"Criminalized persons" is another way to paint someone as a victim/not at fault for being in prison. They were "criminalized" by the system, not because of anything they did. It's not his fault he's in prison, it's because the evil system that criminalizes people did it to him! He's a blameless victim, and therefore morally in the right. All of woke newspeak is like this, emphasizing the dynamic of oppressed victims and evil oppressors to absolve the oppressed of blame or responsibility for their predicament.
I wonder, how many of these criminals, are actual criminals. Like people who have killed/raped/robbed.
Versus just stupid shit like, someone getting caught with weed or mushrooms three times. Maybe some homeless people for repeatedly loitering.
Its one thing to have these guys stamping license plates. Its a entirely different story putting them out there in the middle of fires with zero training in the matter. Cruel and unusual is the first thing that comes to my mind.
Where are all the queers and bi's at? I know LA is loaded with them, I seen the parades, where are all these proud patriots at to dig trenches and fire the hoses? LOL
Another good example is “unhoused person”. The implication is that something was done to them - that they are a victim - and that you have a responsibility to house them.
Leftism truly is the political and cultural manifestation of the very worst parts of the human condition.
As the dust settled on Donald Trump’s election victory, what businesses did investors think would benefit most from his return to the presidency? Tesla? Big oil? Rustbelt manufacturers? No: two firms that lock people up. Shares in GEO Group and Core Civic, which own and run prisons, soared by two-thirds in the three days after the election, beating the rest of America’s 1,500 most valuable firms.
Prison labor has been around for a while. It come from a loophole in the 13th Amendment:
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
The Clintons used to do this back when Bull was governor of Arkansas.
It has. But Californians hate it. But they benefit from it. So there's your hypocrisy.
I think people working any job that you'd put a firefighter in is fine. They should be safe but not exempt from the hard work which can be done away from the fire front.
Isn't working in prison optional unless you have hard labor on your sentence (do they even do that anymore?). Prisoners choose to do it for credit towards early release and it looks good to parole boards. My state also has prisoners work wildfires, and they're all ones that are near the end of their sentences doing it as volunteers.
It would be counterproductive to force prisoners to work anyway because they would just commit sabotage.
Seems crazy to me they would do it without any kinda of training. Maybe they get a 4 hour crash course or something at the start haha. But yea what your saying makes sense.
While yes 'haha' they deserve it for being criminals, the labor usage of prisoners is more than just a gay Leftist talking point.
More than a lot of prisons and local judges have been caught in setups of over charging and imprisoning people purely for labor usage. With huge kickbacks going to said judge and legal system from the massive profits some of them are making off said labor.
So while its good to both give the inmates something to do and a new skill for when they get out, it crosses into another line when you have an entire system being built to incentivize sending people to jail just to force them to work an industry for pennies. Which is why it gets compared to slave labor.
Its little different than importing infinity Mexicans to work the fields, the tax payer ends up covering their cost of living while the pathetic wages make up a huge profit margin to be pocketed by those in charge.
Most fire departments won't hire them after they get out, even if they have experience. The liability of some guy with a history of sticky fingers being put into people's homes isn't something any department wants. Only shitlib areas are that dumb.
Some states do it offence by offence. In others, a DUI is enough to ban you from the profession.
I was thinking more the guys who worked in various industrial type labor. I know my dad spent a while welding when he was in prison, though he already had that profession prior which meant he helped train the other inmates.
Job sites like that are already half criminal of some kind anyway, so the discrimination wouldn't be as strict.
according to a california government website, spends spends over 130 grand per inmate per year. that includes housing, food, clothing, medical bills, whatever skills training they offer inmates, security, facility maintenance, etc.
according to the thread, inmates claim they get about $180 per month. we're going to ignore "private" firefighters, because that's a whole other ball of wax.
Multiply that by 12 months in a year, and you get about $2,160 per year per inmate. according to indeed.com, the average starting salary for a firefighter is about 55 grand.
So, it costs the state of california, conservatively, $133,000 per inmate per year, and the inmates are doing work that starts at about $55,000 a year. obviously these numbers are a guestimate and median respectively, but we can get an idea of what we're looking at.
$133,000 - $55,000 = $78,000 plus that previously mentioned $2,160 most likely added to their commissary account.
I hate to defend california, but in this case, i'd say the prisoners are getting off light, and off-setting the cost of the state taking care of them during their incarceration, if only partially. As long as they're being released when they're supposed to be, unlike under that evil bitch kamala, I don't really see the problem.
As long as they're being released when they're supposed to be
That's a huge part of the problem that gets buried in this discussion about "they need to offset their cost!"
Why would any company give up nearly free labor that cannot quit and can be literally punished physically for complaining?
Kamala alone showed how that perverse incentive is easily and constantly exploited, and she is a complete retard.
The only way its not a problem is if you trust the entire fucking legal system to be paragons of morality and restraint. Which if you are that gullible after the last few years, then you are beyond hope. And if you agree you can't do so, that's why you don't open doors like this without considerable boundaries in place.
you raise a fair point. governments do like to abuse power. I don't have a good answer to this question, other than demanding accountability and transparency, and even those are fairly weak stopgaps...
I don't have great answers either, because as you and many pointed out it can have a hugely positive effect. But that applies to most government programs too, and we rightfully criticize those for the abuses possible rather than the benefits.
This whole situation just feels like them knowing "who would defend criminals?!" and then using that to keep us arguing like most do here in favor of it just because "lol just don't do crime bro."
Which isn't even an incorrect argument, but I've seen a good man put in jail for child support by a woman who had another man's baby but claimed him the father and he refused to pay. So the bar for being put in isn't high enough for that level of dismissal either.
They still haven't internalized that they decisively lost and we can just call them fags now instead of pointlessly trying to engage them in a nuanced intellectual debate.
"Criminalized persons" is another way to paint someone as a victim/not at fault for being in prison. They were "criminalized" by the system, not because of anything they did. It's not his fault he's in prison, it's because the evil system that criminalizes people did it to him! He's a blameless victim, and therefore morally in the right. All of woke newspeak is like this, emphasizing the dynamic of oppressed victims and evil oppressors to absolve the oppressed of blame or responsibility for their predicament.
"justice impacted individuals" is another term.
They didn't harm or victimize anyone, guy, they were just "impacted" by the white man's dumb system!
Came here to find / make this comment. It's more marxist language fuckery to try and center the marginalized to upend the system.
I wonder, how many of these criminals, are actual criminals. Like people who have killed/raped/robbed.
Versus just stupid shit like, someone getting caught with weed or mushrooms three times. Maybe some homeless people for repeatedly loitering.
Its one thing to have these guys stamping license plates. Its a entirely different story putting them out there in the middle of fires with zero training in the matter. Cruel and unusual is the first thing that comes to my mind.
Where are all the queers and bi's at? I know LA is loaded with them, I seen the parades, where are all these proud patriots at to dig trenches and fire the hoses? LOL
Another good example is “unhoused person”. The implication is that something was done to them - that they are a victim - and that you have a responsibility to house them.
Leftism truly is the political and cultural manifestation of the very worst parts of the human condition.
Have they tried not being criminals? 🤔
Instead of dindus, just dindon't.
Excellent
STOP BREAKING THE LAW, ASSHOLE
It costs tens of thousands a year from the taxpayer to keep one prisoner alive. Least they could do is work a fucking job
It also might teach them a skill they can use to not be criminals in the future.
Jk, they're largely incapable of learning, but some do.
The average inmate in California is 100k a year. Thats more than any firefighter is making.
Damn, is that why its so lucrative for policy makers to own shares in private prisons when they write the laws that put people in prison.
And here I was thinking that shit was immoral or something.
https://www.economist.com/business/2024/11/21/donald-trumps-victory-has-boosted-shares-in-private-prison-companies
Woot woot, are you ready for it boyz.
So did you set out in life to become the "muh corporations!" guy from South Park? Or did it just happen that way?
Well heck then we ought to just shoot anybody with a sentence longer than ten years, like the Founders intended.
That way they won't be oppressed by having to earn a tiny fraction of their keep.
Ever been in a prison, or interacted with prolific criminals?
I have. The vast majority of people doing time absolutely deserve to be.
How dare you call for the genocide of all these brown people. /s
I guess "justice-impacted people" didn't take off yet?
''Justice impacted'' is when a burglar gets impacted by several bullets and gets goodified as a result.
gooified would roll off the tongue better and is just as accurate, lol.
https://communities.win/c/Funny/p/19A1GyVjAE/12-gauge-hallow-point-/c
A better term, they turn a criminal into a holy man.
Is it "slave labor" if they volunteer to fight fires for a reduced sentence?
Prison labor has been around for a while. It come from a loophole in the 13th Amendment:
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
The Clintons used to do this back when Bull was governor of Arkansas.
It has. But Californians hate it. But they benefit from it. So there's your hypocrisy.
I think people working any job that you'd put a firefighter in is fine. They should be safe but not exempt from the hard work which can be done away from the fire front.
No they don't.
California Proposition 6, Remove Involuntary Servitude as Punishment for Crime Amendment (2024)
Californians voted 53.34% to 46.66% just last year that labor is acceptable as a form of punishment.
Alabama, Oregon, Tennessee, Vermont, Nebraska, Utah, and Colorado all cucked on it though.
They are criminalized peoples.
Their body, their choice - respect it!
Isn't working in prison optional unless you have hard labor on your sentence (do they even do that anymore?). Prisoners choose to do it for credit towards early release and it looks good to parole boards. My state also has prisoners work wildfires, and they're all ones that are near the end of their sentences doing it as volunteers.
It would be counterproductive to force prisoners to work anyway because they would just commit sabotage.
Seems crazy to me they would do it without any kinda of training. Maybe they get a 4 hour crash course or something at the start haha. But yea what your saying makes sense.
While yes 'haha' they deserve it for being criminals, the labor usage of prisoners is more than just a gay Leftist talking point.
More than a lot of prisons and local judges have been caught in setups of over charging and imprisoning people purely for labor usage. With huge kickbacks going to said judge and legal system from the massive profits some of them are making off said labor.
So while its good to both give the inmates something to do and a new skill for when they get out, it crosses into another line when you have an entire system being built to incentivize sending people to jail just to force them to work an industry for pennies. Which is why it gets compared to slave labor.
Its little different than importing infinity Mexicans to work the fields, the tax payer ends up covering their cost of living while the pathetic wages make up a huge profit margin to be pocketed by those in charge.
Most fire departments won't hire them after they get out, even if they have experience. The liability of some guy with a history of sticky fingers being put into people's homes isn't something any department wants. Only shitlib areas are that dumb.
Some states do it offence by offence. In others, a DUI is enough to ban you from the profession.
I was thinking more the guys who worked in various industrial type labor. I know my dad spent a while welding when he was in prison, though he already had that profession prior which meant he helped train the other inmates.
Job sites like that are already half criminal of some kind anyway, so the discrimination wouldn't be as strict.
according to a california government website, spends spends over 130 grand per inmate per year. that includes housing, food, clothing, medical bills, whatever skills training they offer inmates, security, facility maintenance, etc.
according to the thread, inmates claim they get about $180 per month. we're going to ignore "private" firefighters, because that's a whole other ball of wax.
Multiply that by 12 months in a year, and you get about $2,160 per year per inmate. according to indeed.com, the average starting salary for a firefighter is about 55 grand.
So, it costs the state of california, conservatively, $133,000 per inmate per year, and the inmates are doing work that starts at about $55,000 a year. obviously these numbers are a guestimate and median respectively, but we can get an idea of what we're looking at.
$133,000 - $55,000 = $78,000 plus that previously mentioned $2,160 most likely added to their commissary account.
I hate to defend california, but in this case, i'd say the prisoners are getting off light, and off-setting the cost of the state taking care of them during their incarceration, if only partially. As long as they're being released when they're supposed to be, unlike under that evil bitch kamala, I don't really see the problem.
That's a huge part of the problem that gets buried in this discussion about "they need to offset their cost!"
Why would any company give up nearly free labor that cannot quit and can be literally punished physically for complaining?
Kamala alone showed how that perverse incentive is easily and constantly exploited, and she is a complete retard.
The only way its not a problem is if you trust the entire fucking legal system to be paragons of morality and restraint. Which if you are that gullible after the last few years, then you are beyond hope. And if you agree you can't do so, that's why you don't open doors like this without considerable boundaries in place.
you raise a fair point. governments do like to abuse power. I don't have a good answer to this question, other than demanding accountability and transparency, and even those are fairly weak stopgaps...
I don't have great answers either, because as you and many pointed out it can have a hugely positive effect. But that applies to most government programs too, and we rightfully criticize those for the abuses possible rather than the benefits.
This whole situation just feels like them knowing "who would defend criminals?!" and then using that to keep us arguing like most do here in favor of it just because "lol just don't do crime bro."
Which isn't even an incorrect argument, but I've seen a good man put in jail for child support by a woman who had another man's baby but claimed him the father and he refused to pay. So the bar for being put in isn't high enough for that level of dismissal either.
True...
on the other hand, if life came with easy answers, it wouldn't be any fun, I guess...
Post the sentences and criminal records for these guys and we can judge the story fairly.
No visitation allowed seems kind of unusual. Perhaps there is a reason his daughters family is keeping her away from him?
That said, any profit from prison labor should go directly to the state or restitution. No middlemen lining their pockets by exploiting the system.
That’s means they think Trump is a justice impacted individual right?
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They still haven't internalized that they decisively lost and we can just call them fags now instead of pointlessly trying to engage them in a nuanced intellectual debate.