Electric Vehicles in Winter. Why don’t people learn
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About every 4-5 years we have winter weather where I live that leaves hundreds of people stranded on the highway overnight. A number of them run out of gas because they keep their car running so they have heat.
Right now, a truck can distribute gas cans and get everyone moving the next morning pretty quickly, but I'm waiting for there to be a bunch of electric cars stuck with no way to get them moving. As a bonus, they'll be blocking the gas powered cars, preventing them from leaving too.
It will take people dying before the lesson is learned. Everything about electric vehicles is retarded.
Oh no, even when people die, no lessons will be learned. They'll just say that the 1000 deaths are nothing compared with the million death worldwide due to traffic.
As for retardation, not quite everything. I'm pretty sure there are enough engineers here who can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that electrical engines are less complicated and more robust than combustion engines. I'd be most concerned about the fire hazard.
the concept of a good EV exists. A good alternative engine in general exists... in the hands of a competent engineer and competent company.
but
what we get is what is only allowed by governments and pushed by their business partner scammers. we're not allowed good, functional products
This seems to be an issue that encompasses far more than vehicles unfortunately...
Or products. We're not allowed functional cities, companies and countries either.
that's true too. but I'm just saying this for the context of the EV discussion
i was an early investor into a bunch of EV companies. but i've long since pulled out knowing what I know now. all the EVs being pushed out and rolled out for sale are scams
The full rush to EVs made no sense to me. I’ve always thought that hybrids make way more sense.
I'm convinced it's simply malicious. So much of the weird decisions being made in the world make a hell of a lot more sense if you just frame them as malicious intent.
As long as the bearings remain properly sealed, an electric motor will usually run happily for years and years. And if it fails, it's often a simple (though expensive) component to remove and replace.
The problem is entirely with the batteries. The chemistry necessary to contain that much power makes them unstable as shit.
You'd think, but they don't work it that way. There are Teslas on the road that are on their 3rd motor in less than 100k miles. Apparently they're built to be swapped out like modules, with the batteries being more robust. One guy is on his 14th motor and 4th battery, though he's the current record holder for sheer mileage on the car. It seems like it depends a lot on the type of driving you're doing.
While a combustion engine is more mechanically complex than an electric one, electric motors are a pain in the butt to fix without specialized equipment, especially if the windings get messed up. For all intents and purposes field repairs are way easier on a combustion engine, especially since most issues can be solved by replacing a part. The battery fire hazard is the biggest concern with large electric motors, I agree.
ICEs are also old tech and have few surprises, unlike EVs which are designed by tech bros with proprietary electronics out the ass.
I wouldn't call Chinese lathe engines glued into a weather proof casings specially designed. The problems start because of the integrated regenerative braking.
I worked at a country club when I was younger, and while the fleet of golf carts were electric, the utility carts were all gas powered.
The good thing about EVs in a blizzard is you can just dial the heat down so it'll last.
Like at 500 watts you're not going to die, 1000 watts of heat and seat heater and you'll be fine and it'll last a whole day or so.
Problem is EV drivers are entitled babies and will run it at full 7 kWh with the windows open and will need to get towed the next day.
Even if you turn cabin heat off and shiver in the cold, the EV still needs to heat its own battery to prevent the electrolyte solution inside from freezing.
The battery should be insulated and use a tiny amount of power to keep from freezing. Like how a water heater uses 50 watts to stay +70 F.
There's nothing inherent to even li-ion that requires much energy in winter to keep warm, it's just manufacturers squeezing efficiency like blood out of rock to get better official stats at standard temperature and pressure.
Same with retractable door handles. Oh they can claim 312 range instead of 310 whoop-de-shit.
But then you have the opposite problem in the summer, where you created an oven for the battery to cook to death under the sun. Worse case scenario, you trigger a fire with the trapped heat.
About the only good conditions for EVs to drive in are climate-controlled labs set at 68 degrees Fahrenheit.
To be frank, I don't think EVs are good tech, and they sure as hell aren't The Future™. But they're a solution in search of a government-made problem, and by God the government is going to solve it.
If it's insulated it's protected from ambient cold and heat, so no death under the sun.
They have to be able to dump ~25 kW of energy when fast charging anyway so they need bigass fans on the radiator.
The reason they don't insulate them is so they get a little less air over the radiator when driving and get slightly more aerodynamic like with the stupid door handles.
Why is turning the heat down in a blizzard a good thing again? Pay more for less!
Won’t you get condensation from breathing if you turn off cabin heating?
Have to wirelessly charge them all.
If EVs are so good, why does the government need law and policy to force people to buy them? Why not remove all the tax-payer funded incentives on EV (which is rich people welfare) and penalties on ICE (which is poor people tax)? We didn't have to legislate to stop people using horse and buggy did we? Did we legislate to stop people using kerosene lamps instead of light bulbs? Or fax machines? Or mechanical typewriters?
Because people don't want Elon remotely shutting off their car in one of his ketamine hangovers
Not kerosene lamps, but we did legislate away incandescent bulbs in favor of "energy efficient" lighting. At first they pushed CFLs that no one liked, now it's LEDs everywhere.
I liked CFLs. But mostly because I was a nerdy teenager that read a lot of books at the time, and appreciated being able to put a very bright, harsh light that was easy to read by in a 60 watt fixture beside my bed.
I never really liked CFLs even when they were new. The light quality, the warm-up, the flicker, the disposal...not a fan.
LEDs, on the other hand, I jumped in when everyone was experimenting with new and funky bulb designs. Now they're boring with everyone mimicking the traditional incandescent shape, though I appreciate having more color temps than just 2700k or 5000k.
Don't you get it? We need to ban clay tablets so that my uncle who farms papyrus can make more money!
That's about how stupid these taxes are, if it is great people will use it.
Some places legislated kerosene lamps away because they’re a fire hazard. Oh wait …
If you live somewhere that freezes and can't charge at home you probably shouldn't be buying an EV.
Even freezing is okay. I think it's areas that go subzero like Canuckistan.
I keep trying to explain to EV retards.
EV retards are focused on things like motor “efficiency” or “torque at the wheel” or “energy density” etc.
The utility of petroleum is none of these things. Although it stacks up perfectly fine to batteries.
The utility is long term storage, portability, energy on demand.
Emphasis on “ENERGY ON DEMAND” there is nothing more effective in the 1HP to 600 HP engine class more effective than fossil fuels. Nothing. It’s going to continue to be that way because “FUCKING PHYSICS YOU RETARDS”
Ho-Lee-shet
Every vehicle has a use case including the electrics.
Yeah. Self-driving share cars in big cities. Golf carts. Not commuter transport.
Sucks to suck!
Why no one should touch an EV anywhere but Commiefornia: any drastic weather changes destroy those batteries.
hybrids are a good idea. we need more hybrids.
I was pretty impressed with a Toyota Corolla hybrid I rented recently, minus the screen and hard to turn off safety gimmicks that do not work on snowy roads.
To my understanding the smaller battery has a significantly lower fire risk.
I know Toyota uses NiMH battery chemistry for their hybrids, which are additionally a lower fire risk than lithium batteries.
IF Metall is a trade union in Sweden. So this has nothing to do with winter? Nice fake headline I guess.
It's partially true, but IF Metall is not the ones at fault. All Tesla has to do is to play by the same rules as every other car manufacturer. It's that simple. But Tesla refuse, they don't wanna pay their workers so IF Metall closed down the factories, physically blocking the entrance, it's been going on for over a year now. Elon thinks he can win, but IF Metall has over 300,000 members, for them to pay the Tesla workers to not go to work is a piss in the ocean, even if it takes 500 years to resolve. This is what happens when unions actually represent the workers, and Elon is big mad because of it.
Elon is a retard for opening the supercharger network for everyone.
Dude literally had a fucking monopoly - You want reliable charging? Get a Tesla -if not get fucked.
He needs to go back on that shit..
The charging standards were forking into something Tesla had no influence over. It's much more favorable for Tesla now that others are adopting their standards.
The ports locations and charging speeds are all over the place. We are seeing retarded shit like Rivians and F-150 Lightings take two spots because of the location of their ports.
Or fucking peasants like Bolts and Leafs and other shit EVs camping 250kwh SCs when they can only like 40kwh max.
Already seen a couple videos of SC fights.
At least charge non Teslas like 2X or better 3X more ffs.