bit farther, you'll see a similar reaction to the pattern of Irish chain migration and nepotism into the police and fire services on the major cities on the East Coast. Once again, there was a strong negative reaction from people not in the group whose daily lives were affected.
If you're going to declare a rational explanation of an extant phenomenon (offered as an alternative which assumes no malice) the moral equivalent of a grand conspiracy narrative (which necessitates the absurd concept of genetic malice), you're not going to find many people who can argue against the conspiracists, and you're a damned fool for turning away the only possible competing theory once people start to notice.
Ah. I see where we're missing each other.
Okay so, you think that I'm denying the existence of own group preference the the resultant interethnic animosity. I'm not. That those exist is self evident.
What I'm saying is that that's not enough to justify the strength of the animosity the antisemities have towards the jewish. The mere fact that in the grand game of intergroup competition one group tends to do really well isn't enough to explain the singular focus that people put on how they think "the jews are behind it".
Basically: I don't believe there are any antisemites who believe what you're pitching.
I think the people who DO believe what you're pitching, don't hate jews for being jews. Instead they simply hate the rich for being rich, and they don't care whether the rich are jews or wasps.