Hilarious to see all the cucks jumping back on board "DEALMAKER in Chief"
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America is not the world police, and it's not America's responsibility or right to destroy another sovereign country's power plants just because. Imperialism and meddling in foreign affairs will be the death of America.
No argument here.
At this point my logic boils down to this: We are broke. We have a cost of living crisis with housing specifically becoming unobtainable for young people. We have health care shortages for actual surgeries and procedures. We have rampant illegal and legal immigration causing dysfunction. Our education system is crumbling and teaches us to hate ourselves.
In this situation, what argument can be made to spend billions of dollars, that the fed has to print which will devalue ALL of OUR money more, to bomb people on the other side of the world?
Every nation meddles in every other nations affairs.
As for whether america has the responsibility or right, it depends on whether leaders think its a net positive to do so. If america could go back and bomb china before it has nukes, should it do so? North korea? Pakistan?
People need to realise countries arent like people and do not play by the same guidelines towards other countries
Spoken like a person who does not have to pay taxes.
The government can meddle in other nations affairs when they stop meddling with my wallet.
I pay taxes but it's really got nothing to do with this. Whether you pay taxes or not, almost every single nation in the world is just going to keep meddling with other nations.
Just a lame attempt to do some backhand shaming 'hurr durr, you so poor' which doesn't even make sense
Unless you shrink the federal government to the point where it simply does not have the resources to do so.
No, more like, "you seem really ignorant."
Do you often struggle like this? Maybe I'm not wrong.
If you shrink the federal budget to avoid doing so, you're just going to make it so others will meddle with you while you can't meddle with others.
It's like shrinking the army so that you can have peace. It doesn't work that way
Yeah, i'm the ignorant one who thinks shrinking the federal budget will somehow make other countries stop meddling with other countries. -_- What a genius idea., Next if we print enough money, we can stop poverty
Yea, so the big dog has to bully medium dogs when the small dog wants them to.
If you want to think of it that way. Countries have also historically listened to the vatican which is a smaller country than most of europe and waged wars which they wanted.
As it is, right now both israel and iran got bombs lobbed at them, and casualties. USA is the only one who got to lob bombs and then walk back with no damage. If you want to think of that as USA suddenly cucking to Israel despite decades long call from both parties to stop Iran from getting nukes then so be it. You can't really rationalise yourself out of a position you use emotions to get into
We are broke. Stop debt spending our future away for bombs today.
The ironic part is you can’t stop spending on military because the wolves are just circling and looking for weakness. And because the last few years have been bad for the army, you might have to spend more just to make up for it
No. We have plenty of defensive military strength adequate for any conventional invasion.
I really doubt it. But why wait until being invaded
Because we aren't doing random wars because we maybe might be invaded. That in fact depletes our resources and our public support for military use.
if you have to fight on your own homeland, you've already lost. The civilians dying will be yours, the infrastructure being destroyed will be yours.
Just look at Iran and Ukraine
The only countries who are capable of invading us at the moment are Canada and Mexico. We could take them both on simultaneously and take them out in a week. There are zero reasons for us to continue fighting wars on Israel's behalf.
Actually I'd disagree in that it's not our right to destroy shit for other people's interests
There is no ceasefire, it is completely fabricated and I suspect israel is trying a ruse to cover and assassination.
Not out of the question in the slightest. They love to break ceasefires, and they love assassination.
But trump posted it on the tweeter. It must be true!
Truth social, its in the name. Pravda!
Charlie Kirk, Benny Johnson, Jack Posobiec, and others...all back to sucking Trump's dick.
Utterly pathetic. At least don't try to have it both ways.
I hope nothing more happens, and I hope this is "peace" (whatever that means), but I think it's a bit premature to celebrate, and I absolutely think the strike was unnecessary, no matter the outcome.
I don't care if Trump makes "peace," this was a blunder. I'm not throwing him out, but I'm also not going to pathetically crawl back and act like he did nothing wrong, that he's a genius, and it's all 4D chess.
Why bother criticizing him at all, if you're just going to turn around and bend over?
This is just making people on all sides look like fools.
No American money or lives should be lost in this shithole region. Somehow that makes me UNMAGA now.
You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists! You're not a real patriot! You hate America! REEEEEE!
Hah, like I said in the other thread, we have one user here who is coming in and downvoting all the comments.
What a pathetic faggot.
I tend to get 3-4 depending on the comment or post. No idea why.
It’s people who think in black and white
Better than going to TD right now. They have auto-three-downvote bots at the ready.
Heck, you're lucky if it's not "Comment removed by community moderators."
Almost all my comments have been getting scrubbed. It's hilarious and sad.
MAGA does not want war. Faggot mods do.
That place is fucked right now. You will bow down to Israel in there.
Honestly, its the outcome literally anyone should have expected, as it tracks exactly with his history in the region. He reacts "unpredictably" and bombs the shit out of something for a day or so, then preens that an agreement was reached and stops. Whatever his reasoning is, its a consistent course he keeps taking because it must be working in his mind.
Its utterly retarded to do and we shouldn't have done it once let alone half a dozen times by now, but this kind of nonsense is par for the course with him. If Fat Boy Kim hadn't folded in an instant I'm sure he'd have done the same to Best Korea too. It was almost never going to be WW3, but it shouldn't have even be risked to begin with as basically nothing was accomplished beyond flexing.
Acting like this is for sure the final outcome is jumping the gun a bit, in my opinion. Hopefully this is it, but it's not over yet.
They were signaling hard that they want regime change. America, the intel agencies, Israel, all of them. They want Iran in its current form gone.
Hopefully it ends here but, like I said, it's too early to celebrate.
And I don't think there will ever be anything to celebrate about this, since we'd be in nearly the exact same position if Trump hadn't done this.
It's all propaganda.
Sound about right.
Nothing is certain, but we have numerous actual incidents prior as evidence of Trump's MO in these regards and how he carries them out.
So both the people freaking about WW3 for sure, and those acting like "War in the Middle East is the TRUE MAGA AND YOU GOTTA SUPPORT IT" were the ones jumping the gun. Cautious fear and loud decrying of the incident itself sure, but we at least knew what he was going to try and do based on history.
There is nothing to celebrate, as it was a retarded move that gained us basically nothing, but its not the end of America either.
I'm not coming back, Trump has lost me for good, and so has the Republican party. Until I see someone get dead fucking serious about reducing Jewish influence on American politics, I'm out. From now until then, I am a straight write in Beelzebub ticket, at every level. Unlike others, I won't be staying home, though, because then my ballot can be used for fraud.
I've voted in every election since 1994, and I am DONE.
Watching trump appoint a j investment banker to head his transition team I knew we were cucked.
Ditto
Even MTG (Thank you, President Trump, for pursuing peace!) and, to some extent Tucker Carlson (Thank God. & his recent episode titles "Thank God Trump Brokered a Ceasefire. That’s the Last Thing Mark Levin Wanted.") are pretending to buy the "Trump created peace" narrative. Absolutely embarrassing.
They're all using Mark Levin as a foil, and saying they owned the neocons because Levin is (as always) a livid retard.
They're not fully backtracking, but they are buying the "Trump is creating peace" narrative. Even though nothing has really changed.
As long as Israel exists, there will no peace in that region.
The only thing that might work is repopulating the region with Hellenistic Greeks like Alexander did.
Repopulating the region with Romans also worked when Hadrien did it.
There's a legit possibility the fighting could stop for a bit. Iran is now acknowledging a possible ceasefire.
https://nitter.poast.org/PressTV/status/1937313622083940357#m
However, it appears they also launched more missiles at Israel after that tweet, so who knows?
Remember though, Israel started this war to stop Iran from getting nukes. According to Vance, that has only been delayed. I haven't seen anything saying Iran agreed to dismantle its program. Trump and the shills would be touting that.
Israel has failed. A nuclear Iran yet looms. The objective of the war remains incomplete. Expect more war.
An astute observer might wonder why people who were so adamant that Iran's nuclear program be destroyed are now doing a victory lap despite that goal not being accomplished. They're just shills and lemmings who fall for them. They've been given marching orders to reify this outcome into blind trust for Trump and to close MAGA's ranks.
The only war lesson from history that I know is to start wars with war aims as small as is reasonably possible. Bismarck is considered a towering genius for making peace with Austria after Koniggratz, while Napoleon III is considered a bitch for making peace after Magenta. Almost the exact same situation, exact same thing happened, but the latter stopped short of his war aims while the former did not.
Good analysis overall - realistic, which is why people don't like it. I think you could say that Israel scored a significant tactical victory but perhaps a strategic defeat, depending on what happens.
Why would they, after seeing what we did to Libya after they disarmed? Plus they can see how we don't mess with North Korea or Pakistan. For all we talk about non-proliferation, our foreign policy sure gives a lot of incentives for developing nukes and using MAD.
As I've said elsewhere, I would not at all be surprised if there are gaping holes in Iran's chain of command right now. It's entirely possible the field commanders of Iran's missiles are not in communication with the government.
See, I think all the talk of 'regime change' was a diversion. It stretched the Overton Window. When people got worried about 'boots on the ground', like many people naively did here, anything short of that will sound good to them.
If I told these same people who are cheering this now, one month before, that Israel would make Trump its bitch, blow up the negotiations and kill the lead negotiator, stage a bombing run that killed almost as many people as on October 7, and then would goad Trump into bombing Iran, they'd been absolutely against it, but now they're relieved.
It's the Zelensky strategy. No matter how much he gets, he'll always demand more, which makes it look like what he is getting is the middle ground position. "We're not even giving PRESIDENT Zelensky what he is asking for even though his COUNTRY is fighting for us and the world's freedom."
I noticed that too, at the time even.
"Boots on the ground" is terrible, and I'd condemn it, but it's not the hard and fast red line some people think.
In some ways, engaging on war without boots on the ground can cause more anger and retaliation. If we're "just bombing" someone, they can't reach us. So they'll resort to terrorism. Boots on the ground at least gives them an enemy to fight.
I absolutely condemn boots on the ground. But I also condemn the actions that come before that.
Was just thinking about how Anwar Sadat started the 1973 war and this led to some positive outcomes, like peace with Israel and the return of Sinai, and that this might be similar.
The major difference was of course, as you say, that this was a bombing raid. And people really, really hate being bombed to an extent that the people in countries dishing it out probably have no idea. They don't mind something like bombing a nuclear facility quite as much, but the Iranians will try their best to connect America to what the Israelis did, which is reasonable because they were backing Israel to the hilt.
Bombing is so easy and normalized, with possible consequences so far in the future to not appear related, that it's been the solution to everything.
All this proves that we’re not going to war (yet) to satisfy our master, Israel.
"No, no, no. Master Trump totally 4D chessed you, and brought peace through strength. You just don't understand."
We can celebrate the accomplishment while still being mad about the whole thing in the first place. if the peace lasts, the situation will be miles better than Iraq or afghanistan. Still far from ideal, but better.
Still not quite clear on what was accomplished, though.
Oh, no argument. But that didn't make this necessary. Whether or not peace lasts (whatever that means, considering the region and its history), I don't think Trump did anything to shape the outcome in the direction of peace.
I absolutely and fucking completely agree that if nothing more dramatic kicks off that's a total win compared to Sand Wars Infinity: Retard Boogaloo, but that's different than praising Trump for not starting said Sand Wars.
Trump did nothing here, aside from an unprovoked aggressive bombing, and then taking credit for peace.
the accomplishment was ending the conflict, at least for now. this as opposed to creating another forever war like Iraq or Afghanistan.
You mean the conflict he needlessly started?
Yeah, again, I agree that's better than the alternative of continuing and starting a forever war, but I'm not going to praise him for it. Because all he had to do was literally nothing, and the outcome was as good or better.
HE didn’t start it, Israel did. It’s important to keep in mind.
True.
But Trump started America's direct part in it.
Israel started this particular wave of violence, and fuck them for it.
But Trump decided to jump in.
When I'm president, I'm also going to start wars so that I can be praised for ending them.
Israel started it. the conflict was gunning to go much longer, and it didn't. it's a small win, but it is a win
Israel may have started it, but Trump green-lit it.
This ending is a win, no doubt about it. This ended as well as I could have imagined when Trump started talking about how he was going to scoop up all the credit for 'winning' this, short of Iran being able to actually defend itself.
if memory serves, Israel sent their missiles to Iran while Trump was telling them not to. he was urging Israel to make a deal with iran, and it looks very much like Israel forced Trump's hand.
All this enabled is Israel is allowed to sucker-punch Iran whenever it wants to because America will help.
This is no different than what Serbia had with Russia, or Austria-Hungary had with Germany, or even Belgium had with the UK.
The smaller nation has the potential to lead the bigger nation into military force, the people’s will be damned.
The Donald is full of neocons and cultists who worship trump and believe he's infallible. This was a stupid, dumb fuck move that out Israel ahead of the USA. The optics are terrible and no matter how you slice it, trump committed an act of war in violation of the no new wars mandate.
What a moron.
Hilarious to see you still raging to try to justify your mental health episode, instead of just admitting you were wrong or shutting up.