You're usually somewhat reasonable, but your freakout over a zero boots on the ground takeout of sites that would lead to Iran, the country ran by people that consistently clamor for the death of America, getting a nuke is a bad show.
This kind of thing is exactly the surgical strike we should be doing against nutjobs trying to get nukes, regardless of any other nation. It's what we'd do to the Norks, it's what we should do if Cuba tries it again, it's what we should do if Mexico tries it - explicitly hostile powers that would ABSOLUTELY use nuclear weapons (because they're run by religious nuts whose pedo priest GLORIFIES SUICIDAL WAR) SHOULD NEVER GET NUKES.
Inb4 "but jeeeeeeewwwwws" Fuck Israel trying to drag us into shit, and we shouldn't let them have nukes either,
But REGARDLESS of Israel existing, no sane leader in the current world in Trump's position would tolerate nuclear proliferation to nutjobs like the Iranians. We shouldn't even be letting theoretical allied countries be getting nukes, let alone those fucks.
Exactly. Everyone in that region sucks ass, but we’re only going to war on behalf of one of them. It’s completely rational that we focus on that relationship is the greatest immediate problem.
We don't need to stop Iran from being Iran until they throw missiles at us. We DO need to stop them from getting nukes, because we would be required to stop Iran from being Iran, permanently, because they would use them. And that would cost a lot more than simply denying them nuclear capacity with a few targeted bombs.
An ounce of prevention saves a pound of cure. If they and Israel start shooting at eachother conventionally, we don't need to do anything.
We're defenseless against those missiles, and Israel turned into a crybaby the second they started to land.
IF Iran was 1/10th the country we've been told they would have used them in an aggressive manner, not just after they've been attacked. Since they've shown they're not willing to start shit for no reason - where does this "we DO need to stop them" come from?
Again, even if they did have them - they're still no threat to the US. That is simply a fact, further backed up by Iran's own actions in not starting shit.
The same can not be said about Israel, right? Again, IF the logic against Iran was correct, it is infinitely more correct in regards to Israel, thankfully for all, there is no logic in the notion.
Non nuclear missiles are an extremely minor threat to the US. We aren't weak or tiny like Israel, and we outmass Iran's conventional firepower by orders of magnitude.
Nukes are several orders of magnitude more threatening than conventional missiles, and don't even need to strike a target directly to do crippling damage to our power infrastructure. Most people haven't realized because of very good cover jobs, but our power infrastructure has been demonstrated to be very vulnerable.
Nuclear proliferation shouldn't be tolerated from a national security standpoint. Especially to hostile nations. If Iran shot a missile at us, they'd do negligible damage and quickly be bombed into the stone age. If they snuck a nuke through the southern border or sent one up to go off in the upper atmosphere, they could cause tens of thousands of dead, and severely damage our electrical grid or our satellite network.
Iran is an example of something I want to call the "Weak/strong Paradox." Where a country is both a dire threat to the entire world and also a weak punching bag that can be defeated effortlessly.
Basically with how badly Mossad seems to have fucked Iran, how can anyone with a straight face call this country any kind of global threat? It looks like a bunch of pro NBA players at the Olympics vs. The Kuwait Five.
"Iran is days away from the bomb we have to go in" -> "lol don't worry they are so stupid and poor it will be easy"
Iran is a shit stirrer. They can be hyperbolized into strength if they do a few dramatically stupid things right. That 5'1" guy who's an angry drunk is not necessarily a normal danger, but if he gets his hand on a gun and decides to rob a bank, he's probably more likely to kill innocent people than your average bank robber. That's kind of how I see Iran. Not an existential threat, but stupidly aggressive without the means to back it up unless they do something properly stupid.
No one in the region has detected any fallout yet and Iran had evacuated the facilities and moved their stockpiles quite a while ago according to their own statements.
They also said they shot down an F-35, and that this was because their air defense systems were capable of detecting them already.
That was a lie.
There were elevated radiation levels at these facilities already noted in previous decades. Now that's going to be because they are, in fact, nuclear facilities, but we're just going to have to wait on fallout data.
There were elevated radiation levels at these facilities already noted in previous decades. Now that's going to be because they are, in fact, nuclear facilities
Yeah no shit.
but we're just going to have to wait on fallout data.
It's been half a day. So far no one has detected anything. We don't even know if the facility itself even has been destroyed or even sustained serious damage. All we have is a couple of pictures showing a couple of small holes.
The Iranians on the ground have stated that the Fordow facility has taken massive damage. I saw a feed from NASA in a livestream last night that detected a fucking massive cloud erupting from the location of the facility. Another video emerged near one of the other 2 facilities which appear to have been struck by multiple tomahawks (the video shows only the sound of the impacts).
It is very likely that all 3 of the targets were hit, and have sustained significant damage. As with Chernobyl, it's going to take a few days for radioactive particles to spread around and get detected, so we shall see.
The Iranians on the ground have stated that the Fordow facility has taken massive damage.
Fordow is buried 90m below the ground. So unless the entire fucking mountain explodes you have no idea if and how badly the facility has been damaged. So please spare me with that propaganda bullshit.
It's very easy to create very large dust clouds in a desert. Just take a car and drive fast on a dusty road. People behind you are not going to be able to see you anymore.
I saw a feed from NASA in a livestream last night that detected a fucking massive cloud erupting from the location of the facility.
Like I already said, travel to a dry, dusty desert environment and see what happens if you blow shit up. Besides we already have satellite images. What we can see is six(?) holes. That's it. The mountain didn't explode. Assessing the damage to the facility in a depth of 90m from those photos is literally impossible.
EDIT: And if it had been an irradiated massive cloud everyone in the region could've detected the radiation.
Fordow is buried 90m below the ground. So unless the entire fucking mountain explodes you have no idea if and how badly the facility has been damaged. So please spare me with that propaganda bullshit
My friend, 6-8 near simultaneous 30,000 lbs penetrators (one on top of another to drill down), means that I don't know what's left of anything inside that mountain. I don't think you understand just how massive 30,000 lbs really is. That's not a normal bomb.
It's very easy to create very large dust clouds in a desert. Just take a car and drive fast on a dusty road. People behind you are not going to be able to see you anymore.
Yall are forgetting that obama was paying for them to develop nuclear weapons. I think alot of people are forgetting that tidbit. Now whether they were going to be successful or not is a different story
The guys who went full Fuentes mode can no longer process a viewpoint like "both countries are bad and we shouldn't be involved with them", they argue exactly the same way a transgender campus activist would except they use racial slurs instead of made up gender insults and compound Reddit cuss words.
Wait, isn’t Fuentes among the people who think we shouldn’t get involved because both countries suck? I don’t actually watch him or know wtf he says, but I’m assuming based on osmosis that he wants no American involvement.
Well whether they were or weren't, they aren't now. I still think non-proliferation is a lost cause. They could still buy one from Pakistan, Russia, or NK.
I have been waiting for this thread for YEARS. I warned you all that she was a snake. I can't wait to see how Antonio simps on this to protect his queen.
I mean, if she wants to keep her job and her career, why not at this point. They already bombed, the narrative is in place, there's no fighting it now. Might as well jump on board.
Provide covert assistance to Iran in developing nukes. Provide rocket systems to attack israel.
Hijack missile guidance system, hit major middle eastern capitals, oil fields and places like mecca, jerulsalem, etc with failing nukes that just 'fizz'.
"Iran developed missiles because it could not compete, then attacked the nations that had left it in AD 600. We will now remove all US troops and equipment from the middle east to focus on our own boders. Drill baby drill!"
Sell war footage on pay per view to get money back.
"Also, Epstein totally killed himself, don't look into it."
These monsters have been so absolutely beyond disappointing.
If Tulsi was the the woman she purported to be, she would have already resigned days ago. Or been fired yesterday or today, for raising a fuss.
Fuck you, Tulsi. You were a big part of this.
yep, she went back on the one (really fucking huge) thing she had going for her. Fuck Her
RKF is cracking down on artificial dyes (and, for some fucking weird-ass reason antisemitism), so I guess we got that, at least.
And, if I'm going to put a positive spin on things, Trump has been fucking nailing it on the border, to his credit. Legit win there.
But, yeah. Shame on Tulsi, shame on Trump, shame on Bongino, Patel, and all these fuckers. It's treason.
You're usually somewhat reasonable, but your freakout over a zero boots on the ground takeout of sites that would lead to Iran, the country ran by people that consistently clamor for the death of America, getting a nuke is a bad show.
This kind of thing is exactly the surgical strike we should be doing against nutjobs trying to get nukes, regardless of any other nation. It's what we'd do to the Norks, it's what we should do if Cuba tries it again, it's what we should do if Mexico tries it - explicitly hostile powers that would ABSOLUTELY use nuclear weapons (because they're run by religious nuts whose pedo priest GLORIFIES SUICIDAL WAR) SHOULD NEVER GET NUKES.
Inb4 "but jeeeeeeewwwwws" Fuck Israel trying to drag us into shit, and we shouldn't let them have nukes either,
But REGARDLESS of Israel existing, no sane leader in the current world in Trump's position would tolerate nuclear proliferation to nutjobs like the Iranians. We shouldn't even be letting theoretical allied countries be getting nukes, let alone those fucks.
Iranians have been the much more adult group in the room in the M.E over the last little while.
Not that how you charactorise them is untrue, its just that Israel has been SOOO much worse - and that is the elephant in the room.
Yes, Iran is horrible, mean, vile and looking for world domination.
But...
Israel is horrible, mean, vile and has been using the worlds super power clearing the way for world domination.
Americans can't stop Iran from being Iran, but we can stop Israel from using us like its barbarian shocktroops.
Exactly. Everyone in that region sucks ass, but we’re only going to war on behalf of one of them. It’s completely rational that we focus on that relationship is the greatest immediate problem.
We don't need to stop Iran from being Iran until they throw missiles at us. We DO need to stop them from getting nukes, because we would be required to stop Iran from being Iran, permanently, because they would use them. And that would cost a lot more than simply denying them nuclear capacity with a few targeted bombs.
An ounce of prevention saves a pound of cure. If they and Israel start shooting at eachother conventionally, we don't need to do anything.
We're defenseless against those missiles, and Israel turned into a crybaby the second they started to land.
IF Iran was 1/10th the country we've been told they would have used them in an aggressive manner, not just after they've been attacked. Since they've shown they're not willing to start shit for no reason - where does this "we DO need to stop them" come from?
Again, even if they did have them - they're still no threat to the US. That is simply a fact, further backed up by Iran's own actions in not starting shit.
The same can not be said about Israel, right? Again, IF the logic against Iran was correct, it is infinitely more correct in regards to Israel, thankfully for all, there is no logic in the notion.
Non nuclear missiles are an extremely minor threat to the US. We aren't weak or tiny like Israel, and we outmass Iran's conventional firepower by orders of magnitude.
Nukes are several orders of magnitude more threatening than conventional missiles, and don't even need to strike a target directly to do crippling damage to our power infrastructure. Most people haven't realized because of very good cover jobs, but our power infrastructure has been demonstrated to be very vulnerable.
Nuclear proliferation shouldn't be tolerated from a national security standpoint. Especially to hostile nations. If Iran shot a missile at us, they'd do negligible damage and quickly be bombed into the stone age. If they snuck a nuke through the southern border or sent one up to go off in the upper atmosphere, they could cause tens of thousands of dead, and severely damage our electrical grid or our satellite network.
Real like a 3 dollar bill
Look. I am willing to believe the intel changed.
So... let's see it.
Or, we could just test the fallout of the nuclear sites that we just bombed for U-235.
Iran is an example of something I want to call the "Weak/strong Paradox." Where a country is both a dire threat to the entire world and also a weak punching bag that can be defeated effortlessly.
Basically with how badly Mossad seems to have fucked Iran, how can anyone with a straight face call this country any kind of global threat? It looks like a bunch of pro NBA players at the Olympics vs. The Kuwait Five.
"Iran is days away from the bomb we have to go in" -> "lol don't worry they are so stupid and poor it will be easy"
Pick one.
Iran is a shit stirrer. They can be hyperbolized into strength if they do a few dramatically stupid things right. That 5'1" guy who's an angry drunk is not necessarily a normal danger, but if he gets his hand on a gun and decides to rob a bank, he's probably more likely to kill innocent people than your average bank robber. That's kind of how I see Iran. Not an existential threat, but stupidly aggressive without the means to back it up unless they do something properly stupid.
funny, that's also how I see Israel except they already have the gun
Genocidal apartheid israel is a terrorist state that has repeatedly done unprovoked attacks (literal terrorism) on all sovereign states in the area.
If anything, we should be bombing genocidal apartheid israel's nuclear sites so they can't threaten anyone more.
So has Iran. Whatever happened to all those Lebanese Christians?
No one in the region has detected any fallout yet and Iran had evacuated the facilities and moved their stockpiles quite a while ago according to their own statements.
They also said they shot down an F-35, and that this was because their air defense systems were capable of detecting them already.
That was a lie.
There were elevated radiation levels at these facilities already noted in previous decades. Now that's going to be because they are, in fact, nuclear facilities, but we're just going to have to wait on fallout data.
Yeah no shit.
It's been half a day. So far no one has detected anything. We don't even know if the facility itself even has been destroyed or even sustained serious damage. All we have is a couple of pictures showing a couple of small holes.
The Iranians on the ground have stated that the Fordow facility has taken massive damage. I saw a feed from NASA in a livestream last night that detected a fucking massive cloud erupting from the location of the facility. Another video emerged near one of the other 2 facilities which appear to have been struck by multiple tomahawks (the video shows only the sound of the impacts).
It is very likely that all 3 of the targets were hit, and have sustained significant damage. As with Chernobyl, it's going to take a few days for radioactive particles to spread around and get detected, so we shall see.
Fordow is buried 90m below the ground. So unless the entire fucking mountain explodes you have no idea if and how badly the facility has been damaged. So please spare me with that propaganda bullshit.
It's very easy to create very large dust clouds in a desert. Just take a car and drive fast on a dusty road. People behind you are not going to be able to see you anymore.
Like I already said, travel to a dry, dusty desert environment and see what happens if you blow shit up. Besides we already have satellite images. What we can see is six(?) holes. That's it. The mountain didn't explode. Assessing the damage to the facility in a depth of 90m from those photos is literally impossible.
EDIT: And if it had been an irradiated massive cloud everyone in the region could've detected the radiation.
My friend, 6-8 near simultaneous 30,000 lbs penetrators (one on top of another to drill down), means that I don't know what's left of anything inside that mountain. I don't think you understand just how massive 30,000 lbs really is. That's not a normal bomb.
Not one's that can be seen from space.
Those holes look like they might be the size of city blocks.
Please read up on the bunker busters so you know how these things actually work. They don't consist of 30,000lbs of explosives.
Uh-hu. Like smoke clouds from fires can't be seen from space.
Well now I know you haven't even seen the images.
https://x.com/47_phantom47/status/1936768534429753840
But please explain to me in what drug induced psychosis those are city block sized holes.
That was a HUGE F-35.
It was an F-35 that was basically larger than a Stratofortress.
I don't think she's a pedo so what, do Israelis threaten lives or the lives of family members?
There are all kinds of blackmail. LBJ was thereatned with election loss after israel bombed the USS Liberty.
LBJ was a hardcore Zionist Jew. At least get it right.
He was part of the tribe yes but he threatened to break ranks and they pulled his leash.
They threatened to make her marry TheImp.
a boy can only cry wolf so many times.
Yall are forgetting that obama was paying for them to develop nuclear weapons. I think alot of people are forgetting that tidbit. Now whether they were going to be successful or not is a different story
The guys who went full Fuentes mode can no longer process a viewpoint like "both countries are bad and we shouldn't be involved with them", they argue exactly the same way a transgender campus activist would except they use racial slurs instead of made up gender insults and compound Reddit cuss words.
Wait, isn’t Fuentes among the people who think we shouldn’t get involved because both countries suck? I don’t actually watch him or know wtf he says, but I’m assuming based on osmosis that he wants no American involvement.
His opinion is whatever would cause maximum infighting and lead to the worst possible outcome for America at any given moment.
A. Maybe and B. Who cares? Iran with nukes doesn't matter.
Well whether they were or weren't, they aren't now. I still think non-proliferation is a lost cause. They could still buy one from Pakistan, Russia, or NK.
The only country that has realistically threatened to use nukes since WW2 has been Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryMemes/comments/1718dmr/reminding_everyone_its_the_50_year_anniversary_of/
Oh yeah and you guys stole your nukes from us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNI7_u99rec
Sure Schlomo
I have been waiting for this thread for YEARS. I warned you all that she was a snake. I can't wait to see how Antonio simps on this to protect his queen.
Everyone has kompromat.
I mean, if she wants to keep her job and her career, why not at this point. They already bombed, the narrative is in place, there's no fighting it now. Might as well jump on board.
She is WEF... she was compromised from day 1
How to fix everything in the middle east:
Provide covert assistance to Iran in developing nukes. Provide rocket systems to attack israel.
Hijack missile guidance system, hit major middle eastern capitals, oil fields and places like mecca, jerulsalem, etc with failing nukes that just 'fizz'.
"Iran developed missiles because it could not compete, then attacked the nations that had left it in AD 600. We will now remove all US troops and equipment from the middle east to focus on our own boders. Drill baby drill!"
Sell war footage on pay per view to get money back.