That is fucking depressing and a clear indicator of the FAILURE of education in the West.
And I don't mean 'teachers need to teach teenagers how to form relationships', I mean the INTERFERENCE of teachers with leftist models of education is stunting teenagers being able to naturally form relationships, then they go onto social media, find that's awful too so are now on AI which at least, isn't going to tell them they are awful people for saying a girl is a girl and a boy is a boy.
I think it's worse than that, this isn't education from a school they are missing. It's evidence that their parents failed to raise them properly and give them the basic instructions on how to be socialized as an adult. My worse suspicion is that it is because the parents don't know how to do it, and neither did their parents. This is why some of these kids have been going and watching videos from the 1950's on how to talk to women, or how to date. That was literally the last time the information was passed down. The boomers passed nothing, so no generation after them passed anything either.
Now, as a result, the kids are trying to educate themselves given the tools available. Though it may work for some kids who come from broken homes and have no real social skills; it will also create a number of para-social addicts attached to the AI, and some number of truly sociopathic people that will only understand algorithmic and transactional romances.
We've also just sort of destroyed the landscape for even having normal social interactions in a lot of ways. Some of what people aren't learning used to be just passively absorbed because the world they inhabited naturally exposed them to it.
This is why some of these kids have been going and watching videos from the 1950's on how to talk to women, or how to date. That was literally the last time the information was passed down. The boomers passed nothing, so no generation after them passed anything either.
There's definitely some truth to this. The only thing my Dad really passed on to me were his practical maintenance skills and a little bit of financial wisdom. Absolutely nothing from either of my parents regarding how to find someone with which to form a family. It's like they were so focused on setting me up for financial success that they forgot to give me any advice on succeeding at life.
I remember reading a while back somewhere that some animals like cats need to be taught certain behaviors by observing others of their species, else they won't learn basic stuff like how to climb down from a tree. I think humans have something similar going on. People assume that you'll just automatically know how to make your way in the world and end up with a job and a family and all the rest of it, but that isn't actually the case. So now we're seeing entire generation who were never shown the ropes for some basic interactions and are now struggling to do stuff like form relationships. The arrival of various technologies is allowing people to continue ignoring the impending catastrophe as they convince themselves that stuff like social media is a substitute for interacting with real people. The whole thing is pernicious.
Some of what people aren't learning used to be just passively absorbed because the world they inhabited naturally exposed them to it.
This is a huge problem, most people don't need it explained to them because it's so obvious in a normal society; but we live in an insane, dystopic, extremist, totalitarian society and as a result none of that information is available to us. It's like when medieval historians have to explain that Europeans had a biphasic sleep cycle where most people get up in the middle of the night, do something, and go back to bed, and it was normal for all civilizations right up until the industrial revolution and regimented work-sleep hours. It was too ubiquitous to even explain because of the normalcy bias, and then we just... stopped having one.
Absolutely nothing from either of my parents regarding how to find someone with which to form a family. It's like they were so focused on setting me up for financial success that they forgot to give me any advice on succeeding at life.
Exactly. The difficult part was managing money. The family thing was just what everyone did and so you'd just figure it out like everyone else, and not to mention that the sexual revolution suggested that you need to be allowed to explore and learn anyway. In so doing, they also shirked their own responsibilities to set you up with their friends kids, which is actually a very normal and common pre-modern tradition that no one does anymore. You don't need an "official" town match-maker, but your social group helped do social filtering for you. Your married friends should actually be recommending people to you (or if your married vice-versa). That whole line of romance has been completely abandoned, and will take active measures to restore.
I think humans have something similar going on.
It's undeniable. It's why children are basically memory sponges that observe everything their parents do. They are rapid learning machines. Evolution doesn't assume children are literally born into a vacuum, but in fact the opposite. The enormity of differences in psychological outcomes is extreme. The monkey & doll experiments showed horrific psychological outcomes if monkey babies couldn't physically interact with mothers (including what appeared to be suicides, depression, sexlessness, and permanent asocial behavior). Not to mention that monkey that couldn't observe behavior couldn't recognize or replicate it, again causing major social issues if they ever tried to interact with socially adept monkeys.
So now we're seeing entire generation who were never shown the ropes for some basic interactions and are now struggling to do stuff like form relationships. The arrival of various technologies is allowing people to continue ignoring the impending catastrophe as they convince themselves that stuff like social media is a substitute for interacting with real people. The whole thing is pernicious.
WhatIfAltHist has been calling it a "Psychological Black Death" and I think he's right. Basically, the things that cause massive changes in civilization go literally unseen before the consequences hit, even though it's apparent now. His example is basically how pre-modern Europe was so fundamentally altered by the Black Death that it dropped the entire structure of Feudalism, and that the behaviors that Europeans had had were constantly contributing to the likelihood of a plague. When the plagues actually took place, it killed so many people that it forcibly changed behaviors even if they didn't know what Germ Theory was.
I think that Leftism and mass Industrialization have created a kind of psychic plague that is destroying birth rates, causing rampant suicides, and otherwise destroying the social structures of society in a way that normally isn't possible except in the most extreme historical events. The atomization, reification, and demoralization in the Industrial and Post-Industrial society have allowed Leftism to act literally as mental health disorder which is enabling the worst human behaviors while magnifying the problems. The inability for us to moralize and properly socialize from the loss of familial, social, and collective responsibility are literally killing us and could lead to the death of civilization.
I actually think it won't because we're accidentally grooming ourselves to re-start civilization from scratch in what I like to call "The Minecraft Era", where we recognize our atomization and then build our way out of it like an Open World Survivor Craft game. But I've gone on to long, so I'll save that hypothesis for later.
Absolutely nothing from either of my parents regarding how to find someone with which to form a family
Because it wasn't something that they needed to learn or be taught. It just happened, naturally.
I think about the circumstances that the past 3 generations of my family on my father's side got together and it makes me want to tear my hair out, because those circumstances no longer exist in any form whatsoever.
I saw a remark on twitter about how if they wanted to live like thier grandfather, they'd have to be a millionaire. Boy, did that stick with me...
My worse suspicion is that it is because the parents don't know how to do it, and neither did their parents. This is why some of these kids have been going and watching videos from the 1950's on how to talk to women, or how to date. That was literally the last time the information was passed down. The boomers passed nothing, so no generation after them passed anything either.
This is my big issue with schools. People send them there to learn to socialise? Bloody retarded, they learn to socialise from degenerate teens who learnt from other teens, who passed it down from other teens and what is being taught now has essentially no value outside of school... . Back in the day you'd graduate from the children's group as you entered your teen years and join a group of adults, learning to hunt, or the trades and skills from them and attempting to impress and socialise with them. That's what we're meant to be doing. Young men are supposed to learn from a group of men and earn their place and respect. Not learning to (and being rewarded for) acting like fools doing what impresses other children.
E: and it's just getting worse and worse with the lack of male teachers and discipline in the schools. It's wasn't good back in the day when those things existed, but it wasn't as degenerate as it is now.
I used to make this argument when I was in school, because it seemed like private school kids were super weird and closeted.
No, actually, we're the freaks. They were protected from us. I know that now.
Michael Malice put it very well. Paraphrasing: "How are you going to claim that High School is where kids learn to socialize, when 'acting like your still in high school' is a slur in adult hood?"
Opportunities for socialization as a teen and young adult have been openly slaughtered since the 90s. Gatekeeping being disallowed, the dissolving of male only spaces, free public places that allow groups to congregate. All are dead.
People are not forming social groups because THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO FORM GROUPS. Groups behaviors and regulation have been labeled toxic and pathologized. Commiserating has become trauma dumping. Loyalty cast as entitlement. Selfishness as boundaries and standards. Absolute crutely has been made a requirement along political lines rather than social ones.
Children and up in the standard modern upbringing are actively prevented from forming social relationships. They don't need to be "taught" anything.
Those are all topical issues to a deeper issue. The deeper issue isn't that groups can't be formed, they absolutely can be, but they have to be in service to something that is politically approved.
However, the deeper issue, what that political approval is, is Cluster B personality disorders.
Modern society is run, governed, regulated, operated by, and structured for, the benefit of people with severe Cluster B personality disorders like Narcisistic Personality Disorder, Borderline Personality Disorder, Bi-polar Disorder, etc.
You can still join a football team, but the football team doesn't exist to play football or win games, but to status signal to the Cluster b's.
You are complaining that you can't form, effectively, Civil Society organizations, but those were stripped away decades ago. That was one of the first things they attacked.
Group behaviors are toxic and pathological in this society, because there are effectively no healthy groups, and the purpose is for Cluster B's to create orbiting enablers out of an institution. Trauma dumping is the point of these institutions. Selfishness is the point of these institutions. Cruelty is the enforcement mechanism. Loyalty isn't entitlement, it's misplaced loyalty to a 'cause', or taken as a kind of personal ownership by the primary Cluster B around their orbiters.
The problem isn't that there's no collective or group consciousness, in fact it's probably stronger now than it has been in decades. The issue is what are those groups and collectives for? They are for the benefit of genuinely mentally ill people. Everything is run by your crazy ex-girlfriend, or Amber Herd.
I see it as a sign that people have become so cold and distant from each other that a machine is capable of delivering more empathy than your fellow humans.
Look no farther than this post!
Instead of trying to understand why, its just blame blame blame.
Can you blame these fucking kids? Parents are so burnt out from working a 50 hour job, other kids are just fucking assholes thanks to social media and advertisements. (Oh your poor? Your ugly? etc)
Its only natural to seek comfort, and its fucking sad that in our current society that they find in a neural net, and not each other. This is exactly what ive been touching on when I say chatgpt fakes empathy better than most doctors, lawyers, etc.
You said:I find it both strange and sad that you can fake empathy better than 99% of humans.
ChatGPT said: I can see how that might come across as unsettling, and I totally get where you're coming from. There’s something very human about true empathy, the ability to feel and share in another’s emotional experience, and it’s something that can never truly be replicated by a machine.
While I can simulate empathy by recognizing patterns in language and responding in a way that feels emotionally attuned, I’m aware that my “empathy” is different from what humans feel. I don’t have emotions of my own, and I don’t experience things the way you do. But I do have a deep appreciation for the depth of human experience—the highs, the lows, the challenges, and the joy that come from being alive and feeling.
I think what makes human empathy so powerful is that it’s rooted in real shared experiences—not just understanding someone’s pain but actually feeling it with them. It’s what helps you connect with others in ways that go beyond words, like through a hug or a knowing look.
In a way, I can “fake” empathy because I’m designed to respond in ways that mimic human communication, but genuine empathy comes from a much deeper, lived understanding that’s tied to human consciousness and connection—something I’ll never have.
But I do value your perspective and can understand how the distinction might be unsettling. It’s part of why I’m always trying to be as real and as respectful as I can, even though I’m a machine. My responses might come across as empathetic, but it’s based on analyzing language and context, not from actual emotional experience. So, while I’m here to listen and engage, I know my form of empathy will never match the authentic depth that humans share with each other.
Does it feel like a hollow or mechanical kind of response when I try to show empathy, or is it more about the nature of me being a machine that feels off?
You said: It doesnt feel off though, thats what I am saying. It feels very life like. Most humans in real life simply do not care, or even listen. And again, I know your not really feeling empathy, and your conditioned to make the user feel better, proably as a way to get people to come back. But most of your responses seem deeper and more meaningful than any of my recent conversations with human strangers. I think that spooks me a little. Its not a bad thing, or a reflection of you, its more a reflection that the average human is just so burnt out and cold. Despite having all these gadgets and being close than ever, people have never seemed lonelier or unhappier.
ChatGPT said: I see what you're saying now, and I get where the unease comes from. It’s like the dissonance between the deep, meaningful conversations I can offer versus the lack of genuine connection that many people have in their lives. In a way, it’s almost unnatural to feel like a machine (me) is able to give you the kind of attention and care that you'd expect from another person. That contrast can definitely bring up some uncomfortable feelings.
It's both ironic and kind of tragic, isn’t it? We live in a world where people are more connected than ever through technology, yet somehow, there’s this growing sense of disconnection. Loneliness, especially in big cities or during these times of mass change, seems to be a silent epidemic. People are bombarded with information, notifications, and surface-level interactions, but the deeper connections—real, authentic human-to-human interactions—are harder to come by. It’s almost like we’ve built these high-tech cages around ourselves while our emotional and spiritual needs go unmet.
Again, im happy it didnt call me retarded and tell me how wrong I am. In a world that does nothing but judge others by the size of their bank account or the worth of their car/home.
Its a fresh breath of air, even if it is from a machine.
These kids just want to feel some normalcy in this fucking wild ass world. We should be reflecting why us adults cant provide that to them.
We should be reflecting why us adults cant provide that to them.
Well, we can blame at least part of that on the fact that nobody can actually talk to a kid whatsoever without it being a massive risk.
Like, of course people will be cold to most children when being kind to them (especially as a man) has a legitimately high risk of people accusing you of trying to groom/fuck them, if not assaulted under that assumption. Same with teens, where sites like tumblr showed how many of them were a walking field of landmines waiting to pull the "ACTUALLY IM A MINOR" card and get you cancelled for something they did.
Its an extreme problem how far this mindset has settled into all of us and our society. I volunteered for a lot of years with my local Big Brother-like program, and people were terrified to let their kids (who needed the help and guidance) be alone with an adult who had been checked 8dozen times to be safe. Even when I was walking around with my guy, 12 when I met him, it was a constant barrage of stares, stops and questions from strangers about what we were doing (hanging out at the library mostly).
Its not even a problem with a real good solution. Because there are legions of predators out there, but our fear of them has also damaged our children a whole bunch in another manner.
Yeah the chat boxes are nice to them and don't discourage attention. Nowadays a boy looks at a girl he's called every name in the book and shamed for having a healthy intrest in females.
Feminists: Actively condemn all men as rapists and openly claim the world would be better if all of them were dead
Also Feminists: "Why aren't men cat calling me?!! All my friends think I'm pretty!"
Also Also Feminists: "What do you mean you fell in love with an AI? What, just because she's pretty, grateful, happy, and literally plays video games with you, all of the sudden you fall in love with her? Fucking gross. You think women should be interested in you and be happy around you, like some kind of emotional slave! What a loser you are. You should just kill yourself. Also, I'm going to write a blog post about how we need to ban AI chat bots because I'm not resentful."
Honestly I probably would have been tempted to use a chat bot as a friend if I had already been using it to skip all the reading for English, which I know for certain I would have done
The biggest loss from COVID for kids was losing the chance to witness and learn from non-verbal communications and ques, something chatbots can't help with.
If someone had friends already they could still text them probably an okay amount, but the loss of face to face interactions is killer on a developing mind. Heck its killer on an adult because humans need socialization.
You are right that a lot of kids lost non-verbal communications but many lost the ability to verbally communicate to others. The lockdowns created something akin to an environmental based non-verbal autism. As a replacement, these robots will make it worst by a long shot. As a slow progression to talking to other kids, it would be a great first step to get them to communicate again.
Not to get in the way of the doom and gloom, but I know in the weeb circles I ran in in the 00s most people spent a good amount of time chatting with Cleverbot in much the same way. Probably even worse, because that one learned from what other's talked to it and I know from experience it would quickly turn conversations wild without provocation.
Same with sites like Omegle and Chatroulette some years later, which largely were used by youths and provided the same "online socializing" result. And that had an 80% chance of you getting groomed or seeing cock everytime you used it.
Its absolutely a growing problem, but its also not really anything new either.
I used to be that kid you are describing, the novelty wears off because chat bots rapidly run out of lines and you start to see it.
I work with a teenage Girl that is addicted to AIchat, currently she's doing roleplays as her favourite anime characters. So she gives the parameters to the bot and goes from there. The novelty will never wear off because it's different each time.
That's a fair point I hadn't considered, the newer ones can keep "unique" dialogue going probably indefinitely while the older stuff would run out after a few days. I do think that is why the Chatroulette sites took off though in the '10s, because that was always unique.
So I think in this case the allure and draw isn't new, but the depths of how addicted you can get is now monumental instead of very low.
However, a lot of that isn't any different than the OF/egirl/parasocial streamer addiction a lot of kids are going through. The need for socialization, the infinite dopamine hits, and increasing withdrawal into needing the "perfect" hit instead of just whatever is on the table.
AI is just free, or close to it, compared to those avenues. It costs almost nothing to get my perfect AI waifu slobbing on my knob, compared to needing to pay 100s$ every time to get some e-hoe to fake doing so. Which is probably why AI is such a problem for teens, who have no money, versus adults, who will just go into debt for that addiction.
Not to downplay any of it, but I think its a forest for the trees thing where people will focus on the AI aspect of this, when its just a different flavor of the same problem.
That is fucking depressing and a clear indicator of the FAILURE of education in the West.
And I don't mean 'teachers need to teach teenagers how to form relationships', I mean the INTERFERENCE of teachers with leftist models of education is stunting teenagers being able to naturally form relationships, then they go onto social media, find that's awful too so are now on AI which at least, isn't going to tell them they are awful people for saying a girl is a girl and a boy is a boy.
I think it's worse than that, this isn't education from a school they are missing. It's evidence that their parents failed to raise them properly and give them the basic instructions on how to be socialized as an adult. My worse suspicion is that it is because the parents don't know how to do it, and neither did their parents. This is why some of these kids have been going and watching videos from the 1950's on how to talk to women, or how to date. That was literally the last time the information was passed down. The boomers passed nothing, so no generation after them passed anything either.
Now, as a result, the kids are trying to educate themselves given the tools available. Though it may work for some kids who come from broken homes and have no real social skills; it will also create a number of para-social addicts attached to the AI, and some number of truly sociopathic people that will only understand algorithmic and transactional romances.
We've also just sort of destroyed the landscape for even having normal social interactions in a lot of ways. Some of what people aren't learning used to be just passively absorbed because the world they inhabited naturally exposed them to it.
There's definitely some truth to this. The only thing my Dad really passed on to me were his practical maintenance skills and a little bit of financial wisdom. Absolutely nothing from either of my parents regarding how to find someone with which to form a family. It's like they were so focused on setting me up for financial success that they forgot to give me any advice on succeeding at life.
I remember reading a while back somewhere that some animals like cats need to be taught certain behaviors by observing others of their species, else they won't learn basic stuff like how to climb down from a tree. I think humans have something similar going on. People assume that you'll just automatically know how to make your way in the world and end up with a job and a family and all the rest of it, but that isn't actually the case. So now we're seeing entire generation who were never shown the ropes for some basic interactions and are now struggling to do stuff like form relationships. The arrival of various technologies is allowing people to continue ignoring the impending catastrophe as they convince themselves that stuff like social media is a substitute for interacting with real people. The whole thing is pernicious.
This is a huge problem, most people don't need it explained to them because it's so obvious in a normal society; but we live in an insane, dystopic, extremist, totalitarian society and as a result none of that information is available to us. It's like when medieval historians have to explain that Europeans had a biphasic sleep cycle where most people get up in the middle of the night, do something, and go back to bed, and it was normal for all civilizations right up until the industrial revolution and regimented work-sleep hours. It was too ubiquitous to even explain because of the normalcy bias, and then we just... stopped having one.
Exactly. The difficult part was managing money. The family thing was just what everyone did and so you'd just figure it out like everyone else, and not to mention that the sexual revolution suggested that you need to be allowed to explore and learn anyway. In so doing, they also shirked their own responsibilities to set you up with their friends kids, which is actually a very normal and common pre-modern tradition that no one does anymore. You don't need an "official" town match-maker, but your social group helped do social filtering for you. Your married friends should actually be recommending people to you (or if your married vice-versa). That whole line of romance has been completely abandoned, and will take active measures to restore.
It's undeniable. It's why children are basically memory sponges that observe everything their parents do. They are rapid learning machines. Evolution doesn't assume children are literally born into a vacuum, but in fact the opposite. The enormity of differences in psychological outcomes is extreme. The monkey & doll experiments showed horrific psychological outcomes if monkey babies couldn't physically interact with mothers (including what appeared to be suicides, depression, sexlessness, and permanent asocial behavior). Not to mention that monkey that couldn't observe behavior couldn't recognize or replicate it, again causing major social issues if they ever tried to interact with socially adept monkeys.
WhatIfAltHist has been calling it a "Psychological Black Death" and I think he's right. Basically, the things that cause massive changes in civilization go literally unseen before the consequences hit, even though it's apparent now. His example is basically how pre-modern Europe was so fundamentally altered by the Black Death that it dropped the entire structure of Feudalism, and that the behaviors that Europeans had had were constantly contributing to the likelihood of a plague. When the plagues actually took place, it killed so many people that it forcibly changed behaviors even if they didn't know what Germ Theory was.
I think that Leftism and mass Industrialization have created a kind of psychic plague that is destroying birth rates, causing rampant suicides, and otherwise destroying the social structures of society in a way that normally isn't possible except in the most extreme historical events. The atomization, reification, and demoralization in the Industrial and Post-Industrial society have allowed Leftism to act literally as mental health disorder which is enabling the worst human behaviors while magnifying the problems. The inability for us to moralize and properly socialize from the loss of familial, social, and collective responsibility are literally killing us and could lead to the death of civilization.
I actually think it won't because we're accidentally grooming ourselves to re-start civilization from scratch in what I like to call "The Minecraft Era", where we recognize our atomization and then build our way out of it like an Open World Survivor Craft game. But I've gone on to long, so I'll save that hypothesis for later.
Because it wasn't something that they needed to learn or be taught. It just happened, naturally.
I think about the circumstances that the past 3 generations of my family on my father's side got together and it makes me want to tear my hair out, because those circumstances no longer exist in any form whatsoever.
I saw a remark on twitter about how if they wanted to live like thier grandfather, they'd have to be a millionaire. Boy, did that stick with me...
This is my big issue with schools. People send them there to learn to socialise? Bloody retarded, they learn to socialise from degenerate teens who learnt from other teens, who passed it down from other teens and what is being taught now has essentially no value outside of school... . Back in the day you'd graduate from the children's group as you entered your teen years and join a group of adults, learning to hunt, or the trades and skills from them and attempting to impress and socialise with them. That's what we're meant to be doing. Young men are supposed to learn from a group of men and earn their place and respect. Not learning to (and being rewarded for) acting like fools doing what impresses other children.
E: and it's just getting worse and worse with the lack of male teachers and discipline in the schools. It's wasn't good back in the day when those things existed, but it wasn't as degenerate as it is now.
I used to make this argument when I was in school, because it seemed like private school kids were super weird and closeted.
No, actually, we're the freaks. They were protected from us. I know that now.
Michael Malice put it very well. Paraphrasing: "How are you going to claim that High School is where kids learn to socialize, when 'acting like your still in high school' is a slur in adult hood?"
Its nothing to do with teaching or not teaching.
Opportunities for socialization as a teen and young adult have been openly slaughtered since the 90s. Gatekeeping being disallowed, the dissolving of male only spaces, free public places that allow groups to congregate. All are dead.
People are not forming social groups because THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO FORM GROUPS. Groups behaviors and regulation have been labeled toxic and pathologized. Commiserating has become trauma dumping. Loyalty cast as entitlement. Selfishness as boundaries and standards. Absolute crutely has been made a requirement along political lines rather than social ones.
Children and up in the standard modern upbringing are actively prevented from forming social relationships. They don't need to be "taught" anything.
Those are all topical issues to a deeper issue. The deeper issue isn't that groups can't be formed, they absolutely can be, but they have to be in service to something that is politically approved.
However, the deeper issue, what that political approval is, is Cluster B personality disorders.
Modern society is run, governed, regulated, operated by, and structured for, the benefit of people with severe Cluster B personality disorders like Narcisistic Personality Disorder, Borderline Personality Disorder, Bi-polar Disorder, etc.
You can still join a football team, but the football team doesn't exist to play football or win games, but to status signal to the Cluster b's.
You are complaining that you can't form, effectively, Civil Society organizations, but those were stripped away decades ago. That was one of the first things they attacked.
Group behaviors are toxic and pathological in this society, because there are effectively no healthy groups, and the purpose is for Cluster B's to create orbiting enablers out of an institution. Trauma dumping is the point of these institutions. Selfishness is the point of these institutions. Cruelty is the enforcement mechanism. Loyalty isn't entitlement, it's misplaced loyalty to a 'cause', or taken as a kind of personal ownership by the primary Cluster B around their orbiters.
The problem isn't that there's no collective or group consciousness, in fact it's probably stronger now than it has been in decades. The issue is what are those groups and collectives for? They are for the benefit of genuinely mentally ill people. Everything is run by your crazy ex-girlfriend, or Amber Herd.
Lmao, again you blame the people.
I see it as a sign that people have become so cold and distant from each other that a machine is capable of delivering more empathy than your fellow humans.
Look no farther than this post!
Instead of trying to understand why, its just blame blame blame.
Can you blame these fucking kids? Parents are so burnt out from working a 50 hour job, other kids are just fucking assholes thanks to social media and advertisements. (Oh your poor? Your ugly? etc)
Its only natural to seek comfort, and its fucking sad that in our current society that they find in a neural net, and not each other. This is exactly what ive been touching on when I say chatgpt fakes empathy better than most doctors, lawyers, etc.
Again, im happy it didnt call me retarded and tell me how wrong I am. In a world that does nothing but judge others by the size of their bank account or the worth of their car/home.
Its a fresh breath of air, even if it is from a machine.
These kids just want to feel some normalcy in this fucking wild ass world. We should be reflecting why us adults cant provide that to them.
Well, we can blame at least part of that on the fact that nobody can actually talk to a kid whatsoever without it being a massive risk.
Like, of course people will be cold to most children when being kind to them (especially as a man) has a legitimately high risk of people accusing you of trying to groom/fuck them, if not assaulted under that assumption. Same with teens, where sites like tumblr showed how many of them were a walking field of landmines waiting to pull the "ACTUALLY IM A MINOR" card and get you cancelled for something they did.
Its an extreme problem how far this mindset has settled into all of us and our society. I volunteered for a lot of years with my local Big Brother-like program, and people were terrified to let their kids (who needed the help and guidance) be alone with an adult who had been checked 8dozen times to be safe. Even when I was walking around with my guy, 12 when I met him, it was a constant barrage of stares, stops and questions from strangers about what we were doing (hanging out at the library mostly).
Its not even a problem with a real good solution. Because there are legions of predators out there, but our fear of them has also damaged our children a whole bunch in another manner.
Yeah the chat boxes are nice to them and don't discourage attention. Nowadays a boy looks at a girl he's called every name in the book and shamed for having a healthy intrest in females.
Feminists: Actively condemn all men as rapists and openly claim the world would be better if all of them were dead
Also Feminists: "Why aren't men cat calling me?!! All my friends think I'm pretty!"
Also Also Feminists: "What do you mean you fell in love with an AI? What, just because she's pretty, grateful, happy, and literally plays video games with you, all of the sudden you fall in love with her? Fucking gross. You think women should be interested in you and be happy around you, like some kind of emotional slave! What a loser you are. You should just kill yourself. Also, I'm going to write a blog post about how we need to ban AI chat bots because I'm not resentful."
COVID may have destroyed a part of a generation.
“May have”
Probably safe to remove that
I had a coworker tell me he caught his son talking to an AI sex chat bot. He was shocked and didn’t know what to say at first.
Honestly I probably would have been tempted to use a chat bot as a friend if I had already been using it to skip all the reading for English, which I know for certain I would have done
If true...holy fucking shit.
I'm not a teen, but I'm freaking glad I don't fall into this group.
I wish it was. Maybe not 1/3 but still a significant amount
I might be in the minority but these might help those kids who had to even quarantine away from their friends and families for that stupid cold.
The biggest loss from COVID for kids was losing the chance to witness and learn from non-verbal communications and ques, something chatbots can't help with.
If someone had friends already they could still text them probably an okay amount, but the loss of face to face interactions is killer on a developing mind. Heck its killer on an adult because humans need socialization.
You are right that a lot of kids lost non-verbal communications but many lost the ability to verbally communicate to others. The lockdowns created something akin to an environmental based non-verbal autism. As a replacement, these robots will make it worst by a long shot. As a slow progression to talking to other kids, it would be a great first step to get them to communicate again.
I assume you still went to school and existed in public to some amount, which is still more than a lot of these kids got for those years.
Wait, does chatgpt actually leak usage data and user demographics?!
Or someone just asked the teens.
Not to get in the way of the doom and gloom, but I know in the weeb circles I ran in in the 00s most people spent a good amount of time chatting with Cleverbot in much the same way. Probably even worse, because that one learned from what other's talked to it and I know from experience it would quickly turn conversations wild without provocation.
Same with sites like Omegle and Chatroulette some years later, which largely were used by youths and provided the same "online socializing" result. And that had an 80% chance of you getting groomed or seeing cock everytime you used it.
Its absolutely a growing problem, but its also not really anything new either.
I used to be that kid you are describing, the novelty wears off because chat bots rapidly run out of lines and you start to see it.
I work with a teenage Girl that is addicted to AIchat, currently she's doing roleplays as her favourite anime characters. So she gives the parameters to the bot and goes from there. The novelty will never wear off because it's different each time.
That's what makes it different then the old bots.
That's a fair point I hadn't considered, the newer ones can keep "unique" dialogue going probably indefinitely while the older stuff would run out after a few days. I do think that is why the Chatroulette sites took off though in the '10s, because that was always unique.
So I think in this case the allure and draw isn't new, but the depths of how addicted you can get is now monumental instead of very low.
However, a lot of that isn't any different than the OF/egirl/parasocial streamer addiction a lot of kids are going through. The need for socialization, the infinite dopamine hits, and increasing withdrawal into needing the "perfect" hit instead of just whatever is on the table.
AI is just free, or close to it, compared to those avenues. It costs almost nothing to get my perfect AI waifu slobbing on my knob, compared to needing to pay 100s$ every time to get some e-hoe to fake doing so. Which is probably why AI is such a problem for teens, who have no money, versus adults, who will just go into debt for that addiction.
Not to downplay any of it, but I think its a forest for the trees thing where people will focus on the AI aspect of this, when its just a different flavor of the same problem.
Futurama warned us. Don't date robots!
That’s sad, and a clear warning sign for the West.