I think it's worse than that, this isn't education from a school they are missing. It's evidence that their parents failed to raise them properly and give them the basic instructions on how to be socialized as an adult. My worse suspicion is that it is because the parents don't know how to do it, and neither did their parents. This is why some of these kids have been going and watching videos from the 1950's on how to talk to women, or how to date. That was literally the last time the information was passed down. The boomers passed nothing, so no generation after them passed anything either.
Now, as a result, the kids are trying to educate themselves given the tools available. Though it may work for some kids who come from broken homes and have no real social skills; it will also create a number of para-social addicts attached to the AI, and some number of truly sociopathic people that will only understand algorithmic and transactional romances.
We've also just sort of destroyed the landscape for even having normal social interactions in a lot of ways. Some of what people aren't learning used to be just passively absorbed because the world they inhabited naturally exposed them to it.
This is why some of these kids have been going and watching videos from the 1950's on how to talk to women, or how to date. That was literally the last time the information was passed down. The boomers passed nothing, so no generation after them passed anything either.
There's definitely some truth to this. The only thing my Dad really passed on to me were his practical maintenance skills and a little bit of financial wisdom. Absolutely nothing from either of my parents regarding how to find someone with which to form a family. It's like they were so focused on setting me up for financial success that they forgot to give me any advice on succeeding at life.
I remember reading a while back somewhere that some animals like cats need to be taught certain behaviors by observing others of their species, else they won't learn basic stuff like how to climb down from a tree. I think humans have something similar going on. People assume that you'll just automatically know how to make your way in the world and end up with a job and a family and all the rest of it, but that isn't actually the case. So now we're seeing entire generation who were never shown the ropes for some basic interactions and are now struggling to do stuff like form relationships. The arrival of various technologies is allowing people to continue ignoring the impending catastrophe as they convince themselves that stuff like social media is a substitute for interacting with real people. The whole thing is pernicious.
Some of what people aren't learning used to be just passively absorbed because the world they inhabited naturally exposed them to it.
This is a huge problem, most people don't need it explained to them because it's so obvious in a normal society; but we live in an insane, dystopic, extremist, totalitarian society and as a result none of that information is available to us. It's like when medieval historians have to explain that Europeans had a biphasic sleep cycle where most people get up in the middle of the night, do something, and go back to bed, and it was normal for all civilizations right up until the industrial revolution and regimented work-sleep hours. It was too ubiquitous to even explain because of the normalcy bias, and then we just... stopped having one.
Absolutely nothing from either of my parents regarding how to find someone with which to form a family. It's like they were so focused on setting me up for financial success that they forgot to give me any advice on succeeding at life.
Exactly. The difficult part was managing money. The family thing was just what everyone did and so you'd just figure it out like everyone else, and not to mention that the sexual revolution suggested that you need to be allowed to explore and learn anyway. In so doing, they also shirked their own responsibilities to set you up with their friends kids, which is actually a very normal and common pre-modern tradition that no one does anymore. You don't need an "official" town match-maker, but your social group helped do social filtering for you. Your married friends should actually be recommending people to you (or if your married vice-versa). That whole line of romance has been completely abandoned, and will take active measures to restore.
I think humans have something similar going on.
It's undeniable. It's why children are basically memory sponges that observe everything their parents do. They are rapid learning machines. Evolution doesn't assume children are literally born into a vacuum, but in fact the opposite. The enormity of differences in psychological outcomes is extreme. The monkey & doll experiments showed horrific psychological outcomes if monkey babies couldn't physically interact with mothers (including what appeared to be suicides, depression, sexlessness, and permanent asocial behavior). Not to mention that monkey that couldn't observe behavior couldn't recognize or replicate it, again causing major social issues if they ever tried to interact with socially adept monkeys.
So now we're seeing entire generation who were never shown the ropes for some basic interactions and are now struggling to do stuff like form relationships. The arrival of various technologies is allowing people to continue ignoring the impending catastrophe as they convince themselves that stuff like social media is a substitute for interacting with real people. The whole thing is pernicious.
WhatIfAltHist has been calling it a "Psychological Black Death" and I think he's right. Basically, the things that cause massive changes in civilization go literally unseen before the consequences hit, even though it's apparent now. His example is basically how pre-modern Europe was so fundamentally altered by the Black Death that it dropped the entire structure of Feudalism, and that the behaviors that Europeans had had were constantly contributing to the likelihood of a plague. When the plagues actually took place, it killed so many people that it forcibly changed behaviors even if they didn't know what Germ Theory was.
I think that Leftism and mass Industrialization have created a kind of psychic plague that is destroying birth rates, causing rampant suicides, and otherwise destroying the social structures of society in a way that normally isn't possible except in the most extreme historical events. The atomization, reification, and demoralization in the Industrial and Post-Industrial society have allowed Leftism to act literally as mental health disorder which is enabling the worst human behaviors while magnifying the problems. The inability for us to moralize and properly socialize from the loss of familial, social, and collective responsibility are literally killing us and could lead to the death of civilization.
I actually think it won't because we're accidentally grooming ourselves to re-start civilization from scratch in what I like to call "The Minecraft Era", where we recognize our atomization and then build our way out of it like an Open World Survivor Craft game. But I've gone on to long, so I'll save that hypothesis for later.
Absolutely nothing from either of my parents regarding how to find someone with which to form a family
Because it wasn't something that they needed to learn or be taught. It just happened, naturally.
I think about the circumstances that the past 3 generations of my family on my father's side got together and it makes me want to tear my hair out, because those circumstances no longer exist in any form whatsoever.
I saw a remark on twitter about how if they wanted to live like thier grandfather, they'd have to be a millionaire. Boy, did that stick with me...
My worse suspicion is that it is because the parents don't know how to do it, and neither did their parents. This is why some of these kids have been going and watching videos from the 1950's on how to talk to women, or how to date. That was literally the last time the information was passed down. The boomers passed nothing, so no generation after them passed anything either.
This is my big issue with schools. People send them there to learn to socialise? Bloody retarded, they learn to socialise from degenerate teens who learnt from other teens, who passed it down from other teens and what is being taught now has essentially no value outside of school... . Back in the day you'd graduate from the children's group as you entered your teen years and join a group of adults, learning to hunt, or the trades and skills from them and attempting to impress and socialise with them. That's what we're meant to be doing. Young men are supposed to learn from a group of men and earn their place and respect. Not learning to (and being rewarded for) acting like fools doing what impresses other children.
E: and it's just getting worse and worse with the lack of male teachers and discipline in the schools. It's wasn't good back in the day when those things existed, but it wasn't as degenerate as it is now.
I used to make this argument when I was in school, because it seemed like private school kids were super weird and closeted.
No, actually, we're the freaks. They were protected from us. I know that now.
Michael Malice put it very well. Paraphrasing: "How are you going to claim that High School is where kids learn to socialize, when 'acting like your still in high school' is a slur in adult hood?"
Opportunities for socialization as a teen and young adult have been openly slaughtered since the 90s. Gatekeeping being disallowed, the dissolving of male only spaces, free public places that allow groups to congregate. All are dead.
People are not forming social groups because THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO FORM GROUPS. Groups behaviors and regulation have been labeled toxic and pathologized. Commiserating has become trauma dumping. Loyalty cast as entitlement. Selfishness as boundaries and standards. Absolute crutely has been made a requirement along political lines rather than social ones.
Children and up in the standard modern upbringing are actively prevented from forming social relationships. They don't need to be "taught" anything.
Those are all topical issues to a deeper issue. The deeper issue isn't that groups can't be formed, they absolutely can be, but they have to be in service to something that is politically approved.
However, the deeper issue, what that political approval is, is Cluster B personality disorders.
Modern society is run, governed, regulated, operated by, and structured for, the benefit of people with severe Cluster B personality disorders like Narcisistic Personality Disorder, Borderline Personality Disorder, Bi-polar Disorder, etc.
You can still join a football team, but the football team doesn't exist to play football or win games, but to status signal to the Cluster b's.
You are complaining that you can't form, effectively, Civil Society organizations, but those were stripped away decades ago. That was one of the first things they attacked.
Group behaviors are toxic and pathological in this society, because there are effectively no healthy groups, and the purpose is for Cluster B's to create orbiting enablers out of an institution. Trauma dumping is the point of these institutions. Selfishness is the point of these institutions. Cruelty is the enforcement mechanism. Loyalty isn't entitlement, it's misplaced loyalty to a 'cause', or taken as a kind of personal ownership by the primary Cluster B around their orbiters.
The problem isn't that there's no collective or group consciousness, in fact it's probably stronger now than it has been in decades. The issue is what are those groups and collectives for? They are for the benefit of genuinely mentally ill people. Everything is run by your crazy ex-girlfriend, or Amber Herd.
I think it's worse than that, this isn't education from a school they are missing. It's evidence that their parents failed to raise them properly and give them the basic instructions on how to be socialized as an adult. My worse suspicion is that it is because the parents don't know how to do it, and neither did their parents. This is why some of these kids have been going and watching videos from the 1950's on how to talk to women, or how to date. That was literally the last time the information was passed down. The boomers passed nothing, so no generation after them passed anything either.
Now, as a result, the kids are trying to educate themselves given the tools available. Though it may work for some kids who come from broken homes and have no real social skills; it will also create a number of para-social addicts attached to the AI, and some number of truly sociopathic people that will only understand algorithmic and transactional romances.
We've also just sort of destroyed the landscape for even having normal social interactions in a lot of ways. Some of what people aren't learning used to be just passively absorbed because the world they inhabited naturally exposed them to it.
There's definitely some truth to this. The only thing my Dad really passed on to me were his practical maintenance skills and a little bit of financial wisdom. Absolutely nothing from either of my parents regarding how to find someone with which to form a family. It's like they were so focused on setting me up for financial success that they forgot to give me any advice on succeeding at life.
I remember reading a while back somewhere that some animals like cats need to be taught certain behaviors by observing others of their species, else they won't learn basic stuff like how to climb down from a tree. I think humans have something similar going on. People assume that you'll just automatically know how to make your way in the world and end up with a job and a family and all the rest of it, but that isn't actually the case. So now we're seeing entire generation who were never shown the ropes for some basic interactions and are now struggling to do stuff like form relationships. The arrival of various technologies is allowing people to continue ignoring the impending catastrophe as they convince themselves that stuff like social media is a substitute for interacting with real people. The whole thing is pernicious.
This is a huge problem, most people don't need it explained to them because it's so obvious in a normal society; but we live in an insane, dystopic, extremist, totalitarian society and as a result none of that information is available to us. It's like when medieval historians have to explain that Europeans had a biphasic sleep cycle where most people get up in the middle of the night, do something, and go back to bed, and it was normal for all civilizations right up until the industrial revolution and regimented work-sleep hours. It was too ubiquitous to even explain because of the normalcy bias, and then we just... stopped having one.
Exactly. The difficult part was managing money. The family thing was just what everyone did and so you'd just figure it out like everyone else, and not to mention that the sexual revolution suggested that you need to be allowed to explore and learn anyway. In so doing, they also shirked their own responsibilities to set you up with their friends kids, which is actually a very normal and common pre-modern tradition that no one does anymore. You don't need an "official" town match-maker, but your social group helped do social filtering for you. Your married friends should actually be recommending people to you (or if your married vice-versa). That whole line of romance has been completely abandoned, and will take active measures to restore.
It's undeniable. It's why children are basically memory sponges that observe everything their parents do. They are rapid learning machines. Evolution doesn't assume children are literally born into a vacuum, but in fact the opposite. The enormity of differences in psychological outcomes is extreme. The monkey & doll experiments showed horrific psychological outcomes if monkey babies couldn't physically interact with mothers (including what appeared to be suicides, depression, sexlessness, and permanent asocial behavior). Not to mention that monkey that couldn't observe behavior couldn't recognize or replicate it, again causing major social issues if they ever tried to interact with socially adept monkeys.
WhatIfAltHist has been calling it a "Psychological Black Death" and I think he's right. Basically, the things that cause massive changes in civilization go literally unseen before the consequences hit, even though it's apparent now. His example is basically how pre-modern Europe was so fundamentally altered by the Black Death that it dropped the entire structure of Feudalism, and that the behaviors that Europeans had had were constantly contributing to the likelihood of a plague. When the plagues actually took place, it killed so many people that it forcibly changed behaviors even if they didn't know what Germ Theory was.
I think that Leftism and mass Industrialization have created a kind of psychic plague that is destroying birth rates, causing rampant suicides, and otherwise destroying the social structures of society in a way that normally isn't possible except in the most extreme historical events. The atomization, reification, and demoralization in the Industrial and Post-Industrial society have allowed Leftism to act literally as mental health disorder which is enabling the worst human behaviors while magnifying the problems. The inability for us to moralize and properly socialize from the loss of familial, social, and collective responsibility are literally killing us and could lead to the death of civilization.
I actually think it won't because we're accidentally grooming ourselves to re-start civilization from scratch in what I like to call "The Minecraft Era", where we recognize our atomization and then build our way out of it like an Open World Survivor Craft game. But I've gone on to long, so I'll save that hypothesis for later.
Because it wasn't something that they needed to learn or be taught. It just happened, naturally.
I think about the circumstances that the past 3 generations of my family on my father's side got together and it makes me want to tear my hair out, because those circumstances no longer exist in any form whatsoever.
I saw a remark on twitter about how if they wanted to live like thier grandfather, they'd have to be a millionaire. Boy, did that stick with me...
This is my big issue with schools. People send them there to learn to socialise? Bloody retarded, they learn to socialise from degenerate teens who learnt from other teens, who passed it down from other teens and what is being taught now has essentially no value outside of school... . Back in the day you'd graduate from the children's group as you entered your teen years and join a group of adults, learning to hunt, or the trades and skills from them and attempting to impress and socialise with them. That's what we're meant to be doing. Young men are supposed to learn from a group of men and earn their place and respect. Not learning to (and being rewarded for) acting like fools doing what impresses other children.
E: and it's just getting worse and worse with the lack of male teachers and discipline in the schools. It's wasn't good back in the day when those things existed, but it wasn't as degenerate as it is now.
I used to make this argument when I was in school, because it seemed like private school kids were super weird and closeted.
No, actually, we're the freaks. They were protected from us. I know that now.
Michael Malice put it very well. Paraphrasing: "How are you going to claim that High School is where kids learn to socialize, when 'acting like your still in high school' is a slur in adult hood?"
Its nothing to do with teaching or not teaching.
Opportunities for socialization as a teen and young adult have been openly slaughtered since the 90s. Gatekeeping being disallowed, the dissolving of male only spaces, free public places that allow groups to congregate. All are dead.
People are not forming social groups because THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO FORM GROUPS. Groups behaviors and regulation have been labeled toxic and pathologized. Commiserating has become trauma dumping. Loyalty cast as entitlement. Selfishness as boundaries and standards. Absolute crutely has been made a requirement along political lines rather than social ones.
Children and up in the standard modern upbringing are actively prevented from forming social relationships. They don't need to be "taught" anything.
Those are all topical issues to a deeper issue. The deeper issue isn't that groups can't be formed, they absolutely can be, but they have to be in service to something that is politically approved.
However, the deeper issue, what that political approval is, is Cluster B personality disorders.
Modern society is run, governed, regulated, operated by, and structured for, the benefit of people with severe Cluster B personality disorders like Narcisistic Personality Disorder, Borderline Personality Disorder, Bi-polar Disorder, etc.
You can still join a football team, but the football team doesn't exist to play football or win games, but to status signal to the Cluster b's.
You are complaining that you can't form, effectively, Civil Society organizations, but those were stripped away decades ago. That was one of the first things they attacked.
Group behaviors are toxic and pathological in this society, because there are effectively no healthy groups, and the purpose is for Cluster B's to create orbiting enablers out of an institution. Trauma dumping is the point of these institutions. Selfishness is the point of these institutions. Cruelty is the enforcement mechanism. Loyalty isn't entitlement, it's misplaced loyalty to a 'cause', or taken as a kind of personal ownership by the primary Cluster B around their orbiters.
The problem isn't that there's no collective or group consciousness, in fact it's probably stronger now than it has been in decades. The issue is what are those groups and collectives for? They are for the benefit of genuinely mentally ill people. Everything is run by your crazy ex-girlfriend, or Amber Herd.