Thought this was worth posting since hoe math is probably the best social commentary on sex relations right now.
When I think about the women I know who are real people, not programmed drones, and who actually know how to use their brain, this is the most salient difference I can find. You recognize that someone can really, truthfully love you and that love is more important than ideology.
Dear Every Feminist,
What you're referring to as "patriarchy" was actually "protecting you and taking care of you because you don't understand what the real world is because you have woman brain."
You didn't like it because your mind can't process things like "danger" and "consequences" until after they've already happened.
Most of you view reality as an appletini-flavored kitten playground by default, and all bad things that happen are because men made them happen. According to you, only men can make things happen. You know, like a child looks at a parent.
This is because we are your gods. Reality comes FROM men and happens TO women (according to you). You know, like worship. Also, everything you do is based on being more like us. Also like worship. Like how a kid wants to be his favorite sport star.
So when you see men neglecting to protect and provide for women now, it's because we used to do that until you started calling us evil and having us charged with crimes for it. You decided that our protection over you was actually harm towards people who are more important than us. Now it's not worth it anymore for more and more of us by the day.
So as men step back and let you play leader (which you will fail at because you don't know what the world is), more and more bad things will continue to happen to you, until you want us to stop them again.
The way you look to us right now is like you're playing checkers by moving the pieces according to the rules, and your opponent is playing checkers by stabbing you from across the board, and you respond by calling the police on ME for not teaching him checkers better.
You look absolutely insane to us because, again, you do not know what life is. You think life is yummy kindergarten puppy snuggles by default, and if anything bad ever happens, it is because MEN caused it. I must not have given your attacker enough checkers lessons! Because the only way anything can happen is through us, because, again, we are your gods.
So remember: men are not DOING bad things to you. You PUNISHED us for PREVENTING them. We WANTED to PROTECT you and you called it oppression! You badly damaged many of our lives for trying! A lot more than you'll ever understand!
It's not that you're dumb or inferior. It's that the vast majority of you simply can't process things like criminal justice or austerity because your minds are built for raising babies. Men think "that guy did a bad thing, lock him up," and feminists think "but that's my baby because he's stupid and helpless, so if we give him infinity love cookies, then he will grow all better. WHY AREN'T YOU GIVING MY BABY MORE COOKIES, ALMIGHTY ONE? THAT MEANS YOU ARE NOT THE GOOD GOD, SO YOU MUST BE THE BAD GOD!" (the educated will recognize this as BPD).
Good women are not women who think that they're more right than men about these things. A good woman is one who can say "this isn't my area" and trust her own men to make those decisions for her, just like good men trust women to decorate and listen carefully when you "get a feeling" about someone that you can't explain. It's your job to deal with feelings and it's our job to build and structure.
We don't have to be your gods (the source of every condition that happens to you and the model of what you should be). Most of us don't want to be.
You could just be women again. We can't do that for you. Believe it or not, your choices don't actually come from us!
Do you get it yet? Are you ready to rid yourself of the feminism psychosis? If you are, here's step 1:
Stop listening to people who don't care about you. Don't listen to them talk. At all. When you hear a tik tok or a TV show or a politician say something that gives you feelings, just ask yourself "does this person know who I am and love me?" Be serious about it, too. Your parents love you. Would Bernie Sanders sacrifice more for you than your parents would? Would the cranky tiktok feminist you're watching pick you up at the airport? If not, maybe you shouldn't start hating people who DO love you because of what your phone just said.
Start listening to people who actually care about you. Especially if they prove it! Once you realize how different the advice is that comes from people who love you and people who are just using you, it will go a long way to curing most of you of feminism.
You don't even have to admit that you were wrong! Just like... start behaving sane again. We'll act like nothing ever happened.
He could elaborate on that a little more, but feminists don't consider the state patriarchal since it's genderless or even increasingly female-gendered to them. Before 2025 there was some truth to that.
So they live in a weird pastiche of reality where they suck on the state's teat, yet sort of consider themselves part of the state as well and continue groping in the dark for someone to tell them "no."
Just the parts of the state they don't like are patriarchal.
Also, the state has taken over many functions of men, like welfare and child care. They don't need a man because they have the state. Which is funded by stealing, I mean taxing, men predominantly.
More like they don't think they need a man. They make themselves miserable with feminism and the lack they caused in their own lives drives them crazy.
Every time something doesn't go their way, they always want to use legislation to force the issue to "protect" them.
Someone called you a nigger online? Pass a law
Force businesses to stock tampons? Pass a law.
Not enough genders? Pass a law.
Can't pay for your school tuitions? Pass a law.
Catering to female mentality in government is extremely destructive. It results in a government that can't get out of its own fucking way because it's bogged down by all the faggotry that is needed to support their worldview. Who are the ones being simps for illegal aliens? The women. And the only women who are simps for them are the cunts that live in comfy rich towns where they'll never experience the consequences of their retarded actions.
The more you simp for women, the bigger the state grows.
He's a lot more censored on YT which is his moneymaker. Though his based takes occasionally bleed through.
He's a ranting madman on X with constant walls of text.
X unfortunately also reveals some of his less positive qualities. He whines constantly about being tired all the time, searches for relief with the latest New Age naturopathic BS, whines about being too busy to actually work and produce YT content despite being a single, middle-aged guy living alone with no dependents and doing it FT, being indecisive and crowdsourcing things like where to live for months, etc.
Hey, as the saying goes "never meet your heroes" sort of deal. I love him for what he does best. The rest is him on bs and it's him being foolish for sure. Just glad that what he focuses on to make money with, is something we can all walk away from better equipped a tiny bit
shrug So he's like most men his age now. I'm not gonna shame him for wanting to check out of how shitty society is.
And what he does isn't actually harmful compared to when a feminist defends their actions. Dude's just trying to stay away from the ills of society and at least he's not a degenerate fuck like Andrew Tate is.
I still like him, enjoy his content, particularly his edgy Twitter.
I just find him whiny wrt the little bit that he talks about his personal life.
His whole persona is an over-the-hill Chad-lite that used to smash consistently but now is past his prime, not as buff, way more blackpilled, etc. But he's put on a pedestal by younger and lesser SMV men who respect his current status and his cred from previously being a manwhore.
He's acquired that social media influencer disease where they made it, are making banking, went viral, etc. But struggle to put out consistent content while perpetually complaining to their brokeass audience how hard their fake YT job is.
He also used to do one-on-one virtual life coaching sessions. But from recent comments, this too fell by the wayside over the last year because this based guru doesn't actually follow through with most of what he says.
Hypnosis doesn't work like that. If you want we can discuss why. It is one of the tools in the box available, but it isn't particularly useful in this case because it is passive. A better approach would be to use EMDR to desensitize the feminist to their traumatic baggage, then have them participate in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy to deliberately retrain their thinking. CBT is hard work.
I agree that deprogramming is required. Most feminists have taken on "feminism" as part of their core identity. It will take intensive, skilled therapy to change their mind, and they will have to work their ass off for years.
Alternatives include tossing them into a survival situation and letting the feminist almost starve to death or something similarly high stress. Reality is non-negotiable to someone on the run from Congolese death squads or Boko Haram rapists or whatever. After that for a year or two they can reconsider their place in the world and reassess who they are; Probably with therapy.
There's a better version of EMDR called ART (what's with these gay acronyms) - it doesn't fuck people's brains up as quickly but I gotta admit, when I read about it it's the most weird ass out-there form of therapy I've ever seen.
Why would a skilled therapist take less care with EMDR than with hypnosis? I agree that it is powerful and easy to screw up, but so is every tool worth using.
EMDR aims to break the emotional links between emotion and memory. If it is done wrong it can cause damage and result in misplaced emotion and much more.
How much Theory of Mind have you read? It is fairly big field.
One branch of Theory of the Mind is that your mind is made up of a number of neural systems that hand off to each other as environment and demand requires.
For example, you are driving a car. You are daydreaming about a funny meme video that you watched. When you next start paying attention you have driven home.
This theory of the mind proposes that your brain has a set of neurons that are associated with driving and they take over when you are driving. Without direction (a correct hand-off and oversight) they just do what they are good at; You drive home.
Hypnosis is deep relaxation where no one agent is in charge. All agents are listening. If the subject is relaxed enough and comfortable enough then they will accept verbal direction as though it were a hand off and / or oversight from another agent. They trust the external voice as though it were an internal voice.
That said, the agents can still disagree. That is why you can't hypnotize someone to kill their mother, unless they were already going to do that. The hypnosis can be discarded by the other agents as wrong or useless.
Cognitive Behavioral Therapy also uses agent theory, but it uses the subject's voice to give direction to the other agents and to shape the way handovers and / or oversight happen all the time.
Hypnosis happens only while sitting in the chair under direction of the hypnotist. CBT happens as long as the subject continues to direct their thinking and retrain their neural networks. They are literally reprioritizing the connections between neurons by consistent retraining.
EMDR, Hypnosis and CBT are all tools a therapist can use. They should use the right tool for the job.
But seriously, no session of hypnosis is going to change the fundamental identity of a subject. You can't stop a person from being a hard core feminist anymore than you can turn them into a frothing fascist. There are limits and it requires cooperation. The more alien and extreme the script, the more the other agents of the mind will reject it.
He laments all the time that he's stockpiling cash from his new redpill YT & Tiktok fame to make up for the fact that he's 40ish and was robbed of decades of earning potential by life, DEI and COVID.
He also dated a fan last year and blamed the breakup on the fact that his social media influencer wealth wasn't accumulating fast enough to keep a rich 20-something Zoomer girl around.
I'm surprised his X is as radical and based as it is. Because his deal with the devil and lust for wealth will inevitably clash with his quest for truth and free expression.
But he's only been famous for about 18 months or so.
And has implied that his current revenue more-or-less has made up for 15-20 years of poverty-level gig work.
He has a degree in Psychology and talks about meeting girls driving for Uber in the past.
He was couchsurfing/doing the vanlife thing for many months last year after giving up his apartment lease. He would sometimes post that he was paying 1k+ a week for AirBnBs.
10 years ago. 1 million views translated to about +1.5k usd. Of course views as a metric is very generalized. It depends on ad blocks or if people skip ads or click on ads. But no way to tell, so just going by view count. Source? Myself. Was making 2k a month til youtube got all gay and went after videos that show bikini outfits in video games...
YT is a rough career choice. I look at Kneon and Geeky Sparkles from Clownfish TV. They work their ass off.
Kneon is a very talented comic artist and Geeky runs a whole news website, writing articles and managing a stable of other writers. They are only just doing okay for the work they put in. Despite being one of the best, most consistent news aggregators for pop culture and having regular scoops on the Disney Parks, they still have side hustles to pay the rent.
If they had put that much effort into (say) a plumbing business, they would be millionaires.
Yeah. At my height, i did a video ever 3 days. But eventually averaged 1 every 7 to 9 days. Mostly higher quality stuff. Not say what since i dont want to dox myself
Most recent figure I have heard is each view is worth about a penny. And then you have sponsors for videos, who pay a fixed amount per video based on your subscribers.
He's making the classic mistake of trying to reason with women. They won't process anything he posted even if they see it because of the woman brain issue he lays out at the beginning of the post.
I think he is on to something with the notion that women need to basically restrict their considerations to those who know and care for them in their own lives. Plugging women into the internet has been disastrous for society.
Women are built for small communities. Actually, everyone is built for small communities, but women are particularly unable to handle a globally connected society.
Women have a drive to allocate resources according to need.
That works great for babies and your elderly uncle Steve. It doesn't scale past extended family. It isn't at all a good approach for creating wealth to distribute.
In this modern age women have no incentive to be self aware. I would argue that they teeter on the edge of sapience.
You're right. It is rare to find a woman who understands her own nature. Some of the more conservative ones who come from intact families with good fathers are more likely to be like this.
Ultimately, even men aren't the masters of their own house, though. Self knowledge is very hard.
You cannot reason with that which has no reasoning skills. Women throughout history and especially in recent time have shown that of left to their own devices and allowed to do things they fail spectacularly. I 100% agree on your assessment to allow women on the internet. Not only has it made it worse for us, it has ruined the gender dynamic entirely between us.
I think people have been pointing out(or replies have been getting through to him) that his focus on X/Twitter than 'men are at fault' is making him point out 'both sides'.
This is one of the few points of contention I have with Hoe_Math. I think his stuff is great, and makes alot of great points, but then he start channeling Boomer energy and acts as if he's getting up on a cross when he points out that women don't find anime and video games attractive, stop focusing on them.
My reply to that is, well, start making women more interesting that anime and video games, then.
It would've been helpful to better understand female delusion re: male attractiveness, the Not People Zone, dark triad traits, hypergamy, the incapacity for women to actually love men beyond transactional relationships, women not giving a shit about men being kind, etc.
That being said, it was probably healthier in my youth to not have as much disdain for women as I do presently.
The final message is a good one and I think something more right- wing men should be repeating. Women are natural cultists and the only way to stop the social programming is with exactly that kind of emotinal reset. Women will never be rational, logical beings so this is the only way forward.
Thought this was worth posting since hoe math is probably the best social commentary on sex relations right now.
When I think about the women I know who are real people, not programmed drones, and who actually know how to use their brain, this is the most salient difference I can find. You recognize that someone can really, truthfully love you and that love is more important than ideology.
It's a bit off tho. Modern feminists think the state is their god
He could elaborate on that a little more, but feminists don't consider the state patriarchal since it's genderless or even increasingly female-gendered to them. Before 2025 there was some truth to that.
So they live in a weird pastiche of reality where they suck on the state's teat, yet sort of consider themselves part of the state as well and continue groping in the dark for someone to tell them "no."
Just the parts of the state they don't like are patriarchal.
Also, the state has taken over many functions of men, like welfare and child care. They don't need a man because they have the state. Which is funded by stealing, I mean taxing, men predominantly.
More like they don't think they need a man. They make themselves miserable with feminism and the lack they caused in their own lives drives them crazy.
Well yeah because they replaced men with the state. That's not him being wrong thats just him not addressing it
He does include that in some of his other doodle YT content.
Not just their god, but their sit-in father.
Every time something doesn't go their way, they always want to use legislation to force the issue to "protect" them.
Someone called you a nigger online? Pass a law
Force businesses to stock tampons? Pass a law.
Not enough genders? Pass a law.
Can't pay for your school tuitions? Pass a law.
Catering to female mentality in government is extremely destructive. It results in a government that can't get out of its own fucking way because it's bogged down by all the faggotry that is needed to support their worldview. Who are the ones being simps for illegal aliens? The women. And the only women who are simps for them are the cunts that live in comfy rich towns where they'll never experience the consequences of their retarded actions.
The more you simp for women, the bigger the state grows.
Jeezus, this guy is sharp asf. No sugar coating not nihilism, just straight up reality like no other. Love that guy
hoe_math definitely has some duality.
He's a lot more censored on YT which is his moneymaker. Though his based takes occasionally bleed through.
He's a ranting madman on X with constant walls of text.
X unfortunately also reveals some of his less positive qualities. He whines constantly about being tired all the time, searches for relief with the latest New Age naturopathic BS, whines about being too busy to actually work and produce YT content despite being a single, middle-aged guy living alone with no dependents and doing it FT, being indecisive and crowdsourcing things like where to live for months, etc.
Hey, as the saying goes "never meet your heroes" sort of deal. I love him for what he does best. The rest is him on bs and it's him being foolish for sure. Just glad that what he focuses on to make money with, is something we can all walk away from better equipped a tiny bit
shrug So he's like most men his age now. I'm not gonna shame him for wanting to check out of how shitty society is.
And what he does isn't actually harmful compared to when a feminist defends their actions. Dude's just trying to stay away from the ills of society and at least he's not a degenerate fuck like Andrew Tate is.
Don't disagree.
I still like him, enjoy his content, particularly his edgy Twitter.
I just find him whiny wrt the little bit that he talks about his personal life.
His whole persona is an over-the-hill Chad-lite that used to smash consistently but now is past his prime, not as buff, way more blackpilled, etc. But he's put on a pedestal by younger and lesser SMV men who respect his current status and his cred from previously being a manwhore.
He's acquired that social media influencer disease where they made it, are making banking, went viral, etc. But struggle to put out consistent content while perpetually complaining to their brokeass audience how hard their fake YT job is.
He also used to do one-on-one virtual life coaching sessions. But from recent comments, this too fell by the wayside over the last year because this based guru doesn't actually follow through with most of what he says.
Hypnosis doesn't work like that. If you want we can discuss why. It is one of the tools in the box available, but it isn't particularly useful in this case because it is passive. A better approach would be to use EMDR to desensitize the feminist to their traumatic baggage, then have them participate in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy to deliberately retrain their thinking. CBT is hard work.
I agree that deprogramming is required. Most feminists have taken on "feminism" as part of their core identity. It will take intensive, skilled therapy to change their mind, and they will have to work their ass off for years.
Alternatives include tossing them into a survival situation and letting the feminist almost starve to death or something similarly high stress. Reality is non-negotiable to someone on the run from Congolese death squads or Boko Haram rapists or whatever. After that for a year or two they can reconsider their place in the world and reassess who they are; Probably with therapy.
There's a better version of EMDR called ART (what's with these gay acronyms) - it doesn't fuck people's brains up as quickly but I gotta admit, when I read about it it's the most weird ass out-there form of therapy I've ever seen.
Why would a skilled therapist take less care with EMDR than with hypnosis? I agree that it is powerful and easy to screw up, but so is every tool worth using.
EMDR aims to break the emotional links between emotion and memory. If it is done wrong it can cause damage and result in misplaced emotion and much more.
How much Theory of Mind have you read? It is fairly big field.
One branch of Theory of the Mind is that your mind is made up of a number of neural systems that hand off to each other as environment and demand requires.
For example, you are driving a car. You are daydreaming about a funny meme video that you watched. When you next start paying attention you have driven home.
This theory of the mind proposes that your brain has a set of neurons that are associated with driving and they take over when you are driving. Without direction (a correct hand-off and oversight) they just do what they are good at; You drive home.
Hypnosis is deep relaxation where no one agent is in charge. All agents are listening. If the subject is relaxed enough and comfortable enough then they will accept verbal direction as though it were a hand off and / or oversight from another agent. They trust the external voice as though it were an internal voice.
That said, the agents can still disagree. That is why you can't hypnotize someone to kill their mother, unless they were already going to do that. The hypnosis can be discarded by the other agents as wrong or useless.
Cognitive Behavioral Therapy also uses agent theory, but it uses the subject's voice to give direction to the other agents and to shape the way handovers and / or oversight happen all the time.
Hypnosis happens only while sitting in the chair under direction of the hypnotist. CBT happens as long as the subject continues to direct their thinking and retrain their neural networks. They are literally reprioritizing the connections between neurons by consistent retraining.
EMDR, Hypnosis and CBT are all tools a therapist can use. They should use the right tool for the job.
But seriously, no session of hypnosis is going to change the fundamental identity of a subject. You can't stop a person from being a hard core feminist anymore than you can turn them into a frothing fascist. There are limits and it requires cooperation. The more alien and extreme the script, the more the other agents of the mind will reject it.
hoe_math is very money focused.
He laments all the time that he's stockpiling cash from his new redpill YT & Tiktok fame to make up for the fact that he's 40ish and was robbed of decades of earning potential by life, DEI and COVID.
He also dated a fan last year and blamed the breakup on the fact that his social media influencer wealth wasn't accumulating fast enough to keep a rich 20-something Zoomer girl around.
I'm surprised his X is as radical and based as it is. Because his deal with the devil and lust for wealth will inevitably clash with his quest for truth and free expression.
How much does a yt channel like his earn?
I've never heard him discuss specifics.
But he's only been famous for about 18 months or so.
And has implied that his current revenue more-or-less has made up for 15-20 years of poverty-level gig work.
He has a degree in Psychology and talks about meeting girls driving for Uber in the past.
He was couchsurfing/doing the vanlife thing for many months last year after giving up his apartment lease. He would sometimes post that he was paying 1k+ a week for AirBnBs.
10 years ago. 1 million views translated to about +1.5k usd. Of course views as a metric is very generalized. It depends on ad blocks or if people skip ads or click on ads. But no way to tell, so just going by view count. Source? Myself. Was making 2k a month til youtube got all gay and went after videos that show bikini outfits in video games...
YT is a rough career choice. I look at Kneon and Geeky Sparkles from Clownfish TV. They work their ass off.
Kneon is a very talented comic artist and Geeky runs a whole news website, writing articles and managing a stable of other writers. They are only just doing okay for the work they put in. Despite being one of the best, most consistent news aggregators for pop culture and having regular scoops on the Disney Parks, they still have side hustles to pay the rent.
If they had put that much effort into (say) a plumbing business, they would be millionaires.
Yeah. At my height, i did a video ever 3 days. But eventually averaged 1 every 7 to 9 days. Mostly higher quality stuff. Not say what since i dont want to dox myself
Well, kudos to you for having a go. Most people don't even try.
Few, high quality videos is not favored by the algorithm. Which sucks dick, but no one asked me.
Most recent figure I have heard is each view is worth about a penny. And then you have sponsors for videos, who pay a fixed amount per video based on your subscribers.
He's making the classic mistake of trying to reason with women. They won't process anything he posted even if they see it because of the woman brain issue he lays out at the beginning of the post.
I think he is on to something with the notion that women need to basically restrict their considerations to those who know and care for them in their own lives. Plugging women into the internet has been disastrous for society.
Women are built for small communities. Actually, everyone is built for small communities, but women are particularly unable to handle a globally connected society.
Women have a drive to allocate resources according to need.
That works great for babies and your elderly uncle Steve. It doesn't scale past extended family. It isn't at all a good approach for creating wealth to distribute.
In this modern age women have no incentive to be self aware. I would argue that they teeter on the edge of sapience.
You're right. It is rare to find a woman who understands her own nature. Some of the more conservative ones who come from intact families with good fathers are more likely to be like this.
Ultimately, even men aren't the masters of their own house, though. Self knowledge is very hard.
You cannot reason with that which has no reasoning skills. Women throughout history and especially in recent time have shown that of left to their own devices and allowed to do things they fail spectacularly. I 100% agree on your assessment to allow women on the internet. Not only has it made it worse for us, it has ruined the gender dynamic entirely between us.
I've seen him acknowledge his YT audience is something like 90/10 male.
I suspect his X is similarly skewed considering he's even more radical in his political opinions in text form.
I think people have been pointing out(or replies have been getting through to him) that his focus on X/Twitter than 'men are at fault' is making him point out 'both sides'.
This is one of the few points of contention I have with Hoe_Math. I think his stuff is great, and makes alot of great points, but then he start channeling Boomer energy and acts as if he's getting up on a cross when he points out that women don't find anime and video games attractive, stop focusing on them.
My reply to that is, well, start making women more interesting that anime and video games, then.
Amen to that. Instead they're trying to make anime and video games worse than women. It isn't there yet, but damn if they aren't trying.
Get a passport, bro.
I wish Hoe Math videos were around when I was 13. Things would have been a lot less mysterious.
It's a double-edged sword.
It would've been helpful to better understand female delusion re: male attractiveness, the Not People Zone, dark triad traits, hypergamy, the incapacity for women to actually love men beyond transactional relationships, women not giving a shit about men being kind, etc.
That being said, it was probably healthier in my youth to not have as much disdain for women as I do presently.
The final message is a good one and I think something more right- wing men should be repeating. Women are natural cultists and the only way to stop the social programming is with exactly that kind of emotinal reset. Women will never be rational, logical beings so this is the only way forward.
The ancient Greeks were right about women.