He has been snippy with Matt and Knowles for a while. Alot of groyper adjacent people have ignored that because they project Ben's stances onto the two. It's why I always get pissy about the people that act like Walsh suddenly changed views on topics where he has been very consistent. Walsh saying white people are under attack isnt some Shapiro conspiracy to win over the hard right, it has been something he consistently said for years now.
Ironically I have been vocally opposed to Shapiro since 2015 when a chunk of people here still defended him until they suddenly realized Israel sucks
To be fair, Knowles and Walsh were both hardcore neocons until as recently as last year. As far as I know Knowles still won't admit the Iraq war was a mistake.
The free marketplace of ideas has long since been as dead as the free market of capitalism. Both at the same hands.
Government intervention, media manipulations, and globalization prevent both from doing any of the things they are meant to do, and those who try to live within the ideals they are meant to represent are instead just easy suckers and marks for those who wield those powers to exploit.
The free marketplace of ideas may be dead, but that doesn't mean we should stop fighting for it. Courage is knowing the odds are bleak, but continuing forward anyway.
And foolishness is trying to make a relationship work, while your wife is already blatantly cheating on you.
If one side is not willing to uphold their end of the bargain, then they should reap no benefits of it. Mistakes and missteps are forgiveable, complete destruction and disrespect of it is not. These types we stand against have weaponized our desire to uphold it, and are wielding power overwhelming to crush us using their hypocrisy regarding it.
Complete abandonment of it is foolhardy, but standing around bleating about some utopian ideal just makes us impotent to resist while they push us further from it.
There is no blackpill in what I say, despair accomplishes nothing.
We must simply adapt our beliefs and movements to what will bring us closer to victory, rather than stare at a corpse and ruins hoping life will spring back from it.
The Free Market is never dead, it's just de-legitimized. It always exists and can't be destroyed, the issue is who's participating in it and how.
Freedom of Speech has effectively been an underground market for a while now. Not only is it not going anywhere, it's success is why we're having any at all.
The true way forward is to employ both tactics. You use the marketplace of ideas with the center types who can be persuaded, and then you tell the Leftist that they are spiteful ghouls who deserve to be destroyed. That way is the way to actual victory.
This was a necessary step for all conservative pundits to take. Everyone sees the writing on the wall. There are only those who from now on understand what need to be done, those who oppose us, and those enlightened centrists who side with our enemies, coincidentally, every single time.
Knowles is, fundamentally: an authoritarian, institutionalist, Catholic. He wants a strong power to take, seize, and impose order.
But true order is never something that can be imposed. Moral societies are not the out-growth of tyranny. True order can only come from reforming people's behavior by changing incentives.
Worse than that, the knowledge, wise, strong, civic-focused, order-preserving government that he wants does not exist. Trump isn't going to send in the Marines, but Knowles will get his house raided for "genocidal rhetoric" if we get another Leftist election. The order that comes will be pressed into his face by a jack-boot from the Left.
Yes, we should continue to use shame and humiliation against Leftists, they deserve that much at least, and that is well within the concept of Free Speech. Certainly for advocating for the eradication of Free Speech. But beyond that, we require consequences to attacks on the Free Marketplace of Ideas, and we must show unflinching ferocity in it's defense. The correct response would be to continue the Great American Comeback Tour, but with visible armed security, and encourage CCW's to carry onto the event. Even specify that in the event of the speaker being killed a new speaker will be assigned, and the area will not be evacuated for anyone's safety. And do it in the most aggressively Leftist place you can find.
You don't respond to pot-shots like this by retreating, you respond with "Force Presence".
Currently the 'free marketplace of ideas' is a field with an arrow saying 'conservatives stand here' while leftists at the edges wait watching with sniper rifles. It's a one way death trap until a purge occurs.
Those of the tepid normie conservatives who are still urging a commitment to discussion and debate may not realise how irresponsible they're being. If they convince one single right leaning person to keep engaging in open debate, in a setting that eventually gets them killed, then that blood is on their hands at this stage. There's no excuse not to understand the threat at this stage. 'Get away from them' is the most civil message that can be excused, with plenty less civil ones favoured.
He has been snippy with Matt and Knowles for a while. Alot of groyper adjacent people have ignored that because they project Ben's stances onto the two. It's why I always get pissy about the people that act like Walsh suddenly changed views on topics where he has been very consistent. Walsh saying white people are under attack isnt some Shapiro conspiracy to win over the hard right, it has been something he consistently said for years now.
Ironically I have been vocally opposed to Shapiro since 2015 when a chunk of people here still defended him until they suddenly realized Israel sucks
That's part of Revelations is it not?
I’m ok with this.
To be fair, Knowles and Walsh were both hardcore neocons until as recently as last year. As far as I know Knowles still won't admit the Iraq war was a mistake.
What was Walsh a neocon on
Klavan is a Jew who "converted" to Christian Zionism.
And can't say Christ is King. Not much of a Christian.
Why would he be?
These idiots all subscribe to a version of "Christianity" that falsely believes it's compatible with zionism.
There is no such thing. He's got them tightly wrapped around his bullshit scofield bible strategy.
You'd think he'd shit or get off the pot by now.
The free marketplace of ideas has long since been as dead as the free market of capitalism. Both at the same hands.
Government intervention, media manipulations, and globalization prevent both from doing any of the things they are meant to do, and those who try to live within the ideals they are meant to represent are instead just easy suckers and marks for those who wield those powers to exploit.
The free marketplace of ideas may be dead, but that doesn't mean we should stop fighting for it. Courage is knowing the odds are bleak, but continuing forward anyway.
Don't take the blackpill
And foolishness is trying to make a relationship work, while your wife is already blatantly cheating on you.
If one side is not willing to uphold their end of the bargain, then they should reap no benefits of it. Mistakes and missteps are forgiveable, complete destruction and disrespect of it is not. These types we stand against have weaponized our desire to uphold it, and are wielding power overwhelming to crush us using their hypocrisy regarding it.
Complete abandonment of it is foolhardy, but standing around bleating about some utopian ideal just makes us impotent to resist while they push us further from it.
I certainly agree with that. There is no point in supporting utopian ideals that wither yourself away. I'm just anti-blackpill
There is no blackpill in what I say, despair accomplishes nothing.
We must simply adapt our beliefs and movements to what will bring us closer to victory, rather than stare at a corpse and ruins hoping life will spring back from it.
The Free Market is never dead, it's just de-legitimized. It always exists and can't be destroyed, the issue is who's participating in it and how.
Freedom of Speech has effectively been an underground market for a while now. Not only is it not going anywhere, it's success is why we're having any at all.
Ahem
"The last guy who tried that, you shot him in the neck, cheered his death and promised more."
What is doing the same thing expecting different results?
nah. you killed the guy that wanted to talk. now you get the people who want to do other things.
Call us disinclined to acquiesce to your request.
"... huh?"
"Means no."
The marketplace is closed, pending renovations.
What do you know when the pendulum swings back towards them, it's let's talk this out like you guys wanted.
The true way forward is to employ both tactics. You use the marketplace of ideas with the center types who can be persuaded, and then you tell the Leftist that they are spiteful ghouls who deserve to be destroyed. That way is the way to actual victory.
This was a necessary step for all conservative pundits to take. Everyone sees the writing on the wall. There are only those who from now on understand what need to be done, those who oppose us, and those enlightened centrists who side with our enemies, coincidentally, every single time.
We should redouble our efforts to follow Jesus Christ.
I have nothing more to say to these people.
I'll be sticking to the idea of ideas as currency.
Knowles can try and put a levy on them if he wants.
I'll just go elsewhere.
There never has been a free marketplace of ideas, it has always been rented with dear coin, and never for long.
The government did this.
These pussies would never dream of challenging big daddy government.
So they'll shout all day about "the other side."
As if "the other side" could put together an operation and conspiracy like this.
Inane bullshit from dead media.
There it is. This is the thread that will be pulled on to unravel said liberty. Proceed with caution lest all the principles you cherish turn to dust.
Knowles is dead wrong. Markets do not require a strong, safe, society to function. Free markets require armed vendors.
Knowles is, fundamentally: an authoritarian, institutionalist, Catholic. He wants a strong power to take, seize, and impose order.
But true order is never something that can be imposed. Moral societies are not the out-growth of tyranny. True order can only come from reforming people's behavior by changing incentives.
Worse than that, the knowledge, wise, strong, civic-focused, order-preserving government that he wants does not exist. Trump isn't going to send in the Marines, but Knowles will get his house raided for "genocidal rhetoric" if we get another Leftist election. The order that comes will be pressed into his face by a jack-boot from the Left.
Yes, we should continue to use shame and humiliation against Leftists, they deserve that much at least, and that is well within the concept of Free Speech. Certainly for advocating for the eradication of Free Speech. But beyond that, we require consequences to attacks on the Free Marketplace of Ideas, and we must show unflinching ferocity in it's defense. The correct response would be to continue the Great American Comeback Tour, but with visible armed security, and encourage CCW's to carry onto the event. Even specify that in the event of the speaker being killed a new speaker will be assigned, and the area will not be evacuated for anyone's safety. And do it in the most aggressively Leftist place you can find.
You don't respond to pot-shots like this by retreating, you respond with "Force Presence".
Currently the 'free marketplace of ideas' is a field with an arrow saying 'conservatives stand here' while leftists at the edges wait watching with sniper rifles. It's a one way death trap until a purge occurs.
Those of the tepid normie conservatives who are still urging a commitment to discussion and debate may not realise how irresponsible they're being. If they convince one single right leaning person to keep engaging in open debate, in a setting that eventually gets them killed, then that blood is on their hands at this stage. There's no excuse not to understand the threat at this stage. 'Get away from them' is the most civil message that can be excused, with plenty less civil ones favoured.